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The world according to Tamara Palmer:

quoted 3 lines You all know the kick-ass beat from Meat Beat Manifesto's "Helter

> >You all know the kick-ass beat from Meat Beat Manifesto's "Helter >Skelter". What I want to know is, is it their original beat?

I believe so - there was an interview in Creem (ugh) a while back that certainly implied it (the author had nothing nice to say about the Prodigy's "Charly" in that vein, although if I recall right Jack didn't really care).

quoted 2 lines Also, the last thing I got was Satyricon. What have I missed besides the

>Also, the last thing I got was Satyricon. What have I missed besides the >Peel Sessions? Anyone have a discography?

You've missed "Mindstream" (with remixes by Jack, Orbital, and the Aphex Twin), the "Circles" promo (which I mentioned earlier today), and "Peel Sessions." Jon Drukman keeps a discography but the version at the techno ftp/gopher site is an old one. C. -- Channel ** cspot/chris [cspot@netcom.com]

Chris sez:

quoted 4 lines You've missed "Mindstream" (with remixes by Jack, Orbital, and the Aphex

> You've missed "Mindstream" (with remixes by Jack, Orbital, and the Aphex > Twin), the "Circles" promo (which I mentioned earlier today), and "Peel > Sessions." Jon Drukman keeps a discography but the version at the techno > ftp/gopher site is an old one.

And Chris missed the 'Edge of No Control' single, with mixes by Consolidated and Orbital. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@phoenix.aps.muohio.edu

quoted 10 lines Chris sez:

> > Chris sez: > > > You've missed "Mindstream" (with remixes by Jack, Orbital, and the Aphex > > Twin), the "Circles" promo (which I mentioned earlier today), and "Peel > > Sessions." Jon Drukman keeps a discography but the version at the techno > > ftp/gopher site is an old one. > > And Chris missed the 'Edge of No Control' single, with mixes by > Consolidated and Orbital.

Thankfully, I didn't miss Mindstream remixes...I played the fuck out of the Orbital mix...! So Circles and Peel Sessions.....ok...thanks! Tamara

The world according to Andrew Bennett:

quoted 10 lines Chris sez:

> >Chris sez: > >> You've missed "Mindstream" (with remixes by Jack, Orbital, and the Aphex >> Twin), the "Circles" promo (which I mentioned earlier today), and "Peel >> Sessions." Jon Drukman keeps a discography but the version at the techno >> ftp/gopher site is an old one. > >And Chris missed the 'Edge of No Control' single, with mixes by >Consolidated and Orbital.

Chris didn't miss anything. Tamara asked for releases since 'Satyricon.' "Edge of No Control" preceded the album by several weeks. As if I would forget that "Circular Cosmic Spot" b-side. C. -- Channel ** cspot/chris [cspot@netcom.com]

On a related note, I was listening to Eric B. and Rakim's _Follow the Leader_ the other day (great record, and only 29 cents at Best Buy!) and I instantly recognized a beat sample MBM uses on one of the tracks from _Armed Audio Warfare_. I'll listen to it again, and try to pin it down. Now, the real question: Could Meat Beat Manifesto be the spiritual heir of Eric B. and Rakim? Seriously, Dave :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu:::::::: :: "The weak get crushed as the strong grow stronger..." :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::--The Jam::::::::::::::::::

quoted 7 lines On a related note, I was listening to Eric B. and Rakim's _Follow the Leader_

>On a related note, I was listening to Eric B. and Rakim's _Follow the Leader_ >the other day (great record, and only 29 cents at Best Buy!) and I instantly >recognized a beat sample MBM uses on one of the tracks from _Armed Audio >Warfare_. > >I'll listen to it again, and try to pin it down. Now, the real question: Could >Meat Beat Manifesto be the spiritual heir of Eric B. and Rakim?

