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2006-01-10 16:37[idm] r.i.p. NEO OUIJA (..and merck/piehead/component) ???
├─ 2006-01-10 16:42mantrakid Re: [idm] r.i.p. NEO OUIJA (..and merck/piehead/component) ???
├─ 2006-01-10 16:48thorsten sideb0ard Re: [idm] r.i.p. NEO OUIJA (..and merck/piehead/component) ???
│ └─ 2006-01-10 17:26cutups RE: [idm] r.i.p. NEO OUIJA (..and merck/piehead/component) ???
├─ 2006-01-10 16:59Alan Lucas Re: [idm] r.i.p. NEO OUIJA (..and merck/piehead/component) ???
└─ 2006-01-10 17:16Walkman Re: [idm] r.i.p. NEO OUIJA (..and merck/piehead/component) ???
└─ 2006-01-11 00:04nat hawks Re: [idm] r.i.p. MEGO
2006-01-10 17:22kiya iamacopier babzani Re: [idm] r.i.p. NEO OUIJA (..and merck/piehead/component) ???
└─ 2006-01-10 19:32Adam Piontek Re: [idm] r.i.p. NEO OUIJA (..and merck/piehead/component) ???
└─ 2006-01-11 06:09Scarcelight Recordings Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS
└─ 2006-01-11 08:10Enquiries Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS
└─ 2006-01-11 08:41Rick Strom [idm] why small labels die
2006-01-11 17:17chthonic Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS
2006-01-11 18:06Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS
2006-01-12 12:51Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS
2006-01-13 08:07David @ Audiobulb Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS
└─ 2006-01-13 16:44Cory O'Brien Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS
├─ 2006-01-13 16:52Enquiries Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS
└─ 2006-01-13 18:38Adam Piontek Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS
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2006-01-10 16:37pietrobot@digitalnimbus.comhere's the latest label to close-up: NEO OUIJA :: http://neoouija.co.uk/neo so, here's the
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here's the latest label to close-up: NEO OUIJA :: http://neoouija.co.uk/neo so, here's the count in the last month: 1. merck: http://m3rck.net 2. piehead: http://pieheadrecords.com 3. component: http://componentrecords.com 4. neo ouija: http://neoouija.co.uk/neo @_@ pietro. :: DIGITAL::NIMBUS :: Electronic Audio Freakquencies KUCI 88.9 FM, Friday Nights 12-3am (PST) http://digitalnimbus.com :: http://kuci.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-10 16:42mantrakidI think its a marketing scheme and theyre actually forming one giant mega label like voltr
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I think its a marketing scheme and theyre actually forming one giant mega label like voltron with the single goal of eliminating pop country music once and for all. pietrobot@digitalnimbus.com wrote:
quoted 28 lines here's the latest label to close-up:>here's the latest label to close-up: > >NEO OUIJA :: http://neoouija.co.uk/neo > >so, here's the count in the last month: > >1. merck: http://m3rck.net >2. piehead: http://pieheadrecords.com >3. component: http://componentrecords.com >4. neo ouija: http://neoouija.co.uk/neo > >@_@ > >pietro. >:: >DIGITAL::NIMBUS :: Electronic Audio Freakquencies >KUCI 88.9 FM, Friday Nights 12-3am (PST) >http://digitalnimbus.com :: http://kuci.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >
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2006-01-10 16:48thorsten sideb0ard> so, here's the count in the last month: > > 1. merck: http://m3rck.net > 2. piehead: htt
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quoted 6 lines so, here's the count in the last month:> so, here's the count in the last month: > > 1. merck: http://m3rck.net > 2. piehead: http://pieheadrecords.com > 3. component: http://componentrecords.com > 4. neo ouija: http://neoouija.co.uk/neo
Thats really scary, i didnt realise all them were closing shop. wow. Plus Grooves magazine as well (as a print entity anyway). All american as well, i wonder how much that has to do with it. I find the US market for Electronic Music completely non-existent these days. Whereas we are doing really well in the UK, Europe and Japan, i've not had any correspondence with my US distributor for about six months, i.e. they dropped my lame selling ass. I now only do a little bit of US press these days, to people i know who are interested in our material. As for trying to find new distribution - well, you can forget it. Yet paradoxically, i usually sell 6 times as many mp3 downloads (electronic) via the US itunes as i do anywhere else in the world. Its either that the US market has moved ahead of everyone else and adopted digital download as their preferred Distribution means, or else iTunes is filling the gap that the other distributors and stores are leaving open. thor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-10 17:26cutupsNeo Ouija isn't American I don't believe. But still...i do see a lot of people buying (or
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Neo Ouija isn't American I don't believe. But still...i do see a lot of people buying (or stealing) digital only copies...more than ever before. --- WRECKED electronic music mailorder http://wrecked-distro.com -----Original Message----- From: thorsten sideb0ard [mailto:thorsten@highpointlowlife.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:48 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] r.i.p. NEO OUIJA (..and merck/piehead/component) ???
