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2004-12-05 20:51Ed Colmar [idm] Proper venue for IDM listening
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2004-12-05 20:51Ed ColmarI performed last night at a three room warehouse party in oakland. There was a ton of blee
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I performed last night at a three room warehouse party in oakland. There was a ton of bleed from the other two rooms into the IDM oriented room. I felt this killed a lot of the subtelty of the music, and really discouraged listening. At least with my stuff, there is a lot of work with silence, and crevices... All of which are lost and meaningless when other soundsystems are taking up the aural space.... How do other people feel about this? How do other artists/promoters deal with it? -ed Ed Colmar Time Slips By www.timeslipsby.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-12-05 20:53precursoron 12/5/04 3:51 PM, Ed Colmar at ed@greengraphics.net wrote: > > I performed last night at
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on 12/5/04 3:51 PM, Ed Colmar at ed@greengraphics.net wrote:
quoted 24 lines I performed last night at a three room warehouse party in oakland. There> > I performed last night at a three room warehouse party in oakland. There > was a ton of bleed from the other two rooms into the IDM oriented room. I > felt this killed a lot of the subtelty of the music, and really > discouraged listening. > > At least with my stuff, there is a lot of work with silence, and > crevices... All of which are lost and meaningless when other soundsystems > are taking up the aural space.... > > How do other people feel about this? How do other artists/promoters deal > with it? > > -ed > > Ed Colmar > Time Slips By > www.timeslipsby.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
it always pays to go down to the event prior to its opening to scope out the details such as this and possibly change certain things to your advantage...as they say "better be safe than sorry"... I know it sucks(along with my "reply") but theres really no one to blame, well except the promoters who usually don't know shit anyways. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-12-06 17:32dj med, sorry about that. that area has never before been used as a full-blown room so no one
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ed, sorry about that. that area has never before been used as a full-blown room so no one knew quite what to expect. now i know it gets a fair bit of sound bleed, gets colder than a witch's ta-ta and is close enough to the street that we can't really crank the system, i think i'd turn down a second offer to do a room in there. as far as prevention/preparedness, it's basically about picking and choosing your venues and sound engineers based on first-hand experience. and perhaps investing in some heavyweight portable sound walls =] live and learn..... i did enjoy your set though! ez dave --- precursor <precursor@optonline.net> wrote:
quoted 31 lines on 12/5/04 3:51 PM, Ed Colmar at> on 12/5/04 3:51 PM, Ed Colmar at > ed@greengraphics.net wrote: > > > > > I performed last night at a three room warehouse > party in oakland. There > > was a ton of bleed from the other two rooms into > the IDM oriented room. I > > felt this killed a lot of the subtelty of the > music, and really > > discouraged listening. > > > > At least with my stuff, there is a lot of work > with silence, and > > crevices... All of which are lost and meaningless > when other soundsystems > > are taking up the aural space.... > > > > How do other people feel about this? How do other > artists/promoters deal > > with it? > > > > -ed > > > > Ed Colmar > > Time Slips By > > www.timeslipsby.com > > > > > > >
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2004-12-06 21:47Ed ColmarThanks for all the replies! Hey Dave! Didn't know you were on here... We did not realize t
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Thanks for all the replies! Hey Dave! Didn't know you were on here... We did not realize that it would be so important to our performance... We spent a few hours afterwords analysing it and picking it apart to come up with the bleed as being the number one issue with the set. Since our music uses bits of silence, and tons of dynamic range, being able to hit the 0db level, allows it to hit louder and harder at the peaks... Instead, when the silences came, you were instantly transported back into the party (between two rooms), breaking all of the immersion... Though some people were dillegent enough listeners to get in between the stacks, and intentionally ignore the bleed, for the majority of the crowd, this was not the case. Definetly we will have to be more critical of where we play, because the music simply was not effective in accomplishing it's mission.
quoted 1 line live and learn..... i did enjoy your set though!> live and learn..... i did enjoy your set though!
Thanks! We had fun too, and learned a lot! Ed Colmar Time Slips By www.timeslipsby.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-12-06 15:09Mark Schieldrop> I performed last night at a three room warehouse party in oakland. There > was a ton of
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quoted 4 lines I performed last night at a three room warehouse party in oakland. There> I performed last night at a three room warehouse party in oakland. There > was a ton of bleed from the other two rooms into the IDM oriented room. I > felt this killed a lot of the subtelty of the music, and really > discouraged listening.
I've never been a fan of multiple-room clubs or venues. There are a number of them where I live and I find that what usually happens, the atmosphere in each is pretty half-assed. I'd much rather each performer or the venue itself focus on a single act. If you don't like the act, leave. Just like when a restaurant has a 25 page menu in an effort to please everyone, the quality of the experience is at risk of diminishing significantly. A restaurant succeeds when it has a menu that highlights what they're best at and the kitchen isn't overextended. You, my friend, should have had the state to yourself. I understand the reasoning behind having venues with multiple acts, and I hate to say it, the average club rat looking to get high and watch girls kiss each other could probably care less about the aural integrity of your set and promoters realize this. Just be glad you're actually able to play on stage and haven't yet been replaced by a video feed out of a clearchannel broadcast booth. I haven't had my morning coffee yet. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-12-06 16:19n3wjackOn Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:51:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Colmar <ed@greengraphics.net> wrote: > > I per
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On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:51:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Colmar <ed@greengraphics.net> wrote:
quoted 12 lines I performed last night at a three room warehouse party in oakland. There> > I performed last night at a three room warehouse party in oakland. There > was a ton of bleed from the other two rooms into the IDM oriented room. I > felt this killed a lot of the subtelty of the music, and really > discouraged listening. > > At least with my stuff, there is a lot of work with silence, and > crevices... All of which are lost and meaningless when other soundsystems > are taking up the aural space.... > > How do other people feel about this? How do other artists/promoters deal > with it?