Nah. I mean, look at "Hello Teenage America": - The rhythm track comes from Joy Division's "Incubation" flexi-disc - The rolicking piano bit comes from Really Bland's (oops, sorry, "Steely Dan") "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" Does this mean that Jack Dangers is the bastard offspring of Ian Curtis and Donald Fagen? I don't think so ... :-) Jack is an inspired sample-meister, that's for sure. And he can also smoke me under the table (not that that's hard, but it still impressed me (-: ) ... I have this sorta vague hazy memory of a San Diego Meat Beat show I saw once ... - Greg

Tamara Palmer sez:

quoted 10 lines You all know the kick-ass beat from Meat Beat Manifesto's "Helter

> > You all know the kick-ass beat from Meat Beat Manifesto's "Helter > Skelter". What I want to know is, is it their original beat? > > > > Also, the last thing I got was Satyricon. What have I missed besides the > Peel Sessions? Anyone have a discography? > >

I'm sure Jon will kick in too, but I own the these albums plus a few of their singles (helter skelter dogstar man radio babylon, etc) Armed Audio Warfare Storm The Studio [fairly similar, one was made from material from the other after a studio fire] Satyricon 991/2 Personally I love the first two. I'm sure there's a lot more. -H- -- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Howard Berkey howard@netcom.com Eat at C-Ko's ...........................................................................

the beat i have no idea exactly wher it was sampled from... or maybe im confusing it with the Radio Babylon samplee example, which was the 1-2 of the 1-2-3-4 repeated twice from the "Fool's Gold" (Staun Rausez) boit incidentally, regarding the prior post about the sample from Eric B. and Rakim (a satin) i recognize the beat from You Got the Fear sampled from a T LA ROCK song from 1985... personally, i believe pre-99% MBM deserves the apellation ACID HIP-HOP. anyone agree? i think this describes his loopy hard noisy hip-hop much too accurately. i find it sad he was ever called industrial. peace, DE ARTICLE POSEUR TRY... AKA KREIG

quoted 5 lines personally, i believe pre-99% MBM deserves the apellation ACID HIP-HOP.

> > personally, i believe pre-99% MBM deserves the apellation ACID HIP-HOP. > > anyone agree? >

it's true! anyone who doesn't have a copy of "storm the studio" is truly missing out on something beautiful... raw, happy, beautiful stuff... in my opinion, one of the most fully realized albums ever created...

The world according to William May:

quoted 4 lines it's true! anyone who doesn't have a copy of "storm the studio" is tru

> >it's true! anyone who doesn't have a copy of "storm the studio" is truly >missing out on something beautiful... raw, happy, beautiful stuff... in >my opinion, one of the most fully realized albums ever created...

It's good and all, but fully realized? It's one of the most unfocused, scattered albums I have. "Hey, Johnny, the masters are all burnt! What now?" C. -- Channel ** cspot/chris [cspot@netcom.com]

On Thu, 5 May 1994, Chris.Hilker wrote:

quoted 10 lines The world according to William May:

> The world according to William May: > > > >it's true! anyone who doesn't have a copy of "storm the studio" is truly > >missing out on something beautiful... raw, happy, beautiful stuff... in > >my opinion, one of the most fully realized albums ever created... > > It's good and all, but fully realized? It's one of the most unfocused, > scattered albums I have. "Hey, Johnny, the masters are all burnt! What > now?" >

yeah... what i think is so swell about it is the fact that it is so chaotic... it seems like the song titles are almost random... like someone put a bunch of pieces of songs in a box, shook it up and randomly pasted them back together again and then repeated this process many times, but still wound up with something totally perfect and beautiful... i dunno... i just like that album a whole lot... much more than i like armed audio warfare, which seems more "focused" in the traditional sense of the word... it's the only meat beat record that i haven't at any point been bored by [although i like their other stuff a whole lot too, generally..]

And thus cspot spoke unto the masses:

quoted 8 lines The world according to William May:

>The world according to William May: > >>It's true! Anyone who doesn't have a copy of "Storm The Studio" is truly >>missing out on something beautiful ... raw, happy, beautiful stuff ... in >>my opinion, one of the most fully realized albums ever created ... > >It's good and all, but fully realized? It's one of the most unfocused, >scattered albums I have. "Hey, Johnny, the masters are all burnt! What now?"