quoted 6 lines so, here's the count in the last month:> so, here's the count in the last month: > > 1. merck: http://m3rck.net > 2. piehead: http://pieheadrecords.com > 3. component: http://componentrecords.com > 4. neo ouija: http://neoouija.co.uk/neo
Thats really scary, i didnt realise all them were closing shop. wow. Plus Grooves magazine as well (as a print entity anyway). All american as well, i wonder how much that has to do with it. I find the US market for Electronic Music completely non-existent these days. Whereas we are doing really well in the UK, Europe and Japan, i've not had any correspondence with my US distributor for about six months, i.e. they dropped my lame selling ass. I now only do a little bit of US press these days, to people i know who are interested in our material. As for trying to find new distribution - well, you can forget it. Yet paradoxically, i usually sell 6 times as many mp3 downloads (electronic) via the US itunes as i do anywhere else in the world. Its either that the US market has moved ahead of everyone else and adopted digital download as their preferred Distribution means, or else iTunes is filling the gap that the other distributors and stores are leaving open. thor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-10 16:59Alan LucasOn 1/10/06, pietrobot@digitalnimbus.com <pietrobot@digitalnimbus.com> wrote: > here's the
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On 1/10/06, pietrobot@digitalnimbus.com <pietrobot@digitalnimbus.com> wrote:
quoted 4 lines here's the latest label to close-up:> here's the latest label to close-up: > > NEO OUIJA :: http://neoouija.co.uk/neo >
Sucks. I always dug most of the stuff that came out on Neo. I hope that Lee is OK and will still be able to do stuff as Metamatics/Norken/etc... 3JakAndDive was one of my faves of 2005. Aw poop. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-10 17:16Walkmanthat is the saddest news i've heard this year. i somehow dont believe its because of the i
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that is the saddest news i've heard this year. i somehow dont believe its because of the illness... Walkman www.sutemos.net
quoted 27 lines here's the latest label to close-up:> here's the latest label to close-up: > > NEO OUIJA :: http://neoouija.co.uk/neo > > so, here's the count in the last month: > > 1. merck: http://m3rck.net > 2. piehead: http://pieheadrecords.com > 3. component: http://componentrecords.com > 4. neo ouija: http://neoouija.co.uk/neo > > @_@ > > pietro. > :: > DIGITAL::NIMBUS :: Electronic Audio Freakquencies > KUCI 88.9 FM, Friday Nights 12-3am (PST) > http://digitalnimbus.com :: http://kuci.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2006-01-11 00:04nat hawksto add to the list... http://www.warprecords.com The esteemed and brilliant label Mego has
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to add to the list... http://www.warprecords.com The esteemed and brilliant label Mego has shut up shop at the end of 2005. Don't worry however as it's reopening as Mego Editions. However,this means LAST CHANCE TO BUY current Mego stock at Warpmart before alot of it disappears forever. Go to the browse tab and select Mego to see which titles we have in stock. We will gradually take things off the site and will have no mego stock by the end of the month, so be quick. Mego Editions First Release will be mid January Regards Mart
quoted 46 lines From: "Walkman" <walkman@sutemos.net>>From: "Walkman" <walkman@sutemos.net> >Reply-To: walkman@sutemos.net >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] r.i.p. NEO OUIJA (..and merck/piehead/component) ??? >Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:16:49 +0200 (EET) > >that is the saddest news i've heard this year. >i somehow dont believe its because of the illness... > >Walkman >www.sutemos.net > > > here's the latest label to close-up: > > > > NEO OUIJA :: http://neoouija.co.uk/neo > > > > so, here's the count in the last month: > > > > 1. merck: http://m3rck.net > > 2. piehead: http://pieheadrecords.com > > 3. component: http://componentrecords.com > > 4. neo ouija: http://neoouija.co.uk/neo > > > > @_@ > > > > pietro. > > :: > > DIGITAL::NIMBUS :: Electronic Audio Freakquencies > > KUCI 88.9 FM, Friday Nights 12-3am (PST) > > http://digitalnimbus.com :: http://kuci.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2006-01-10 17:22kiya iamacopier babzani> All american as well, i wonder how much that has to do with it. I find the US > market f
