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2004-02-03 18:40chthonic RE: [idm] swinging artistes
├─ 2004-02-03 19:08Greg Clow RE: [idm] swinging artistes
│ └─ 2004-02-03 19:14Kent williams RE: [idm] swinging artistes
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└─ 2004-02-04 06:46gureggu 騒動 RE: [idm] swinging artistes
2004-02-03 19:29chthonic RE: [idm] swinging artistes
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2004-02-03 20:48seeklektek Re: [idm] swinging artistes
└─ 2004-02-04 06:59chthonic streams Re: [idm] swinging artistes (bowie, O/T)
2004-02-03 20:49seeklektek Re: [idm] swinging artistes
2004-02-04 03:08EggyToast RE: [idm] swinging artistes
2004-02-04 03:32nick filth RE: [idm] swinging artistes
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2004-02-03 18:40chthonic---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Nelson, Mark" <Mark.
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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Nelson, Mark" <Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:29:30 -0800
quoted 1 line Great - now we're dropping sources on which way our favorite>Great - now we're dropping sources on which way our favorite
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quoted 1 line swing. Next thing I'm going to hear is that David Bowie used to>swing. Next thing I'm going to hear is that David Bowie used to
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quoted 1 line around in gay clubs and then I'll have to go burn my Ziggy>around in gay clubs and then I'll have to go burn my Ziggy
Stardust
quoted 1 line stuff!>stuff!
you're joking right? of course he hung out in gay clubs in the early 70's. the whole ziggy stardust period and just prior was his big bid for stardom using bisexuality as another level of outrageousness. pity he downplayed it so much later when he wanted to prove he was just "a regular guy" in a bid for even bigger stardom and sales to middle america.
quoted 1 line Seriously - when you're laying down great art, it doesn't matter>Seriously - when you're laying down great art, it doesn't matter
who you're buggering. amen to that. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-02-03 19:08Greg ClowAt 01:40 PM 03/02/04, chthonic wrote: > >Great - now we're dropping sources on which way o
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At 01:40 PM 03/02/04, chthonic wrote:
quoted 11 lines Great - now we're dropping sources on which way our favorite> >Great - now we're dropping sources on which way our favorite >artists > >swing. Next thing I'm going to hear is that David Bowie used to >hang > >around in gay clubs and then I'll have to go burn my Ziggy >Stardust > >stuff! > >you're joking right? of course he hung out in gay clubs in the early >70's. the whole ziggy stardust period and just prior was his big bid >for stardom using bisexuality as another level of outrageousness.
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2004-02-03 19:14Kent williamseff the effing effers anyway. For all X, i've heard X is gay. I've also heard that X is a
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eff the effing effers anyway. For all X, i've heard X is gay. I've also heard that X is a collossal asshole, and that X is the greatest person now living among us. All of which is irrelevant. Great artists aren't necessarily who you wish they were, or expect they are, etc. On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Greg Clow wrote:
quoted 16 lines At 01:40 PM 03/02/04, chthonic wrote:> At 01:40 PM 03/02/04, chthonic wrote: > > > >Great - now we're dropping sources on which way our favorite > >artists > > >swing. Next thing I'm going to hear is that David Bowie used to > >hang > > >around in gay clubs and then I'll have to go burn my Ziggy > >Stardust > > >stuff! > > > >you're joking right? of course he hung out in gay clubs in the early > >70's. the whole ziggy stardust period and just prior was his big bid > >for stardom using bisexuality as another level of outrageousness. > > Did you hear a "whoosh" above your head just before you wrote this? >
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2004-02-04 01:24l.garcia@utoronto.caOn Tue, 3 Feb 2004, chthonic wrote: > >Seriously - when you're laying down great art, it d
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, chthonic wrote:
quoted 4 lines Seriously - when you're laying down great art, it doesn't matter> >Seriously - when you're laying down great art, it doesn't matter > who you're buggering. > > amen to that.
While I agree with the sentiment, I'd like to think that sexuality *does* matter in some way. My sexuality informs the way I create and respond to music, and I certainly wouldn't want that part of my identity erased in the name of egalitarianism. This whole anti/essentialism debate is already pretty tired in queer theory, I admit, but it's still something to consider. Does art transcend its contexts? cheers, Luis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-02-04 06:46gureggu 騒動l.garcia@utoronto.ca wrote: While I agree with the sentiment, I'd like to think that sexua
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l.garcia@utoronto.ca wrote: While I agree with the sentiment, I'd like to think that sexuality *does* matter in some way. My sexuality informs the way I create and respond to music, and I certainly wouldn't want that part of my identity erased in the name of egalitarianism. This whole anti/essentialism debate is already pretty tired in queer theory, I admit, but it's still something to consider. Does art transcend its contexts? cheers, Luis perhaps we should ask terre thaemlitz... 騒動グレッグ --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! BB is Broadband by Yahoo! http://bb.yahoo.co.jp/
2004-02-03 19:29chthonic---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Greg Clow <greg@stain
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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Greg Clow <greg@stainedproductions.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:08:55 -0500
quoted 6 lines Next thing I'm going to hear is that David Bowie used to>> >Next thing I'm going to hear is that David Bowie used to >>hang >> >around in gay clubs and then I'll have to go burn my Ziggy >>Stardust stuff! >> >>you're joking right? of course he hung out in gay clubs in the
early 70's. the whole ziggy stardust period and just prior was his big bid for stardom using bisexuality as another level of outrageousness.
quoted 2 lines Did you hear a "whoosh" above your head just before you wrote> >Did you hear a "whoosh" above your head just before you wrote
this? gee, greg. no need to be so snarky. i was just throwing it out there in case of homophobia, whether from the author or anyone else here. i was also soapboxing a bit about bowie's subsequent gay denials, which you didn't quote. even if someone seems like they might be joking, sometimes they aren't. on one dark music e-list someone said, no joke, that he was upset that people on the list were insulting douglas pearce by saying he was gay. i bet he really did go and burn his death in june records once everyone set him straight (pun only half-intended). d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-02-03 19:42hime@charter.net> eff the effing effers anyway. For all X, i've heard X is gay. You hear it a lot more whe
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quoted 1 line eff the effing effers anyway. For all X, i've heard X is gay.> eff the effing effers anyway. For all X, i've heard X is gay.