Uh, aren't you talking about "Armed Audio Warfare", Chris? That was the product of "Hey, the masters are all burnt!". And thus Kreig Zimmerman spoke unto the masses:

quoted 3 lines Personally, I believe pre-99% MBM deserves the appellation ACID HIP-HOP.

>Personally, I believe pre-99% MBM deserves the appellation ACID HIP-HOP. > >Anyone agree?

Nope. But thanks for playing! :-)

quoted 2 lines I think this describes his loopy hard noisy Hip-Hop much too accurately.

>I think this describes his loopy hard noisy Hip-Hop much too accurately. >I find it sad he was ever called Industrial.

Guess you've never heard "Kneel and Buzz" and "Kick That Man", then. (If Trent Reznor can make Metal music with keyboard tinkles and get called "Industrial", what do you label those 2 tracks as, then?) Proud owner of an original "Suck Hard", purchased when new. That and "99%" of all the other Meat Beat records ... - Greg

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damn if i didnt deletee the message i meant to reply to... anyway, Greg: no, Chris is right. Storm the Studio WAS the album made after the masters for the ORIGINAL Armed Audio Warfare became charcoal briquettes. And yes, i have heard Kneel and Buzz and Kick that Man, and love them. I guess my problem is not with their being called industrial per se, but because industrial degenerated into such an angry man rahrrahr movement, which meant at the MBM/Orbital/ Ultramarinr concert(s) in New York, you saw that at the November show where MBM was missing, the crowd was an alternative/raver mix... and then at the December show, when MBM had healed their visa problems, the crows was suddenly dominated by black-leather-jacketed long haired NINnies who proceeded to mosh once "Helter Skelter" started playing. ugggh... point being, because thes Young Angry Men had heard MBM was industrial, they were ready to react to them just like Reznor's sub-metal slag. any flames, et al. direct to me not the list please... Kreig

quoted 2 lines No, Chris is right. Storm the Studio WAS the album made after the masters for

>No, Chris is right. Storm the Studio WAS the album made after the masters for >the ORIGINAL Armed Audio Warfare became charcoal briquettes.

Well, since "right" is subjective I won't press the issue, but ... I think you missed my point. The point was if someone says that a Meat Beat album is "unfocused" and refers to "Hey, the masters are all burnt!", then it would make more sense if they meant "Armed Audio Warfare", since that album is by definition a more patchwork affair given that the original masters were toast and it had to be put together in bits and pieces and with replacement bits, etc. On the other hand, "Storm The Studio" has only what, 4 "tracks" total (in essence)? I found that it flowed *incredibly* well, and "unfocused" is about the last thing I would ever think of when describing that album ...

quoted 2 lines Point being, because these Young Angry Men had heard MBM was Industrial, they

>Point being, because these Young Angry Men had heard MBM was Industrial, they >were ready to react to them just like Reznor's sub-metal slag.

Ah, so when you said "I find it sad he was ever called Industrial" in reality you weren't really referring to them (let's remember, Meat Beat is a "them"), but to their audience. Subtle difference. These things don't bother me as much because in the end, "Words is words, music is music" ((tm) D. R. Goettel 1993). As long as I still like the band, I could care less what the audience looks like or what silly labels it gets branded with ... (Heh hehheh, he said "band" ... heh hehheh hehhehheh heh) - Greg

sorry i forget the track titles, but the rhythm on track two on armed audio warfare and track one (if i remeber correctly) of 99% i recently found on an old coldcut single (something about phones in the title)... is that where it originally comes from? i liked it a lot back then... another big storm the studio fan... p.

