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2006-03-17 23:17Ed Hoc Re: [idm] do you master?
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└─ 2006-03-18 01:51emulsion Re: [idm] do you master?
└─ 2006-03-18 08:44chthonic streams Re: [idm] do you master?
2006-03-18 02:24Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks [idm] on mastering Re: [idm] do you master?
├─ 2006-03-18 03:24Kent Williams Re: [idm] on mastering Re: [idm] do you master?
├─ 2006-03-18 16:34nat hawks RE: [idm] on mastering Re: [idm] do you master?
│ ├─ 2006-03-18 16:54chthonic streams RE: [idm] on mastering Re: [idm] do you master?
│ └─ 2006-03-18 22:07emulsion Re: [idm] on mastering Re: [idm] do you master?
└─ 2006-03-19 03:08Clint M. Sand Re: [idm] on mastering Re: [idm] do you master?
└─ 2006-03-19 04:48chthonic streams Re: [idm] on mastering Re: [idm] do you master?
2006-03-28 16:58Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks [idm] Daniel Bell mix on Andrew Duke's In The Mix
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2006-03-17 23:17Ed Hocso wait, you posted an email to the idm list asking to get it mastered and pressed to viny
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so wait, you posted an email to the idm list asking to get it mastered and pressed to vinyl for free? HEY GUYS SOMEONE GIVE THIS DUDE A FREE RIDE AND GET HIM SOME NACHOS, STAT. he's obviously important! On 3/17/06, aaronas@yahoo.com <aaronas@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 88 lines It's mine and a friend of mine's do. We're not in the business for paying> It's mine and a friend of mine's do. We're not in the business for paying > for mastering. We're looking for someone to press it to > http://www.kowebdesign.com/thiscolor.html this color of > vinyl. We want to make it into an album. If you feel it's good, i.e. your > record label.. > > ~Aaron > > > Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > > i know ya do, that's why i forwarded it to ya.. but it's not my track, > talk to aaronas@yahoo.com > > On 3/17/06, Tense wrote: > > Yes, I do, > > > > You need hyperrealistic mastered? > > > > How soon do you need it? > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: aaronas@yahoo.com > > Date: Mar 17, 2006 1:20 AM > > Subject: [idm] do you master? > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > > > i would like this pressed to vinyl > > > > http://www.kowebdesign.com/hyperrealistic.mp3 > > > > tripped out psychidelic rave > > > > must be mastered > > > > > > XOoOXoOoXOoOXoOoXOoOXoOOX > > http://www.kowebdesign.com > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Mail > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > > > > > -- > > Please note: This e-mail was sent from a notification-only address > > that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this > > message. > > > > ---- > > > > pete lastname > > meatsock@gmail.com > > www.grep-fu.net > > > > > > > > > -- > Please note: This e-mail was sent from a notification-only address > that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this > message. > > ---- > > pete lastname > meatsock@gmail.com > www.grep-fu.net > > > > > > > XOoOXoOoXOoOXoOoXOoOXoOOX > http://www.kowebdesign.com > > > ________________________________ > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > >
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2006-03-18 01:00nat hawksi never thought about mastering until i read an interview with matmos after vespertine and
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i never thought about mastering until i read an interview with matmos after vespertine and they were pretty wowed by how much it brought out, especially as they had always considered their works mastered already, as they are 'producer-composers'... is it true that aphex masters all reflex? does paradinas do the same? : > any other examples of this sort of house mastering guru shit?