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quoted 3 lines All american as well, i wonder how much that has to do with it. I find the US> All american as well, i wonder how much that has to do with it. I find the US > market for Electronic Music completely non-existent these days. Whereas we are > doing really well in the UK, Europe and Japan,
i totally agree. indie rock killed idm in america. discuss. -kiya --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-10 19:32Adam Piontekkiya iamacopier babzani wrote: >>All american as well, i wonder how much that has to do wi
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kiya iamacopier babzani wrote:
quoted 7 lines All american as well, i wonder how much that has to do with it. I find the US>>All american as well, i wonder how much that has to do with it. I find the US >>market for Electronic Music completely non-existent these days. Whereas we are >>doing really well in the UK, Europe and Japan, > > i totally agree. > indie rock killed idm in america. > discuss.
Maybe. Sorta. IDM is still not for everyone, most people like bands with recognizable instruments. Browse Amazon and you see heavily Pitchfork/Indierock influenced lists of favorites. I also think the economy here in the US has something to do with it. Doesn't anyone else see a link between the popularity of electronic/computer music and the dot-com boom? Now that it's bust, people who would be doing such things have less time/money to do so. But the people who would be picking up guitars and forming bands are still trying to be rock stars. Mind you, I'm not establishing a qualitative judgement between these different camps, just wondering if a booming economy favors one more than the other. -Adam damek.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-11 06:09Scarcelight Recordingsanyone thought about there being a connection between mp3 downloading and inability (by la
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anyone thought about there being a connection between mp3 downloading and inability (by labels) to sale physical product ? we've been saying in the scarcelight newsletter for awhile now that IF you like what you hear when downloading then please buy a hardcopy, it enables labels to continue releasing music. certainly NOT saying that its all there is to it, but it certainly seems to have some part. --- Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote:
quoted 40 lines kiya iamacopier babzani wrote:> kiya iamacopier babzani wrote: > >>All american as well, i wonder how much that has > to do with it. I find the US > >>market for Electronic Music completely > non-existent these days. Whereas we are > >>doing really well in the UK, Europe and Japan, > > > > i totally agree. > > indie rock killed idm in america. > > discuss. > > Maybe. Sorta. IDM is still not for everyone, most > people like bands > with recognizable instruments. Browse Amazon and > you see heavily > Pitchfork/Indierock influenced lists of favorites. > > I also think the economy here in the US has > something to do with it. > Doesn't anyone else see a link between the > popularity of > electronic/computer music and the dot-com boom? Now > that it's bust, > people who would be doing such things have less > time/money to do so. > > But the people who would be picking up guitars and > forming bands are > still trying to be rock stars. > > Mind you, I'm not establishing a qualitative > judgement between these > different camps, just wondering if a booming economy > favors one more > than the other. > > -Adam > damek.org > >
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2006-01-11 08:10Enquiries> anyone thought about there being a connection between > mp3 downloading and inability (b
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quoted 9 lines anyone thought about there being a connection between> anyone thought about there being a connection between > mp3 downloading and inability (by labels) to sale > physical product ? > > we've been saying in the scarcelight newsletter for > awhile now > that IF you like what you hear when downloading then > please buy a hardcopy, it enables labels to continue > releasing music.
