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Re: Guitars

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1994-04-27 08:48guitars
1994-04-27 18:46Jon Drukman None
├─ 1994-04-27 18:20- Greg Earle Guitars
│ └─ 1994-04-27 21:35Dave Manning Re: Guitars
│ └─ 1994-04-28 14:01Kent Williams Re: Guitars
├─ 1994-04-27 18:38Dave Walker Re: None
└─ 1994-04-27 21:55Matthew Corwine Re: None
1994-04-27 19:52fEEd Re: Guitars
└─ 1994-04-27 20:05flu'id (floo'-) Re: Wired
1994-04-29 15:32Re: Guitars
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1994-04-27 08:48WILLIACH@ibm3090.computer-centre.birmingham.ac.ukAdding to the guitar/ musician/ technician debate - didn't Underworld use a guitar on "Dub
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Adding to the guitar/ musician/ technician debate - didn't Underworld use a guitar on "Dubnobass..."? I'm sure there's a note in the credits that reads "guitars by Gibson" (I don't have it in front of me) Darren...still out there? Ade :)
1994-04-27 18:46Jon DrukmanNone This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous. IDM is not some sacred formula
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None This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous. IDM is not some sacred formula like Christianity. Guitars are not heretical. If you doubt, trip back in time to 1972 (or thereabouts... uncle jonnie's brain isn't what it once was) and slap on Fripp & Eno's "No Pussyfooting." More experimental, intelligent and out there than a truckful of Aphex Twerps. And guess what... most of it was done with guitars. To answer another's posting, yes, Underworld use guitars. And good for them; I love it! Listen to the Underworld remix of "Lush" by Orbital. GUITARS! Shock! Horror! Best thing on the "Diversions" CD if you ask me. I think I'll dust off my guitar tonight. /axeman jon
1994-04-27 18:20- Greg Earle>This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous. IDM is not some sacred >formula li
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quoted 6 lines This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous. IDM is not some sacred>This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous. IDM is not some sacred >formula like Christianity. Guitars are not heretical. If you doubt, trip back >in time to 1972 (or thereabouts ... Uncle Jonnie's brain isn't what it once >was) and slap on Fripp & Eno's "No Pussyfooting." More experimental, >intelligent and out there than a truckful of Aphex Twerps. And guess what ... >most of it was done with guitars.
Somebody switched the de-caf out of the OpCode coffee pot, I see :-) Erm, "No Pussyfooting" ... 1973, mostly done on Revox A77 reel-to-reels. Experimental? Intelligent? Out there? Hell yes. More so than Aphex? Uh ... I don't think so. But comparing musics 20 years apart is hardly worth the bother. The contexts are too different. I like 'em both :-) As for guitars & Ambient, I could drop a mention of Justin Broadrick's (he of that Godflesh thingy) solo project Final; the album is called "One". Lots of guitars making strange mostly-ambient sounding thingies that don't sound anything like guitars. Then again, we're at the edge of the Universe here; one step further and we're into "Ambient Industrial" and that's best left for another place/list/newsgroup/whatever. ObWired: Tired Wired ----- ----- People who Good information bitch and sources, no matter moan about where they come "Wired" from or what gloss they're garbed in - Greg
1994-04-27 21:35Dave ManningOn Wed, 27 Apr 1994, - Greg Earle wrote: > As for guitars & Ambient, I could drop a mentio
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On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, - Greg Earle wrote:
quoted 6 lines As for guitars & Ambient, I could drop a mention of Justin Broadrick's (he of> As for guitars & Ambient, I could drop a mention of Justin Broadrick's (he of > that Godflesh thingy) solo project Final; the album is called "One". Lots of > guitars making strange mostly-ambient sounding thingies that don't sound > anything like guitars. Then again, we're at the edge of the Universe here; one > step further and we're into "Ambient Industrial" and that's best left for > another place/list/newsgroup/whatever.
