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Dave Segal
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Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:20:04 -0400
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Re: [idm] Kraftwerk
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Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> wrote:
quoted 24 lines On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Dave Segal wrote:>On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Dave Segal wrote: > >> I've said it before and I'll say it again: Kraftwerk's >> most innovative/interesting music happened before they >> released _Autobahn_. Seek out _Tone Float_ (rec. under the Organisation >> moniker and recently reissued on vinyl), _Kraftwerk_, _Kraftwerk 2_, >> _Ralf And Florian_. That's IDM--Innovative Dazzling Music. >> Nobody has really touched what they did on those albums >> (though Stereolab ripped off a track from _2_). > >well, Kraftwerk, Kraftwerk 2, and Rolf and Florian are definitely their >most interesting albums, but really--the most *innovative* stuff ?? I >think that historically there had already been plenty of jammy, >metronomic, psychedelic bands when Kw1 and Kw2 came out, and sure their >use of electronics on those records put them ahead of the curve ... but in >terms of defining the forms and aesthetics of techno/electro, Trans Europe >Express or Man Machine would have to rank as their most innovative (or at >least their most influential) work(s). >of course, historical importance does not a Great Album make (or does it?) >... I'll still listen to "Kraftwerk" before any of their more computerized >releases. There's something about the human element in those first three >(I don't really count Tone Float since it wasn't a true Kraftwerk >release), before they deliberately purged it from their later music, that >transcends everything else they ever did.
Agreed; as far as overall influence on music goes, _Autobahn_, _TEE_ and _MM_ had more of an impact, and I respect them for that. You also have a point about metronomic, psychedelic bands, but few sounded as distinctive and out-there as Kraftwerk did on those first 4 albums (why discount _Tone Float_? Ralf and Florian were at the helm for that album, too, and the sound is pretty similar to that of _K1_. For my money, _TF_ is 2nd only to _K1_ for sonic inventiveness). Dave Segal Managing Editor/Alternative Press Reviews/BPM/Reissue Redux Secret Ions on WCSB Thursdays 9-11PM EST [www.wcsb.org] np: Disorder- 2nd Gen (Position Chrome) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org