Have you heard about Jane Siberry's approach? Her website, complete with open letter regarding "self-determined pricing" can be found at http://www.sheeba.ca/ Cheers, Colin. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-11 08:41Rick Strom>> anyone thought about there being a connection between >> mp3 downloading and inability
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quoted 3 lines anyone thought about there being a connection between>> anyone thought about there being a connection between >> mp3 downloading and inability (by labels) to sale >> physical product ?
I'm really surprised no one has pointed out that a lot of these dying labels have absolutely horrid business sense, and in many cases had become so incestuous it was ridiculous. Hardly an album pressed and offered up for sale anymore isn't by the label owner or one of his former schoolmates. I had typed up a long analysis for this list of the current state of things, back around August or so, but I ended up just sending it off to a friend instead. But among the things I griped about were a number of the labels we expect to bring us great music we'd probably not otherwise be privy to instead delivering the masturbatory crap they or their friends put together. Simultaneously, I saw an audience who had fallen into the same label-lust that the old big labels used to profit from endlessly, and still do I suppose. Discussion on this list and elsewhere seldom involved an artist who wasn't released on one of those precious labels, even though the artists who couldn't get a Merck or Neo Ouija or Skam or certainly Warp to hear them were doing great great stuff. What I predicted was that at some point it would have to give. At some point, the audience would get tired of it, and the labels, too swolen with "god damn we're k3wl" ego would fail to adjust. Want to hear that new XX Records release? Fuck it, their last 5 sucked, I'll download it first. Why take a chance? That's not a very clever prediction. That's exactly what happened with Big Music, just on a much smaller scale. Have a listen to some of the netradio you know about. Sistrum System has gotten really, _really_ good lately, and it didn't surprise me to see that something like 95% of the playlist is coming from netlabels -- free music that couldn't, for whatever reason, find a label to get behind it. Even the Russian music is blowing away the officially released stuff. Russian music! Who would have guessed? Cliqhop has been great too, too. Glowdot is the only one playing the label shit, and its old stuff, and even then that's only because I haven't updated it in 6 months, maybe more. There just hasn't been anything of interest to me. And the netlabel stuff is out there for download, so why stream it really? (especially when Systrum is doing such a good job). The short point is, I guess, let's not fall into that "mp3 killed..." excuse. Its no more true of idm than it was of Brittney Spears. If you feel like the labels are putting out quality albums, you want to support it. You buy it. I always have. If its shit, though.... I'm just done paying for so-and-so's friend's new album. No more. (I am sad to see Merck go, though) -- V, ~Rick Strom Glowdot Productions On Glowfoto: http://users.glowfoto.com/Strom ============================ Photo: http://www.glowfoto.com Music: http://www.glowdot.com Strom: http://www.rick-strom.com Code: http://www.stromcode.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-11 17:17chthonic> anyone thought about there being a connection between > mp3 downloading and inability (b
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quoted 3 lines anyone thought about there being a connection between> anyone thought about there being a connection between > mp3 downloading and inability (by labels) to sale > physical product ?
yes and no. it depends on the people on the downloading side. i had never bought a LOW album until i went to kranky's site and they had a free download of "(that's how you sing) amazing grace". after i heard it once i was looking up the album it was on and sending kranky my money. i must have listened to it another time before i got the CD. same thing happened with downloadable songs from calla and the walkmen. then again, i am not enamored of the mp3 format except as something to stream on my computer at work, to check out things in order to buy the "real" release. i want the other tracks a song goes with, i want artwork, i want lyrics, i want whatever the artist has bundled up with their music to offer it as a complete work. so to me an mp3 is not satisfying in itself. i do not own an ipod, nor do i intend to. for someone who does however, every song is just to feed the beast. i know people working on getting a second ipod because their first one is now too small. once they start accumulating tracks they can't stop - and they're not going to start some kind of file management/backup system or (god forbid) delete anything (at least, not on purpose). i think that mindset, coupled with an indifferent attitude towards having "the real release" and perhaps a bit of crying poor, can lead to rampant downloading and hoarding of free tracks, legal or not. but this is just a hypothesis, based loosely on personal observation. i know millions of people actually pay to download, but i've never met one. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-11 18:06therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net> > yes and no. it depends on the people on the downloading side. i had never > bought a L
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quoted 6 lines yes and no. it depends on the people on the downloading side. i had never> > yes and no. it depends on the people on the downloading side. i had never > bought a LOW > album until i went to kranky's site and they had a free download of "(that's how > you sing) > amazing grace".
