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2007-12-14 06:34Richard Hester [idm] Wild Kingdom Warning
└─ 2007-12-14 21:06Junior Sanchez [idm] About Software and music making hardware
├─ 2007-12-14 21:07Junior Sanchez RE: [idm] About Software and music making hardware
│ └─ 2007-12-14 21:31Scott Gentzen RE: [idm] About Software and music making hardware
├─ 2007-12-14 21:24Ed Hoc Re: [idm] About Software and music making hardware
│ └─ 2007-12-14 21:41Wallace Winfrey Re: [idm] About Software and music making hardware
│ └─ 2007-12-15 01:35Scott Gentzen Re: [idm] About Software and music making hardware
│ ├─ 2007-12-15 01:43Cyrill Bloch Re: [idm] About Software and music making hardware
│ │ └─ 2007-12-15 02:20Scott Gentzen Re: [idm] About Software and music making hardware
│ └─ 2007-12-15 04:57Ed Hoc Re: [idm] About Software and music making hardware
├─ 2007-12-14 21:30Ed Hoc Re: [idm] About Software and music making hardware
└─ 2007-12-17 11:56n3wjack Re: [idm] About Software and music making hardware
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2007-12-14 06:34Richard HesterThe playlist for last week's Wild Kingdom is at http://www.kfjc.org/music/playlist.php?i=2
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The playlist for last week's Wild Kingdom is at http://www.kfjc.org/music/playlist.php?i=29174. The coming show will feature a fistful of Carl Craig, some Claude Young, Alter Ego, Infinite Wheel, Connection Machine, Luke Slater, Wolfgang Voigt, some classic Acid tunes, and a whole lot more I ain't mentioning here. "The Wild Kingdom" airs on KFJC-FM 89.7, Saturday night/Sunday Morning, 12A-3A (7A-10A GMT). The webcast is at www.kfjc.org (follow the links). Present and past Wild Kingdom playlists are also archived there. You can also check out archived playlists from my first KFJC show "Just Desserts" that aired on Fridays 10P-2A from 1992 through 1999. Playlists exist for that show starting from Fall 1995 to New Year's Eve 1999/2000. If you do tune in (especially via the web), please take a little time to let me know your locale. I'm also interested in promos from all over and in promoting local (San Francisco Bay area) techno-type events. Thanks to those who have sent promos so far. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-12-14 21:06Junior SanchezHello folks, I am in need of y'allz assistance and expertise. I have given into making mus
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Hello folks, I am in need of y'allz assistance and expertise. I have given into making music using a Laptop. I dunno, its been too much of an inconvenience with using hardware, carry it around, hooking it all up, setting everything up has just been a pain. So yeah, what would you all recommend as far as Software and getting controllers and over hard gadgets? let me know, yr assistance would be greatly appreciated. thank you in advance, june. _________________________________________________________________ i’m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect
2007-12-14 21:07Junior Sanchez*oops and other hard gadgets sorry. > From: rendrd_tchocky@msn.com> To: idm@hyperreal.org>
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*oops and other hard gadgets sorry.