Play a really fucking loud set on gigs like this perhaps? *evil grin* -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.blogspot.com http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-12-06 16:45chthonic streams>On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:51:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Colmar ><ed@greengraphics.net> wrote: >> >> I
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quoted 16 lines On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:51:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Colmar>On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:51:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Colmar ><ed@greengraphics.net> wrote: >> >> I performed last night at a three room warehouse party in oakland. There >> was a ton of bleed from the other two rooms into the IDM oriented room. I >> felt this killed a lot of the subtelty of the music, and really >> discouraged listening. >> >> At least with my stuff, there is a lot of work with silence, and >> crevices... All of which are lost and meaningless when other soundsystems >> are taking up the aural space.... >> >> How do other people feel about this? How do other artists/promoters deal >> with it? > >Play a really fucking loud set on gigs like this perhaps? *evil grin*
what if he's just not that type of artist? are people supposed to completely change their style just to play live under these conditions? obviously promoters need to address these issues, as the live idm question has come up again and again on this list. for now, i would just say, stay away from multi-room venues unless the rooms are in no way adjacent to one another. or to a loud bar next door. if you can't do your art effectively, it's diminished and so may be people's impressions of it. perhaps a good thing to get in on for quieter music would be art gallery openings and installations. i just saw one with grundik & slava doing the sound a few days ago: http://echoplex.blogspot.com (see the post "i tried to get to you") d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-12-07 03:38xenlab.ezrpm> Play a really fucking loud set on gigs like this perhaps? *evil grin* I second that. In
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quoted 1 line Play a really fucking loud set on gigs like this perhaps? *evil grin*> Play a really fucking loud set on gigs like this perhaps? *evil grin*
I second that. In times like these, pull out some vsnares or grind the pa to a pulp. but then again, i clear rooms with dj sets from time to time, so maybe i'm not the best one to ask. mad love, .eric * * *xenlab (music) { * / .nfo + d.load =/ http://xenlab.ezrpm.com/ <http://xenlab.ezrpm.com> *}* n3wjack wrote:
quoted 21 lines On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:51:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Colmar <ed@greengraphics.net> wrote:>On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:51:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Colmar <ed@greengraphics.net> wrote: > > >>I performed last night at a three room warehouse party in oakland. There >>was a ton of bleed from the other two rooms into the IDM oriented room. I >>felt this killed a lot of the subtelty of the music, and really >>discouraged listening. >> >>At least with my stuff, there is a lot of work with silence, and >>crevices... All of which are lost and meaningless when other soundsystems >>are taking up the aural space.... >> >>How do other people feel about this? How do other artists/promoters deal >>with it? >> >> > >Play a really fucking loud set on gigs like this perhaps? *evil grin* > > >
2004-12-07 03:55Andrew Duke Cognition AudioworksOn Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:51:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Colmar <ed@greengraphics.net> wrote: >> >> >>>
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On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:51:05 -0800 (PST), Ed Colmar <ed@greengraphics.net> wrote:
quoted 18 lines I performed last night at a three room warehouse party in oakland.>> >> >>> I performed last night at a three room warehouse party in oakland. >>> There >>> was a ton of bleed from the other two rooms into the IDM oriented >>> room. I >>> felt this killed a lot of the subtelty of the music, and really >>> discouraged listening. >>> >>> At least with my stuff, there is a lot of work with silence, and >>> crevices... All of which are lost and meaningless when other >>> soundsystems >>> are taking up the aural space.... >>> >>> How do other people feel about this? How do other artists/promoters >>> deal >>> with it? >>
Ed: I'm lucky enough to play out live very often and thus have experience in a variety of situations. I try to suss things out at soundcheck and try to do a set that works with the space (or if you don't get a soundcheck, suss things out when you show up at the venue before going on). ie on a recent tour a couple of the gigs had absolute shit sound systems, so I played less tracks with bass cos I knew they'd sound like shit anyway. And at venues where I planned on doing something quieter, when I saw (in the time before I went on) that the crowd weren't really there for the music (more to socialize/drink), I changed my game plan. At events where it is loud (people talking, drinking, moving about, etc), I'll play more rhythmic/louder stuff, whereas in an art gallery space or a place where people are paying attention to the music and not talking louder than it, I'll take advantage of that and play my quieter/ambient/listening type of stuff. So maybe save your work with silences for the art galleries and listening oriented spaces where those there will appreciate it and for warehouses and parties play more "full" material. Playing quiet music in a noisey space will only lead to frustation on your part and the flip of that can lead to frustration on the crowd's side (though sometimes that is a good thing! :)) Hope this helps. Take care and good luck with the future sets, Ed. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-12-06 17:26David Sim>>> At least with my stuff, there is a lot of work with silence, and >>> crevices... All o
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quoted 11 lines At least with my stuff, there is a lot of work with silence, and>>> At least with my stuff, there is a lot of work with silence, and >>> crevices... All of which are lost and meaningless when other soundsystems >>> are taking up the aural space.... >>> How do other people feel about this? How do other artists/promoters deal >>> with it? >> >> Play a really fucking loud set on gigs like this perhaps? *evil > > what if he's just not that type of artist? are people supposed to > completely change their style just to play live under these > conditions?
To an extent... the situation here is an extreme (if all too common) case, but unless you're a really big name with hundreds of attentive fans, the live situation isn't going to be as perfect for listening as someone sitting at home with big headphones on - if your music needs that sort of environment to work[1] then you may have to alter it somewhat in a real-world live situation. David [1] and I know that this isn't what the OP said. This message has been scanned but we cannot guarantee that it and any attachments are free from viruses or other damaging content: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.