quoted 120 lines From: "Ed Hoc" <meatsock@gmail.com>>From: "Ed Hoc" <meatsock@gmail.com> >To: "aaronas@yahoo.com" <aaronas@yahoo.com>, "Indigo Danelions Merrygolds" ><idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] do you master? >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:17:49 -0500 > >so wait, you posted an email to the idm list asking to get it mastered >and pressed to vinyl for free? > >HEY GUYS SOMEONE GIVE THIS DUDE A FREE RIDE AND GET HIM SOME NACHOS, >STAT. he's obviously important! > >On 3/17/06, aaronas@yahoo.com <aaronas@yahoo.com> wrote: > > It's mine and a friend of mine's do. We're not in the business for >paying > > for mastering. We're looking for someone to press it to > > http://www.kowebdesign.com/thiscolor.html this color of > > vinyl. We want to make it into an album. If you feel it's good, i.e. >your > > record label.. > > > > ~Aaron > > > > > > Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > i know ya do, that's why i forwarded it to ya.. but it's not my track, > > talk to aaronas@yahoo.com > > > > On 3/17/06, Tense wrote: > > > Yes, I do, > > > > > > You need hyperrealistic mastered? > > > > > > How soon do you need it? > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: aaronas@yahoo.com > > > Date: Mar 17, 2006 1:20 AM > > > Subject: [idm] do you master? > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > i would like this pressed to vinyl > > > > > > http://www.kowebdesign.com/hyperrealistic.mp3 > > > > > > tripped out psychidelic rave > > > > > > must be mastered > > > > > > > > > XOoOXoOoXOoOXoOoXOoOXoOOX > > > http://www.kowebdesign.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! Mail > > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Please note: This e-mail was sent from a notification-only address > > > that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this > > > message. > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > pete lastname > > > meatsock@gmail.com > > > www.grep-fu.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Please note: This e-mail was sent from a notification-only address > > that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this > > message. > > > > ---- > > > > pete lastname > > meatsock@gmail.com > > www.grep-fu.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XOoOXoOoXOoOXoOoXOoOXoOOX > > http://www.kowebdesign.com > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > > > > > > >-- >Please note: This e-mail was sent from a notification-only address >that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this >message. > >---- > >pete lastname >meatsock@gmail.com >www.grep-fu.net > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2006-03-18 01:10Ed Hoci am pretty sure mike p has more important things to do. i could be wrong. On 3/17/06, nat
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i am pretty sure mike p has more important things to do. i could be wrong. On 3/17/06, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 143 lines i never thought about mastering until i read an interview with matmos after> i never thought about mastering until i read an interview with matmos after > vespertine and they were pretty wowed by how much it brought out, especially > as they had always considered their works mastered already, as they are > 'producer-composers'... > > is it true that aphex masters all reflex? > > does paradinas do the same? : > > > any other examples of this sort of house mastering guru shit? > > > >From: "Ed Hoc" <meatsock@gmail.com> > >To: "aaronas@yahoo.com" <aaronas@yahoo.com>, "Indigo Danelions Merrygolds" > ><idm@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: Re: [idm] do you master? > >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:17:49 -0500 > > > >so wait, you posted an email to the idm list asking to get it mastered > >and pressed to vinyl for free? > > > >HEY GUYS SOMEONE GIVE THIS DUDE A FREE RIDE AND GET HIM SOME NACHOS, > >STAT. he's obviously important! > > > >On 3/17/06, aaronas@yahoo.com <aaronas@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > It's mine and a friend of mine's do. We're not in the business for > >paying > > > for mastering. We're looking for someone to press it to > > > http://www.kowebdesign.com/thiscolor.html this color of > > > vinyl. We want to make it into an album. If you feel it's good, i.e. > >your > > > record label.. > > > > > > ~Aaron > > > > > > > > > Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > i know ya do, that's why i forwarded it to ya.. but it's not my track, > > > talk to aaronas@yahoo.com > > > > > > On 3/17/06, Tense wrote: > > > > Yes, I do, > > > > > > > > You need hyperrealistic mastered? > > > > > > > > How soon do you need it? > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > From: aaronas@yahoo.com > > > > Date: Mar 17, 2006 1:20 AM > > > > Subject: [idm] do you master? > > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > i would like this pressed to vinyl > > > > > > > > http://www.kowebdesign.com/hyperrealistic.mp3 > > > > > > > > tripped out psychidelic rave > > > > > > > > must be mastered > > > > > > > > > > > > XOoOXoOoXOoOXoOoXOoOXoOOX > > > > http://www.kowebdesign.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Yahoo! Mail > > > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Please note: This e-mail was sent from a notification-only address > > > > that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this > > > > message. > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > pete lastname > > > > meatsock@gmail.com > > > > www.grep-fu.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Please note: This e-mail was sent from a notification-only address > > > that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this > > > message. > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > pete lastname > > > meatsock@gmail.com > > > www.grep-fu.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XOoOXoOoXOoOXoOoXOoOXoOOX > > > http://www.kowebdesign.com > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Please note: This e-mail was sent from a notification-only address > >that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this > >message. > > > >---- > > > >pete lastname > >meatsock@gmail.com > >www.grep-fu.net > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2006-03-18 01:51emulsionI firmly believe that thinking you're capable of mastering just because you're a good prod