quoted 1 line From: rendrd_tchocky@msn.com> To: idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:06:08> From: rendrd_tchocky@msn.com> To: idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:06:08 -0800> Subject: [idm] About Software and music making hardware> > > Hello folks,> > I am in need of y'allz assistance and expertise.> > I have given into making music using a Laptop. I dunno, its been too much of an inconvenience with using hardware, carry it around, hooking it all up, setting everything up has just been a pain. > > So yeah, what would you all recommend as far as Software and getting controllers and over hard gadgets? > > let me know, yr assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > thank you in advance,> june. > > > _________________________________________________________________> i’m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference.> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect
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2007-12-14 21:31Scott GentzenThis'll be funny to watch. Or maybe not so much depending on who's watching the list and p
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This'll be funny to watch. Or maybe not so much depending on who's watching the list and planning on replying. People tend to either love or hate software instruments vice hardware. Those that love real synths (analog mostly) are going to tell you that the software just doesn't cut it in the sound department. Software people will cite ease of portability (try to gig with your modular synth), flexibility and stuff like that. Personally, I love both. There's a lot of stuff in software that would be really hard to replicate in hardware synths (I'm thinking Absynth for starters, also the automation like in Reason). Also, your bang for your buck is generally going to be better with software (try replicating what you get with Reason and a decent MIDI controller spending the same amount of money on hardware)...when you're broke, that's huge. Most of what I love about hardware is qualitative. I love twisting a knob and have it change the sound instead of twisting a knob which twists a picture of a know which changes the sound. With hardware instruments, you (usually) have all the knobs and buttons to control it. Sometimes in software, your instrument might have more controls than your controller has so you end up having to be more creative with how you make it work. When it comes down to it though, maybe my opinion doesn't matter much. UI'm not producing much music. I got started, then decided that learning how to play a keyboard was too hard without knowing any theory first, so I switched to guitar and I'm learning theory that way. Now that I own a copy of Reason though, I have a good excuse to start playing around with the keyboard again and see if I can apply what I'm learning on the guitar. On Friday, December 14, 2007, at 04:07PM, "Junior Sanchez" <rendrd_tchocky@msn.com> wrote:
quoted 6 lines *oops and other hard gadgets sorry.>*oops and other hard gadgets sorry. > >> From: rendrd_tchocky@msn.com> To: idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:06:08 -0800> Subject: [idm] About Software and music making hardware> > > Hello folks,> > I am in need of y'allz assistance and expertise.> > I have given into making music using a Laptop. I dunno, its been too much of an inconvenience with using hardware, carry it around, hooking it all up, setting everything up has just been a pain. > > So yeah, what would you all recommend as far as Software and getting controllers and over hard gadgets? > > let me know, yr assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > thank you in advance,> june. > > > _________________________________________________________________> i?m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference.> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect >_________________________________________________________________ >Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. >http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007
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2007-12-14 21:24Ed Hocyour primary concern in 2007 is no longer mastering the state of the art in manufactured e
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your primary concern in 2007 is no longer mastering the state of the art in manufactured electronic equipment, it is interfacing with the concepts of composition behind their design in the first place. these days, even though most computation is taking place in social networks, reluctant and stubborn music tool programmers remain locked in the single-computer-emulating-a-studio mindset, so if that's your game, get a good midi controller and learn to DAW like it's 1999. of course, this response doesn't address your initial question because your question doesn't indicate what you'd like to do with your computer. would you prefer to use your computer to imagine phantom hardware, or menace standing concepts? On Dec 14, 2007 4:06 PM, Junior Sanchez <rendrd_tchocky@msn.com> wrote:
quoted 18 lines Hello folks,> > Hello folks, > > I am in need of y'allz assistance and expertise. > > I have given into making music using a Laptop. I dunno, its been too much of an inconvenience with using hardware, carry it around, hooking it all up, setting everything up has just been a pain. > > So yeah, what would you all recommend as far as Software and getting controllers and over hard gadgets? > > let me know, yr assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > thank you in advance, > june. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > i'm is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect
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2007-12-14 21:41Wallace WinfreyEd Hoc wrote: > even though most computation is taking place in social networks, Could you
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Ed Hoc wrote:
quoted 1 line even though most computation is taking place in social networks,> even though most computation is taking place in social networks,
Could you expound on this statement? I'm not sure I quite gather what you're getting at. I'm not trying to be a smart-ass or anything, just would like more clarification.
quoted 1 line menace standing concepts> menace standing concepts
What approaches outside traditional sequencing are you speaking of here? cheers w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-12-15 01:35Scott GentzenOn Dec 14, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Wallace Winfrey wrote: > Ed Hoc wrote: >> even though most co
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On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Wallace Winfrey wrote:
quoted 6 lines Ed Hoc wrote:> Ed Hoc wrote: >> even though most computation is taking place in social networks, > > Could you expound on this statement? I'm not sure I quite gather what > you're getting at. I'm not trying to be a smart-ass or anything, just > would like more clarification.
Actually, I'm curious too now that I've thought more about it. Is it more of a networked collaborative musical experimentation or something else entirely? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-12-15 01:43Cyrill Blochcollaborative is so "has been"... nearly as much as Reason. (troll inside) le 12/15/07 2:3
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collaborative is so "has been"... nearly as much as Reason. (troll inside) le 12/15/07 2:35 AM:
quoted 18 lines On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Wallace Winfrey wrote:> On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Wallace Winfrey wrote: > >> Ed Hoc wrote: >>> even though most computation is taking place in social networks, >> >> Could you expound on this statement? I'm not sure I quite gather what >> you're getting at. I'm not trying to be a smart-ass or anything, just >> would like more clarification. > > Actually, I'm curious too now that I've thought more about it. Is it > more of a networked collaborative musical experimentation or something > else entirely? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2007-12-15 02:20Scott Gentzen> collaborative is so "has been"... nearly as much as Reason. > (troll inside) > Expected.