I just have to jump in here and say that if you haven't seen the live Low show, GO by all means. On tour in North America right now. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-12 12:51Brian.Power@cso.ieI copy you on the "feeding the beast" near obsessional behaviour inherent in an mp3 player
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I copy you on the "feeding the beast" near obsessional behaviour inherent in an mp3 players owners' day-to-day existence ; and I have previously posted here as to the merits of digital music providers in hastening the demise of electronic/idm music by virtue, ironically, of its "try it before you buy it" music streaming services and ones apathy towards music generally as a result this. Until I had recieved a gift of a 40 GB ipod last Christmas I was receiving the occasional box of CD delights from FE or other [insert mail order shop of choice] retaillers and labels every one or two months. Often I was buying music completely blindly, as in I had never, ever heard it before. I'd often walked, drenched by the relentless Irish rain, for up to an hour to collect bulging packages from the Post Offices sorting office on the outskirts of town. I was like a child, on arriving home, who'd been let loose for a one minute sprint around a sweetshop, grabbing what looked nice on the eye and only sampling for the first time their assorted flavours afterwards, with a mixture of delight and disappointment. But most often delight. So I'd already had about 23 GB's of mp3's on my hard disk before I got a broadband connection last April... And I've about 2 GB's of space left on my 40GB iPod now. Yet I've only bought about 12 or 15 CD's since. It's all become largely web based downloads, whether it be from online digital music providers - subscription (eMusic) or pay as you go (Bleep, Kompakt etc.) - right down to the hit and miss mp3 blog sites, label freebies, podcasts/mixes etc. Sure I've got some form of p2p ftp software on my 'puter aswell, but I exercise extreme control over it's deployment for the download of music, UNLESS there's little or no other choice in sourcing the music digitally i.e. it isn't for sale on the web as an mp3. And I always first try and pay for downloads directly from the labels before hitting the big boy providers. Does the instant gratification of immediate download and subsequent appreciation match up to or equal the anticipation and appreciation of receipt of mail order/store purchased goods ? Kinda... I do still intend to purchase hard copy releases. I do still intend to purchase well encoded mp3's from labels or providers. But I'll probably rarely ever savour again the innocent delight, not to mention the hour long walk (I've since got wheels), over rain soaked streets in super saturated clothing, in picking up the latest treasure chest of mail order CD's from the post offices sorting office. Breathe in deeply this musty whiff of nostalgia people ; for these are the very things we have lost in the firewired-up broadband adulterated digital lifestyle revolution of today. But you could do a lot worse than to pick up Low either live, on disc or even on hard disk as an anecdotal antidote... np - Thuja "Pine Cone Temples" |---------+------------------------------> | | chthonic | | | <chthonic@chthonics| | | treams.com> | | | | | | 11/01/2006 17:17 | | | Please respond to | | | chthonic | | | | |---------+------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: idm@hyperreal.org | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
quoted 3 lines anyone thought about there being a connection between> anyone thought about there being a connection between > mp3 downloading and inability (by labels) to sale > physical product ?