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I firmly believe that thinking you're capable of mastering just because you're a good producer is a BIG mistake. There's a reason those guys get the big bucks and it's not just their crazy gear. I would hope that the rephlex and planet-mu stuff gets farmed out (although if they are mastering it it sounds pretty good) -- partially because who has time to make music, run a record label, and be a mastering engineer? Nathan On Mar 17, 2006, at 7:00 PM, nat hawks wrote:
quoted 11 lines i never thought about mastering until i read an interview with> i never thought about mastering until i read an interview with > matmos after vespertine and they were pretty wowed by how much it > brought out, especially as they had always considered their works > mastered already, as they are 'producer-composers'... > > is it true that aphex masters all reflex? > > does paradinas do the same? : > > > any other examples of this sort of house mastering guru shit? >
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2006-03-18 08:44chthonic streams>I firmly believe that thinking you're capable of mastering just >because you're a good pr
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quoted 8 lines I firmly believe that thinking you're capable of mastering just>I firmly believe that thinking you're capable of mastering just >because you're a good producer is a BIG mistake. There's a reason >those guys get the big bucks and it's not just their crazy gear. > >I would hope that the rephlex and planet-mu stuff gets farmed out >(although if they are mastering it it sounds pretty good) -- >partially because who has time to make music, run a record label, >and be a mastering engineer?
also it's important to use someone who isn't as directly involved with the music give it a more objective ear, from an engineering/audio standpoint. someone who's not mates with the artist or have a stake in wanting the bass to be pumped up - the artist will give enough of that kind of input. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-03-18 02:24Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworksemulsion wrote: > I firmly believe that thinking you're capable of mastering just > becaus
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emulsion wrote:
quoted 3 lines I firmly believe that thinking you're capable of mastering just> I firmly believe that thinking you're capable of mastering just > because you're a good producer is a BIG mistake. There's a reason > those guys get the big bucks and it's not just their crazy gear.
I agree 100%. I get asked quite often to master for people and I always turn every request down because I know someone else who specializes in that can do a much better job than producer-me. Plainly put, I'm not a masterer. The importance of a well-done mastering job cannot be overstated. I can only speak from personal experience because only I can know what my material sounds like when sent off to be mastered in comparison to hearing what the mastered version sounds like. Ditto for other artists. As consumers, we can't listen to a mastered version of something we've bought and know what kind of magic happened between what we hear and what was sent to be mastered because we don't get to hear the unmastered version and do an a/b comparison. I was recently wowed: when I got the Mark "Vapourspace" Gage-mastered master of my forthcoming album on Phthalo (pressed in the next couple of weeks), I was so in awe at what he did with it, I wrote him an effusive thank you email. He brought things out in the tracks that took things to another level. They're my songs, so I should know them pretty darn intimately, and yet he's made me listen to them in a whole different light with his mastering job. The only album of mine that has impressed me this much at hearing the difference between what I submitted for mastering and the mastered version was hearing my Tim Spurway-mastered Highest Common Denominator album on Piehead. Greg can correct me if I'm wrong, but Tim mastered most if not all of the Piehead stuff. For me, Tim, like Mark, took what I thought was my best work at the time and took things to another level. If you can, I would always recommend mastering by someone else rather than yourself. Sure, make what you submit for mastering sound as good as you possibly can, but don't think that someone else's fresh ears can't make your work sound even better. Your job as a producer is to produce the best music you can. A masterer's job is to objectively take what you've produced and make it sound as good as it possibly can. My CDN $0.02. Have a good weekend, everybody. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-03-18 03:24Kent WilliamsMastering is not the same as production, for true. I am both a producer and a mastering en