Maybe not. For pure ambience/terror, "Pure II" from Godflesh's _Pure_ album is in the same vein as the final track on Skinny Puppy's _Last Rights_, the name of which escapes me. Maybe they're not danceable, but they're both approaching "ambientness", albeit from a different angle. BTW, just how many irons in the pot does Broadrick have? Painkiller, Ice, and one other one that's slipped my mind. Busy guy -- he does remixes too. I really like music today. Dave :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu:::::::: :: "The weak get crushed as the strong grow stronger..." :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::--The Jam::::::::::::::::::
1994-04-28 14:01Kent WilliamsIf you want to talk about guitars and ambience, you must mention Labradford. I posted a re
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If you want to talk about guitars and ambience, you must mention Labradford. I posted a review not long ago. One guy plays guitar, another a motley assortment of moogs. Most of their recording is done in a big echoey hallway in the basement of a university building, so they echo is natural rather than digital. They have some songs with words, and no beats, so it's not exactly IDM, but it is pretty ambient stuff.
1994-04-27 18:38Dave WalkerOn 27 Apr 1994, Jon Drukman wrote: : This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous
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On 27 Apr 1994, Jon Drukman wrote: : This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous. IDM is not some : sacred formula like Christianity. Guitars are not heretical. If you : doubt, trip back in time to 1972 (or thereabouts... uncle jonnie's brain : isn't what it once was) and slap on Fripp & Eno's "No Pussyfooting." More : experimental, intelligent and out there than a truckful of Aphex Twerps. : And guess what... most of it was done with guitars. Jon, I haven't seen anyone arguing that guitars are "heretical" -- rather I've seen quite a few posters wishlisting/speculating about what their "ideal" guitar/electronic fusion would sound like. On the contrary, as long as artists avoid the recent "industrial" trap of trying to out-speedmetal the speedmetal bands I think there's a wide ground for cross-fertilization between genres. ...and I'd still like to hear Moore & Ranaldo jamming along with Underground Resistance... ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com freeke robot luv
1994-04-27 21:55Matthew CorwineOn 27 Apr 1994, Jon Drukman wrote: > This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous
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On 27 Apr 1994, Jon Drukman wrote:
quoted 1 line This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous.> This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous.
Hear Hear... It's like a bunch of rockers slagging off synths... Peace, Matt XLR8R Magazine, Seattle
1994-04-27 19:52fEEdOn Wed, 27 Apr 1994 11:20:41 -0700, - Greg Earle <earle@isolar.tujunga.ca.us> wrote: > >Ob
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On Wed, 27 Apr 1994 11:20:41 -0700, - Greg Earle <earle@isolar.tujunga.ca.us> wrote:
quoted 10 lines ObWired:> >ObWired: > >Tired Wired >----- ----- >People who Good information >bitch and sources, no matter >moan about where they come >"Wired" from or what gloss > they're garbed in
Exactly what information is Wired a good source for? I am yet to find it anything but inane. Even if they presented the EXACT same content in a brown paper bag, I would call it silly. And while we are talking about bitching and moaning, greg, we have all seen and enjoyed your posts to rmi reguarding Skinny Puppy. -- Kennen Sie eine Merle? Kennen Sie eine Merle? Das ist gut...zu gut. Rob Williams</>MANNA-MACHINE PRODUCTIONS<\>fEEd</>Hellsville noise feed@maroon.tc.umn.edu gerade sie..sie ist mein Opfer. Schad um sie.... sie wird's..ach, nicht lange durchhalten....
1994-04-27 20:05flu'id (floo'-)On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, fEEd wrote: > anything but inane. Even if they presented the EXACT sa
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On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, fEEd wrote:
quoted 2 lines anything but inane. Even if they presented the EXACT same content in a> anything but inane. Even if they presented the EXACT same content in a > brown paper bag, I would call it silly.
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1994-04-29 15:32u90cmg@ecs.oxford.ac.uk> > I once heard a record in a club that sounded like a Van Halen solo with a > typical ho
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quoted 5 lines I once heard a record in a club that sounded like a Van Halen solo with a> > I once heard a record in a club that sounded like a Van Halen solo with a > typical house beat & bass underneath it. Never did find out what it was, but I > liked it and it rocked the floor. >
Love to hear anything like this. VH:'fair warning' one of my fave lps. I reckon the trouble with most (i)dm tunes that i've heard with guitar sounds in them is that they tend to just sample and repeat a short riff, or section and loop / repeat it. This tends to take away much of the power and intrigue of the guitar part, as its versatility and expressivity are the features which I think really give it so much appeal. Any more tunes which use 'em well? No takers for remixing Joe Sat. then? :| Chris.