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quoted 3 lines collaborative is so "has been"... nearly as much as Reason.> collaborative is so "has been"... nearly as much as Reason. > (troll inside) >
Expected. :P Reason's on the brain more because I won a free copy and it arrived a couple days ago so I've been playing around with it a lot. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-12-15 04:57Ed Hochaha you guys, that's the whole point, in terms of the dollars-per-cycle computations, the
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haha you guys, that's the whole point, in terms of the dollars-per-cycle computations, the most valuable are taking place in dirty data mining factories such as the ones that read the hyperreal archives and so on. myspace as a framework for advertisers to understand their dollar's utility, rather than a frustrating site. by that i mean, synthesizing a formant or granularizing a fart is single process old news, computers no longer are used to manage data, they're used to give you an inlet to human trait detection. in any event, there's no useful musical intrepretation of this framework, so get fucked if you wanna try it. flying cars. i have to dj a radio show RTS at whus.org, call in at 860-486-9487 if you wanna take this off list and on-air. On Dec 14, 2007 8:35 PM, Scott Gentzen <sgentzen@mac.com> wrote:
quoted 19 lines On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Wallace Winfrey wrote:> On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Wallace Winfrey wrote: > > > Ed Hoc wrote: > >> even though most computation is taking place in social networks, > > > > Could you expound on this statement? I'm not sure I quite gather what > > you're getting at. I'm not trying to be a smart-ass or anything, just > > would like more clarification. > > Actually, I'm curious too now that I've thought more about it. Is it > more of a networked collaborative musical experimentation or > something else entirely? > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2007-12-14 21:30Ed Hocyour primary concern in 2007 is no longer mastering the state of the art in manufactured e
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your primary concern in 2007 is no longer mastering the state of the art in manufactured electronic equipment, it is interfacing with the concepts of composition behind their design in the first place. these days, even though most computation is taking place in social networks, reluctant and stubborn music tool programmers remain locked in the single-computer-emulating-a-studio mindset, so if that's your game, get a good midi controller and learn to DAW like it's 1999. of course, this response doesn't address your initial question because your question doesn't indicate what you'd like to do with your computer. would you prefer to use your computer to imagine phantom hardware, or menace standing concepts? On Dec 14, 2007 4:06 PM, Junior Sanchez <rendrd_tchocky@msn.com> wrote:
quoted 18 lines Hello folks,> > Hello folks, > > I am in need of y'allz assistance and expertise. > > I have given into making music using a Laptop. I dunno, its been too much of an inconvenience with using hardware, carry it around, hooking it all up, setting everything up has just been a pain. > > So yeah, what would you all recommend as far as Software and getting controllers and over hard gadgets? > > let me know, yr assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > thank you in advance, > june. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > i'm is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect
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2007-12-17 11:56n3wjack2007/12/14, Junior Sanchez <rendrd_tchocky@msn.com>: > > > Hello folks, > > I am in need o
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2007/12/14, Junior Sanchez <rendrd_tchocky@msn.com>:
quoted 12 lines Hello folks,> > > Hello folks, > > I am in need of y'allz assistance and expertise. > > I have given into making music using a Laptop. I dunno, its been too much > of an inconvenience with using hardware, carry it around, hooking it all up, > setting everything up has just been a pain. > > So yeah, what would you all recommend as far as Software and getting > controllers and over hard gadgets?
Try out a few demos if you haven't already, and see what you like best. Some music software has a more oldskool tracker like interface (Fruity Loops, Renoise) and some have a more machine like orientation like Reason. It depends on what you're looking for, or feel comfy with. Check out Ableton live as well. It rocks, but ain't cheap. I use freeware oldskool Jeskola Buzz btw, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're a geek. If you really want to get experimental you can give PureData, MaxDSP or Chuck a try, but that's more über-geekish music programming instead of composing IMO. -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.net http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station