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Mastering is not the same as production, for true. I am both a producer and a mastering engineer, and I think about and listen for completely different things. In the case that someone wants to release my music I'd really prefer that someone else master it, because it's a second set of ears attuned to bringing out the fine details of my work. I've mastered dozens of albums, just using digital tools, and I have my own methods of working, and people have always been happy with the results. On the other hand I'd love to have the gear to really do it right, but I don't have the roughly $50k it would take to set it up proper. That involves not just buying $5000 mastering EQs and compressors, but building a room, buying $3000 speakers, $2000 analog to digital and digital to analog converters. So if you can afford several hundred dollars to get your mastering done, go to the pros, and don't think you're not getting your money's worth. Mark Gage is developing a real reputation for mastering electronic music, and there's a lot to be said for his obvious understanding and commitment to the specific genre. Anyone who doesn't have several hundred dollars, drop me a line -- I work cheap, because I don't make a living from it, and I'm interested in getting as much experience as possible. On 3/17/06, Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks <andrewduke@cognitionaudioworks.com> wrote:
quoted 6 lines emulsion wrote:> emulsion wrote: > > > I firmly believe that thinking you're capable of mastering just > > because you're a good producer is a BIG mistake. There's a reason > > those guys get the big bucks and it's not just their crazy gear. >
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2006-03-18 16:34nat hawksalright, so, what's a good mastering price? obviously, like anything, they run the spectru
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alright, so, what's a good mastering price? obviously, like anything, they run the spectrum, but can you get a decent job for $100 or so? the only time i really notice-notice good mixing is when an album sounds similar on a shitty boom-box with one speaker working, a nice car stereo, and average headphones. i've only ever 'mastered' my own stuff on headhpones. the $20 sony ones. seems to work alright, for what it is. would love to get something mastered someday though. any recommendations on open-minded budget master-mastereres? nat http://www.littlefurythings.net
quoted 69 lines From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks <andrewduke@cognitionaudioworks.com>>From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks <andrewduke@cognitionaudioworks.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] on mastering Re: [idm] do you master? >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:24:15 -0400 > >emulsion wrote: > >>I firmly believe that thinking you're capable of mastering just because >>you're a good producer is a BIG mistake. There's a reason those guys get >>the big bucks and it's not just their crazy gear. > >I agree 100%. >I get asked quite often to master for people and I always turn every >request down because I know someone else who specializes in that >can do a much better job than producer-me. Plainly put, I'm not a >masterer. >The importance of a well-done mastering job cannot be overstated. >I can only speak from personal experience because only I can know >what my material sounds like when sent off to be mastered in comparison >to hearing what the mastered version sounds like. Ditto for other >artists. As consumers, we can't listen to a mastered version of something >we've bought and know what kind of magic happened between what >we hear and what was sent to be mastered because we don't get to >hear the unmastered version and do an a/b comparison. I was recently >wowed: >when I got the Mark "Vapourspace" Gage-mastered master of my >forthcoming album on Phthalo (pressed in the next couple of weeks), >I was so in awe at what he did with it, I wrote him an effusive thank you >email. He brought things out in the tracks that took things to another >level. They're my songs, so I should know them pretty darn intimately, and >yet he's >made me listen to them in a whole different light with his mastering job. >The only >album of mine that has impressed me this much at hearing the difference >between >what I submitted for mastering and the mastered version was hearing my >Tim Spurway-mastered Highest Common Denominator album on Piehead. Greg can >correct me if I'm wrong, but Tim mastered most if not all of the Piehead >stuff. For me, Tim, like Mark, took what I thought was my best work at the >time >and took things to another level. > >If you can, I would always recommend mastering by someone else rather >than yourself. Sure, make what you submit for mastering sound as good >as you possibly can, but don't think that someone else's fresh ears can't >make your work sound even better. Your job as a producer is to produce >the best music you can. A masterer's job is to objectively take what >you've >produced and make it sound as good as it possibly can. > >My CDN $0.02. >Have a good weekend, everybody. >Andrew > >-- >Andrew Duke >scoring/sound design/source >http://andrew-duke.com >http://myspace.com/andrewduke >Cognition Audioworks label >[Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] >http://cognitionaudioworks.com > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2006-03-18 16:54chthonic streams"nat hawks" <natbot@hotmail.com> asked: >alright, >so, what's a good mastering price? obvi
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quoted 3 lines alright,>alright, >so, what's a good mastering price? obviously, like anything, they >run the spectrum, but can you get a decent job for $100 or so?