oh greg, oh greg, your attempt at labelling my FACT of Storm the Studio being produced after the original AAW went up in flames as "subjective" misses your pretentious "Suck Hard" ass's point: STORM THE STUDIO was the album created RIGHT AFTER the AAW which no one will ever know what sounded like except Jack and Johnny i dont care about your "new" AAW sounding unfocused, mai pien sur as they say south of the UK: it was a collection of previously released singles, such as off of Suck Hard. BTW i own the original I Got the Fear off Swatbox, and I dont boast on pedigree-status. anyway, point being: say what you like, run verbal circles, STS was the album produced RIGHT AFTER the old AAW became charcoal. adieu, DE ARTICLE POSEUR

cspot:

quoted 3 lines It's good and all, but fully realized? It's one of the most unfocused,

>>>>It's good and all, but fully realized? It's one of the most unfocused, >>>>scattered albums I have. "Hey, Johnny, the masters are all burnt! What >>>>now?"

Kreig:

quoted 2 lines No, Chris is right. Storm the Studio WAS the album made after the masters

>>>No, Chris is right. Storm the Studio WAS the album made after the masters >>>for the ORIGINAL Armed Audio Warfare became charcoal briquettes.

Me:

quoted 1 line Well, since "right" is subjective I won't press the issue, but ...

>>Well, since "right" is subjective I won't press the issue, but ...

Kreig:

quoted 3 lines Your attempt at labelling my FACT of "Storm the Studio" being produced after

>Your attempt at labelling my FACT of "Storm the Studio" being produced after >the original AAW went up in flames as "subjective" misses your pretentious >"Suck Hard" ass's point:

Dude, take a chill pill. Like that one labelled "Thorazine" ... We're crossing wires here. When you said "Chris is right", I assumed that you were referring to Chris' *subjective* evaluation as "one of the most unfocused, scattered albums I have". It is now clear that you were referring to what you said *after* "No, Chris is right"; I don't have any contention with that.

quoted 2 lines STORM THE STUDIO was the album created RIGHT AFTER the AAW which no one will

>STORM THE STUDIO was the album created RIGHT AFTER the AAW which no one will >ever know what sounded like, except Jack and Johnny.

Yes, I can read the cover of my "Armed Audio Warfare" too :-)

quoted 3 lines I don't care about your "new" AAW sounding unfocused, mai pien sur - as the

>I don't care about your "new" AAW sounding unfocused, mai pien sur - as they >say south of the UK: it was a collection of previously released singles, such >as off of "Suck Hard".

And it also had UNreleased material that was recorded *after* the AAW masters became flambe' and *before* "Storm The Studio" (original "Reanimator", etc.). "mai pien sur"? Sounds like something they say south of the DMZ :-)

quoted 2 lines BTW I own the original I Got the Fear off Sweatbox, and I don't boast on

>BTW I own the original I Got the Fear off Sweatbox, and I don't boast on >pedigree-status.

Uh, dude - I said "Proud owner", as in "I'm proud to be a big-time original MBM fan". Not as in "I want to brag about owning `Suck Hard' nyeah nyeah nyeah". Oh, and I have an original "I Got The Fear" too. Nyeah nyeah nyeah :-) :-)

quoted 2 lines Anyway, point being: say what you like, run verbal circles, STS was the album

>Anyway, point being: say what you like, run verbal circles, STS was the album >produced RIGHT AFTER the old AAW became charcoal.

No argument there. End of story? - Greg

oh greg, oh greg, your attempt at labelling my FACT of Storm the Studio being produced after the original AAW went up in flames as "subjective" misses your pretentious "Suck Hard" ass's point: STORM THE STUDIO was the album created RIGHT AFTER the AAW which no one will ever know what sounded like except Jack and Johnny i dont care about your "new" AAW sounding unfocused, mai pien sur as they say south of the UK: it was a collection of previously released singles, such as off of Suck Hard. BTW i own the original I Got the Fear off Swatbox, and I dont boast on pedigree-status. anyway, point being: say what you like, run verbal circles, STS was the album produced RIGHT AFTER the old AAW became charcoal. adieu, DE ARTICLE POSEUR ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Send this to the IDM list, and not me. Thank you. 8080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808 0 Paul Rafanello Internet: 808STATE@DELPHI.COM 0 8080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808