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Kevin Ryan @
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Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:15:17 -0000
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Re: [idm] Re: the stockhausen effect
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<<Are you really so cynical?>> A thousand people inhabit my body, and none of them can agree on John Cage. Still I think I can safely say I like the way Cage talks about music, but I can't stand his music. I've really vacillated about him over the years, and you happened to catch me in one of my militant anti-art moods. Just for shits, though, here's something I wrote about Cage to another mailing list a couple years ago: -aesthetic (cf. John Cage): realizing -that music isn't a perfect form that exists in an -ideal vacuum: music consists of not only the -intentional sounds on the score/recording but also -the random "nonintentional" sounds in the background, -created by the audience, or album, or atmosphere, -etc. Unlike most music theory, studying John Cage -has actively changed how I listen to recorded music. -I learned to appreciate the pops and buzzs of vinyl -and glass (in 78s) not as a defect of the medium but -as a warmth belonging to (not alienating) the music. -If I'm listening to ambient and a garbage truck drives -by, it's not a distraction, but an unexpected twist in -the music. If this sounds facile and cheesy that's -because it is, but I So my outlook seesaws like that, and I've learnt to spell "buzzes" correctly...but it's so hard to talk about these things. My point in my last email, which was a bit of a troll I suppose (perhaps I provoke only because I like to be provoked), was that Cage/Stocky/et al are not for most people. I would love to love all that crap ("crap" used here as a colloquialism for "stuff"), and I've tried, but I don't. In retrospect, I bought their music simply because I thought it would be cool to have in my collection (like the Gescom MD and dozens of other discs I never listen to). I'm sure lots of people on this list do the same thing all the time--there's probably thousands of copies of Confield wasting away in people's collections after one or two fruitless listens--and I'm merely trying to be candid about it. <<these people sound like Rush fucking Limbaugh, trashing the NorthEastern intellectual elites.>> There was a great ad for Rush F. Limbaugh on the side of a bus here recently which had a picture of him with an inscription to the effect of "Rush Moved to the Left!" and then a picture of a radio dial showing the new, lower AM frequency that he changed to. Pretty damned keen. But seriously, I think elite-bashing, however superficial (and ironic, in my case), is like masturbation: it's a healthy habit. <<any of its fans are particularly bothered by your uninterest. So you really don't need to slam them with the charge of "elitism.">> I'm not particularly bothered by their interest, either, but I apologize for letting a buzz-word like that slip out. Scratch the adjective "elite" in my last post and replace it with "special." But please-- I wasn't denigrating people who like musique concrete. I just question how many of them are sincere. Modern composers make great name-dropping fodder, and--I can only speak for myself--I've certainly used them for that end in my day, and I regret it. <<Actually, Steve Reich studied African drumming extensively, so in this case there is a pretty direct link.>> Touche. (I should've known--what avant gardist worth his or her salt hasn't paid some attention to indigenous drumming and ethnic music since the likes of Stravinsky and Bartok. [Although you slightly miss my point, but only quibbles there.] Now Bartok--there's a composer I've spent many many hours coming to grips with, and quite successfully, but with the electronic composers--I just can't find anything there to appreciate. The flaw must belong to me.) Sorry if I pushed any buttons, I'm just trying to keep the dialectic flowing here, and I can't get enough of hearing myself think out loud :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org