even the cheaper mastering guys who use protools will charge $45 an hour. mastering an entire album takes time and skill. even a quick mastering job would take more than two hours and be no better than what you could do with a few plug-ins. less time and money than that and it's not even worth going to someone else. mastering jobs have cost me between $500 and $800 for a 50-minute album. interestingly enough, the cheaper per hour, the more time you will end up spending, because the person does not have the tools or expertise the more expensive guys have. $150 an hour and years of experience is probably sufficient, although the top mastering engineers can charge $350 an hour. but regardless, you may find that after listening to the project, you have to go back in and tweak a few issues on another day. your ears just get tired hearing the same hour's worth of material for hours and hours, and you lose perspective. i will say that the price may end up being cheaper if you send it off instead of sitting in the room, but you also don't have the option of hearing and fixing things that bother you musically and sonically. basically the better they are, the faster they can zero in on any issues you have and some you didn't know existed until you got in a really good room with a variety of monitoring choices and a good RTA (real-time analyzer) on your mix. also, at some point running the mix out into a super-expensive analog compressor/limiter and back in again is something the better guys do, and that real-time transfer adds up. but it's worth it - assuming they have the best A-D converters available.
quoted 3 lines the only time i really notice-notice good mixing is when an album>the only time i really notice-notice good mixing is when an album >sounds similar on a shitty boom-box with one speaker working, a nice >car stereo, and average headphones.
and also if the volumes don't jump wildly from track to track unintentionally, or that one song makes that one pair of speakers flip out.
quoted 3 lines i've only ever 'mastered' my own stuff on headhpones. the $20 sony>i've only ever 'mastered' my own stuff on headhpones. the $20 sony >ones. seems to work alright, for what it is. would love to get >something mastered someday though.
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2006-03-18 22:07emulsionUnfortunately I think if you spend less than $300 to $500 on an album it probably won't be
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Unfortunately I think if you spend less than $300 to $500 on an album it probably won't be worth it. Like chthonic streams mentioned $150/ hr is pretty typical. It's probably only worth it if all the other pieces are in place - a label or distributor, promotion, etc. If you have no money, just do some overall leveling and light compression and leave it at that. I use the Boiler Room in Chicago (brmastering.com) - I've worked with the engineer for several years and he does an amazing job of getting my computer-generated music 'out of the box' I've also hear good stuff from people in Chicago about Mastermind Productions (http://www.mastermindproductions.net/mastering.htm) - he's in Milwaukee and Casino vs. Japan and the Wobblyhead stuff gets done there. Nathan On Mar 18, 2006, at 10:34 AM, nat hawks wrote:
quoted 18 lines alright,> alright, > so, what's a good mastering price? obviously, like anything, they > run the spectrum, but can you get a decent job for $100 or so? > > the only time i really notice-notice good mixing is when an album > sounds similar on a shitty boom-box with one speaker working, a > nice car stereo, and average headphones. > > i've only ever 'mastered' my own stuff on headhpones. the $20 sony > ones. seems to work alright, for what it is. would love to get > something mastered someday though. > > any recommendations on open-minded budget master-mastereres? > > nat > http://www.littlefurythings.net > >>
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2006-03-19 03:08Clint M. SandOn Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 10:24:15PM -0400, Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks wrote: > > If y
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quoted 8 lines If you can, I would always recommend mastering by someone else rather> > If you can, I would always recommend mastering by someone else rather > than yourself. Sure, make what you submit for mastering sound as good > as you possibly can, but don't think that someone else's fresh ears can't > make your work sound even better. Your job as a producer is to produce > the best music you can. A masterer's job is to objectively take what you've > produced and make it sound as good as it possibly can. >