yes and no. it depends on the people on the downloading side. i had never bought a LOW album until i went to kranky's site and they had a free download of "(that's how you sing) amazing grace". after i heard it once i was looking up the album it was on and sending kranky my money. i must have listened to it another time before i got the CD. same thing happened with downloadable songs from calla and the walkmen. then again, i am not enamored of the mp3 format except as something to stream on my computer at work, to check out things in order to buy the "real" release. i want the other tracks a song goes with, i want artwork, i want lyrics, i want whatever the artist has bundled up with their music to offer it as a complete work. so to me an mp3 is not satisfying in itself. i do not own an ipod, nor do i intend to. for someone who does however, every song is just to feed the beast. i know people working on getting a second ipod because their first one is now too small. once they start accumulating tracks they can't stop - and they're not going to start some kind of file management/backup system or (god forbid) delete anything (at least, not on purpose). i think that mindset, coupled with an indifferent attitude towards having "the real release" and perhaps a bit of crying poor, can lead to rampant downloading and hoarding of free tracks, legal or not. but this is just a hypothesis, based loosely on personal observation. i know millions of people actually pay to download, but i've never met one. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-13 08:07David @ AudiobulbI can "feel" your excitement in receiving packages of unsampled music - I have always boug
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I can "feel" your excitement in receiving packages of unsampled music - I have always bought that way too... sometimes because i have read a snippet of a review - but sometimes just because the packaging is so interesting and creative - you think the music will be too..... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Brian.Power@cso.ie> To: <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS
quoted 142 lines I copy you on the "feeding the beast" near obsessional behaviour inherent>I copy you on the "feeding the beast" near obsessional behaviour inherent > in an mp3 players owners' day-to-day existence ; and I have previously > posted here as to the merits of digital music providers in hastening the > demise of electronic/idm music by virtue, ironically, of its "try it > before > you buy it" music streaming services and ones apathy towards music > generally as a result this. > > Until I had recieved a gift of a 40 GB ipod last Christmas I was receiving > the occasional box of CD delights from FE or other [insert mail order shop > of choice] retaillers and labels every one or two months. Often I was > buying music completely blindly, as in I had never, ever heard it before. > I'd often walked, drenched by the relentless Irish rain, for up to an hour > to collect bulging packages from the Post Offices sorting office on the > outskirts of town. I was like a child, on arriving home, who'd been let > loose for a one minute sprint around a sweetshop, grabbing what looked > nice > on the eye and only sampling for the first time their assorted flavours > afterwards, with a mixture of delight and disappointment. But most often > delight. > > So I'd already had about 23 GB's of mp3's on my hard disk before I got a > broadband connection last April... And I've about 2 GB's of space left on > my 40GB iPod now. > > Yet I've only bought about 12 or 15 CD's since. It's all become largely > web > based downloads, whether it be from online digital music providers - > subscription (eMusic) or pay as you go (Bleep, Kompakt etc.) - right down > to the hit and miss mp3 blog sites, label freebies, podcasts/mixes etc. > Sure I've got some form of p2p ftp software on my 'puter aswell, but I > exercise extreme control over it's deployment for the download of music, > UNLESS there's little or no other choice in sourcing the music digitally > i.e. it isn't for sale on the web as an mp3. And I always first try and > pay > for downloads directly from the labels before hitting the big boy > providers. > > Does the instant gratification of immediate download and subsequent > appreciation match up to or equal the anticipation and appreciation of > receipt of mail order/store purchased goods ? Kinda... > > I do still intend to purchase hard copy releases. I do still intend to > purchase well encoded mp3's from labels or providers. But I'll probably > rarely ever savour again the innocent delight, not to mention the hour > long > walk (I've since got wheels), over rain soaked streets in super saturated > clothing, in picking up the latest treasure chest of mail order CD's from > the post offices sorting office. > > Breathe in deeply this musty whiff of nostalgia people ; for these are the > very things we have lost in the firewired-up broadband adulterated digital > lifestyle revolution of today. > > But you could do a lot worse than to pick up Low either live, on disc or > even on hard disk as an anecdotal antidote... > > np - Thuja "Pine Cone Temples" > > > |---------+------------------------------> > | | chthonic | > | | <chthonic@chthonics| > | | treams.com> | > | | | > | | 11/01/2006 17:17 | > | | Please respond to | > | | chthonic | > | | | > |---------+------------------------------> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | > | > | To: idm@hyperreal.org > | > | cc: > | > | Subject: Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS > | > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > >> anyone thought about there being a connection between >> mp3 downloading and inability (by labels) to sale >> physical product ? > > yes and no. it depends on the people on the downloading side. i had > never > bought a LOW > album until i went to kranky's site and they had a free download of > "(that's how you sing) > amazing grace". after i heard it once i was looking up the album it was > on > and sending > kranky my money. i must have listened to it another time before i got the > CD. same thing > happened with downloadable songs from calla and the walkmen. > > then again, i am not enamored of the mp3 format except as something to > stream on my > computer at work, to check out things in order to buy the "real" release. > i want the other > tracks a song goes with, i want artwork, i want lyrics, i want whatever > the > artist has bundled > up with their music to offer it as a complete work. so to me an mp3 is > not > satisfying in itself. > i do not own an ipod, nor do i intend to. > > for someone who does however, every song is just to feed the beast. i > know > people working > on getting a second ipod because their first one is now too small. once > they start > accumulating tracks they can't stop - and they're not going to start some > kind of file > management/backup system or (god forbid) delete anything (at least, not on > purpose). i > think that mindset, coupled with an indifferent attitude towards having > "the real release" and > perhaps a bit of crying poor, can lead to rampant downloading and hoarding > of free tracks, > legal or not. but this is just a hypothesis, based loosely on personal > observation. i know > millions of people actually pay to download, but i've never met one. > > > d. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >
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2006-01-13 16:44Cory O'BrienI have to second this. This is still the only way that I buy music. The only time I've eve
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I have to second this. This is still the only way that I buy music. The only time I've ever even used iTunes music store was to get Pedro Infante's version of "Senderito de Amor" that was on the Our Lady of the Assassin's soundtrack. I too have noticed the disturbing trend of labels only releasing stuff that their buddies made. I remember on Tigerbeat6's website, about 2 years ago, The demo policy read something like, "you can send it in, but we really only release stuff that we and our friends make, so don't bother". That is not a direct quote, but you get the idea. But... on the other hand, I realize that these technologies are very new; And all this is possibly an initial reaction to these new abilities that the internet's give us. I hate to sound like a fortune cookie, but I think that all this will level off in about 5 years; And we'll begin to a new system emerge that has all these elements integrated in it. And as for the labels only releasing their buddies; There is a very wise, very old saying in my parts that goes, "Shit roles downhill". haha Cory ------------------------------------- http://myosound.com http://clouds-out.myosound.com On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:07 AM, David @ Audiobulb wrote:
quoted 4 lines I can "feel" your excitement in receiving packages of unsampled music> I can "feel" your excitement in receiving packages of unsampled music > - I have always bought that way too... sometimes because i have read a > snippet of a review - but sometimes just because the packaging is so > interesting and creative - you think the music will be too.....
quoted 191 lines ----- Original Message ----- From: <Brian.Power@cso.ie>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Brian.Power@cso.ie> > To: <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:51 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS > > >> I copy you on the "feeding the beast" near obsessional behaviour >> inherent >> in an mp3 players owners' day-to-day existence ; and I have previously >> posted here as to the merits of digital music providers in hastening >> the >> demise of electronic/idm music by virtue, ironically, of its "try it >> before >> you buy it" music streaming services and ones apathy towards music >> generally as a result this. >> >> Until I had recieved a gift of a 40 GB ipod last Christmas I was >> receiving >> the occasional box of CD delights from FE or other [insert mail order >> shop >> of choice] retaillers and labels every one or two months. Often I was >> buying music completely blindly, as in I had never, ever heard it >> before. >> I'd often walked, drenched by the relentless Irish rain, for up to an >> hour >> to collect bulging packages from the Post Offices sorting office on >> the >> outskirts of town. I was like a child, on arriving home, who'd been >> let >> loose for a one minute sprint around a sweetshop, grabbing what >> looked nice >> on the eye and only sampling for the first time their assorted >> flavours >> afterwards, with a mixture of delight and disappointment. But most >> often >> delight. >> >> So I'd already had about 23 GB's of mp3's on my hard disk before I >> got a >> broadband connection last April... And I've about 2 GB's of space >> left on >> my 40GB iPod now. >> >> Yet I've only bought about 12 or 15 CD's since. It's all become >> largely web >> based downloads, whether it be from online digital music providers - >> subscription (eMusic) or pay as you go (Bleep, Kompakt etc.) - right >> down >> to the hit and miss mp3 blog sites, label freebies, podcasts/mixes >> etc. >> Sure I've got some form of p2p ftp software on my 'puter aswell, but I >> exercise extreme control over it's deployment for the download of >> music, >> UNLESS there's little or no other choice in sourcing the music >> digitally >> i.e. it isn't for sale on the web as an mp3. And I always first try >> and pay >> for downloads directly from the labels before hitting the big boy >> providers. >> >> Does the instant gratification of immediate download and subsequent >> appreciation match up to or equal the anticipation and appreciation of >> receipt of mail order/store purchased goods ? Kinda... >> >> I do still intend to purchase hard copy releases. I do still intend to >> purchase well encoded mp3's from labels or providers. But I'll >> probably >> rarely ever savour again the innocent delight, not to mention the >> hour long >> walk (I've since got wheels), over rain soaked streets in super >> saturated >> clothing, in picking up the latest treasure chest of mail order CD's >> from >> the post offices sorting office. >> >> Breathe in deeply this musty whiff of nostalgia people ; for these >> are the >> very things we have lost in the firewired-up broadband adulterated >> digital >> lifestyle revolution of today. >> >> But you could do a lot worse than to pick up Low either live, on disc >> or >> even on hard disk as an anecdotal antidote... >> >> np - Thuja "Pine Cone Temples" >> >> >> |---------+------------------------------> >> | | chthonic | >> | | <chthonic@chthonics| >> | | treams.com> | >> | | | >> | | 11/01/2006 17:17 | >> | | Please respond to | >> | | chthonic | >> | | | >> |---------+------------------------------> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---------------------------------------------------------| >> | | >> | To: idm@hyperreal.org | >> | cc: | >> | Subject: Re: [idm] r.i.p. SMALL LABELS | >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---------------------------------------------------------| >> >> >> >> >>> anyone thought about there being a connection between >>> mp3 downloading and inability (by labels) to sale >>> physical product ? >> >> yes and no. it depends on the people on the downloading side. i had >> never >> bought a LOW >> album until i went to kranky's site and they had a free download of >> "(that's how you sing) >> amazing grace". after i heard it once i was looking up the album it >> was on >> and sending >> kranky my money. i must have listened to it another time before i >> got the >> CD. same thing >> happened with downloadable songs from calla and the walkmen. >> >> then again, i am not enamored of the mp3 format except as something to >> stream on my >> computer at work, to check out things in order to buy the "real" >> release. >> i want the other >> tracks a song goes with, i want artwork, i want lyrics, i want >> whatever the >> artist has bundled >> up with their music to offer it as a complete work. so to me an mp3 >> is not >> satisfying in itself. >> i do not own an ipod, nor do i intend to. >> >> for someone who does however, every song is just to feed the beast. >> i know >> people working >> on getting a second ipod because their first one is now too small. >> once >> they start >> accumulating tracks they can't stop - and they're not going to start >> some >> kind of file >> management/backup system or (god forbid) delete anything (at least, >> not on >> purpose). i >> think that mindset, coupled with an indifferent attitude towards >> having >> "the real release" and >> perhaps a bit of crying poor, can lead to rampant downloading and >> hoarding >> of free tracks, >> legal or not. but this is just a hypothesis, based loosely on >> personal >> observation. i know >> millions of people actually pay to download, but i've never met one. >> >> >> d. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
2006-01-13 16:52EnquiriesMy favourite small label has to be Spekk - apart from the quality of the music, the packag
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My favourite small label has to be Spekk - apart from the quality of the music, the packaging is an absolute delight. Similarly Raster Noton, Rune Grammofon, Burial Mix, SamadhiSound and, for a while, Jazzland. Most of their output is a pleasure to hold, handle and examine whilst you listen. I'd rather own the physical product by far than download the mp3. Innovative packaging is one bulwark against P2P. ATB, C. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-13 18:38Adam PiontekCory O'Brien wrote: > I too have noticed the disturbing trend of labels only releasing stu
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quoted 5 lines I too have noticed the disturbing trend of labels only releasing stuff> I too have noticed the disturbing trend of labels only releasing stuff > that their buddies made. I remember on Tigerbeat6's website, about 2 > years ago, The demo policy read something like, "you can send it in, > but we really only release stuff that we and our friends make, so don't > bother". That is not a direct quote, but you get the idea.
Something occurs to me regarding this. "You can too!" Start a label and release yours and your buddies' music. Probably best to do a netlabel. This is the age of electronic empowerment after all, isn't it? *sigh* The trouble is getting people to know about it, I imagine. -Adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org