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From:
Basma O
To:
nat hawks
Cc:
Jared Dunne , Zombiefly , Juho Hietala , IDM List
Date:
Sun, 25 Mar 2018 17:01:48 +0000
Subject:
Re: beatwife podcast
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Thank you nat! You are willing to discuss and reiterate, that's so cool. But again, what if beat, is just a beat in a rhythm? Why make that rhythm sad by hijacking its name? Well that's what I think anyway. Thank you for your stance!! It's noble, and I appreciate it a lot. but I believe we sometimes gotta be emotionally disattached. It's the only way we can change anything... Maybeat???? Big positive wave at ya On Sun, 25 Mar 2018, 18:56 nat hawks, <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 150 lines You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent).> You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). > > > I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling > very fired up. > > > You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. > > > So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is > literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. > > > I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be > normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being > used > > > I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. > > Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate when > we see it, I believe., > > > love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM > *To:* Zombiefly > *Cc:* Juho Hietala; IDM List > *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast > > Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else > they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would a > child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and > eventually shut up. > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > > in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything as > pathetic as this particular email thread. > Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy shit. > close yourself down immediately, nat hawks > > On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: > > dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. > > > On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: > > (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted > to make sure this got through.) > > There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain > groups. > > > historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and > open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's > response. > > > No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be > 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a > person with this detestable name. > > > What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is normalizing > violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, world-wide > crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is now in our > power > to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. > > > 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, > unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to > know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the > problem. > > > maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a > highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence > against them and seen what it does to their lives. > > > VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. > > > 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. > > this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. > > > SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON BANDCAMP > FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues now > regarding this > > > The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. > > It's not OK. > > > and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled > against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does > not help. > > > imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the discussion > happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i was a > female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to @#$#$^#@. > > I just emailed this to his label... > > > "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE > on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. > > PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. > > Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not > funny. > > If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF THE > PROBLEM. > > please stop helping to normalize violence against women. > > THANK YOU! Peace." > > > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > not sent from an iDevice > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com> >