Agreed that in an ideal world, you'd have someone else who is not the producer of a release.. master the release. However, I usually deal with small labels who are themselves on a tight budget. I can't tell you how many times I've been burnt buy letting someone else master tracks. I spend days mixing a track and am told by a label that is it will be "professionally mastered" before release. Then I get the final cd and it sounds like shit and I feel like all that time i spent tweaking, mixing, eqing tracks was just completely wasted. I also feel that there is a new reality where no matter how much production and mastering you do, 90% of people will end up hearing your music via 128k mp3's they get off P2P on their computer speakers anyway. So at this point, I master everything myself rather than hear my stuff on a comp again and it sounds like shit. We all may be savy enough to realize "oh, whomever mastered this really did a bad job but the song is cool" but I think the vast majority of people wont do that and will just intuitivly know "this sucks" vs the next song which "kicks ass". They dont' know why, they just know somethings not good about you track. hell = other people. :-D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-03-19 04:48chthonic streams>On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 10:24:15PM -0400, Andrew Duke Cognition >Audioworks wrote: >> >>
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quoted 27 lines On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 10:24:15PM -0400, Andrew Duke Cognition>On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 10:24:15PM -0400, Andrew Duke Cognition >Audioworks wrote: >> >> If you can, I would always recommend mastering by someone else rather >> than yourself. Sure, make what you submit for mastering sound as good >> as you possibly can, but don't think that someone else's fresh ears can't >> make your work sound even better. Your job as a producer is to produce >> the best music you can. A masterer's job is to objectively take what you've >> produced and make it sound as good as it possibly can. >> >Agreed that in an ideal world, you'd have someone else who is not the >producer of a release.. master the release. > >However, I usually deal with small labels who are themselves on a tight >budget. I can't tell you how many times I've been burnt buy letting >someone else master tracks. I spend days mixing a track and am told by a >label that is it will be "professionally mastered" before release. > >Then I get the final cd and it sounds like shit and I feel like all that >time i spent tweaking, mixing, eqing tracks was just completely wasted. > >I also feel that there is a new reality where no matter how much >production and mastering you do, 90% of people will end up hearing your >music via 128k mp3's they get off P2P on their computer speakers anyway. > >So at this point, I master everything myself rather than hear my stuff >on a comp again and it sounds like shit. We all may be savy enough to
oh for compilation tracks, definitely run your final mix through some mastering stuff. compression, EQ, exciting. try to do it in a different room if possible, or at least check it on multiple speaker systems and headphones. but for a full album, the alternative is to find a good mastering person who is local, find out what else they've done, and listen to it. especially look for stuff that seems like it wasn't recorded in the greatest studio and see if it sounds good anyway. then once you hire the guy, don't send it off, sit in on the session. if the label won't reimburse then oh well, but at least you know you took that final step to make sure your music was the best it could possibly be. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-03-28 16:58Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworksjust added to the Andrew Duke's In The Mix archive on http://cognitionaudioworks.com/Andre
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just added to the Andrew Duke's In The Mix archive on http://cognitionaudioworks.com/AndrewDukeITM.html --an exclusive guest DJ mix from Daniel Bell; sounds as fresh as the day it was recorded in 1999; tracklist: 1. Farben "Live at the Sahara Tahoe" (DM Klang) 2. Lo Soul "Synchro" (DM Playhouse) 3. Daniel Bell "The Wild Life" (US Elevate Special Projects) 4. DKB "Killer Loopz" 5. Paul Hester "Life Force" (UK Paper) 6. Problem Kids "I Will Lead" (UK Paper) 7. Daniel Bell "The Butterfly Effect" (DM Tresor) 8. Mike Ink "Pink" (DM Studio 1) 9. Super Collider (Cristian Vogel & Jamie Lidell)--"Darn Cold Way O' Lovin'" (Derrick Carter remix) (UK Loaded) (re: tracks 1-9: this is a rough draft of the the DJ mix CD Bell would release on Tresor in 2000 as The Button Down Mind Of Daniel Bell) 10. Daniel Bell--"Beyond + Back" from "New Horizons" compilation EP (US Seventh City) upcoming Daniel Bell dates: March 31 Compression LA April 14 Boston April 22 Electro 2m6 Festival Zaragoza Spain April 28 Sud Electronic London April 29 Tenax Florence Hope you enjoy. Take care. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com