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Beating wives is sometimes erotic but always fun On Mon, 26 Mar 2018, 00:59 Zombiefly, <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 169 lines " So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is

> " So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is > literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives." > > No. no, it isn't doing that at all. You appear to have attached your own > assumptions onto what it means. > > Next you'll be telling me that computer games are responsible for mass > shootings in schools or some archaic shit. > > On 25 March 2018 at 17:56, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). >> >> >> I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling >> very fired up. >> >> >> You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. >> >> >> So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is >> literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. >> >> >> I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be >> normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being >> used >> >> >> I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. >> >> Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when >> we see it, I believe., >> >> >> love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM >> *To:* Zombiefly >> *Cc:* Juho Hietala; IDM List >> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast >> >> Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else >> they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a >> child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and >> eventually shut up. >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as >> pathetic as this particular email thread. >> Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. >> close yourself down immediately, nat hawks >> >> On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. >> >> >> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted >> to make sure this got through.) >> >> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain >> groups. >> >> >> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and >> open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's >> response. >> >> >> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be >> 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a >> person with this detestable name. >> >> >> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing >> violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide >> crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our >> power >> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >> >> >> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, >> unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to >> know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the >> problem. >> >> >> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a >> highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence >> against them and seen what it does to their lives. >> >> >> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >> >> >> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >> >> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >> >> >> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON >> BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues >> now regarding this >> >> >> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >> >> It's not OK. >> >> >> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled >> against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does >> not help. >> >> >> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion >> happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a >> female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. >> >> I just emailed this to his label... >> >> >> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE >> on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >> >> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >> >> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not >> funny. >> >> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE >> PROBLEM. >> >> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >> >> THANK YOU! Peace." >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ---------------------------------------- >> not sent from an iDevice >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen <http://22tape.com> >> > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > not sent from an iDevice > ---------------------------------------- >