You hear it a lot more when you actually *ARE* gay... from gay people desperate for role models and inspirations. So suddenly, everyone's in the closet! We got a long way to go. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-02-03 20:48seeklektekFrom: "chthonic" > From: "Nelson, Mark" > >Great - now we're dropping sources on which way
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quoted 1 line From: "Nelson, Mark"> From: "Nelson, Mark"
quoted 7 lines Great - now we're dropping sources on which way our favorite> >Great - now we're dropping sources on which way our favorite > artists > >swing. Next thing I'm going to hear is that David Bowie used to > hang > >around in gay clubs and then I'll have to go burn my Ziggy > Stardust > >stuff!
quoted 6 lines you're joking right? of course he hung out in gay clubs in the early> you're joking right? of course he hung out in gay clubs in the early > 70's. the whole ziggy stardust period and just prior was his big bid > for stardom using bisexuality as another level of outrageousness. > pity he downplayed it so much later when he wanted to prove he > was just "a regular guy" in a bid for even bigger stardom and sales > to middle america.
Wrong 'em, boyo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bowie has ~far~ from "downplayed" his bisexuality. This is from an article published last Friday, Jan. 23rd, 2004: "At 57, he's as Establishment as can be, although he recently reassured an interviewer that he remains "a limey, bisexual communist." " http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2001841788_bowie23.html And that's the soft, pink truth of the matter. seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-02-04 06:59chthonic streams"seeklektek" <eclectics@comcast.net> >Wrong 'em, boyo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Bowie has ~far
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quoted 13 lines Wrong 'em, boyo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>Wrong 'em, boyo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Bowie has ~far~ from "downplayed" his bisexuality. > >This is from an article published last Friday, Jan. 23rd, 2004: > >"At 57, he's as Establishment as can be, >although he recently reassured an interviewer that he remains >"a limey, bisexual communist." " > >http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2001841788_bowie23.html > >And that's the soft, pink truth of the matter.
well,that's the truth *this year*. bowie is the quintessential chameleon. he says that now because it suits him to say it now. in the late 70's and early 80's he made clear attempts to downplay his wilder past, one notable example being his bing crosby duet, in which he did his best to appear as "normal" as possible. from the various articles and biogs i've read, by the time of "serious moonlight tour" he was making statements to the effect of the bisexual issue being blown out of proportion. since then, times have changed, his career's gone through several upheavals, and perhaps he now feels like it's alright to admit that again. he's a person who's always been very much in control of his image, and that includes everything he says in interviews. "nick filth" <human-albino-worm@priest.com> wrote:
quoted 4 lines i dont really think that david bowie being gay (or bi) had anything>i dont really think that david bowie being gay (or bi) had anything >to do with him becoming a star or famous. i think many people go >through questioning their sexuality in their lives, especially in >the seventies right after a marking point in sexual revolution.
there was a fairly big turning point in the type and amount of coverage he got after saying he was gay in a 1973 interview. i'm not discounting what you're saying about the rest of it, but i think he saw this bubbling under and seized upon it. it all became a part of the outrageous ziggy persona. the interview quotes that turn up in 'alias david bowie' say he was asked if he was "gay", and he said "yes," he always was, "even when i was david jones." the story changes slightly in an interview i read with him in the 80's when he said he told the interviewer he was bisexual and the guy looked at him horrified, as though he'd never heard of such a thing. bowie added that he thought the journalist must have been thinking "oh god, this guy's got a cock and a cunt" (those are the words bowie chose). i don't condemn bowie for doing these things. we all go through phases in our lives, and sometimes we may not feel like dealing with all these issues 24/7. i agree that sexuality does have some bearing on one's art, but at some point it must become tiresome to discuss it from that perspective constantly. it's just sad that as a by-product of this, he has at times seemed to abandon the audience that helped make him famous: the closeted homosexuals, the bicurious or confused, the outright freaks. of course, in any of these cases there's always the possibility of misquoting. fortunately, he is at the very least musically back on track with 'reality', as far as i'm concerned. and that's the main thing that matters. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-02-03 20:49seeklektekFrom: "Kent williams" > eff the effing effers anyway. For all X, i've heard X is gay. > I'
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quoted 3 lines eff the effing effers anyway. For all X, i've heard X is gay.> eff the effing effers anyway. For all X, i've heard X is gay. > I've also heard that X is a collossal asshole, and that X is the greatest > person now living among us.
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2004-02-04 03:08EggyToastAt 08:24 PM 2/3/2004, you wrote: >On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, chthonic wrote: > > > >Seriously - w
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At 08:24 PM 2/3/2004, you wrote:
quoted 14 lines On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, chthonic wrote:>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, chthonic wrote: > > > >Seriously - when you're laying down great art, it doesn't matter > > who you're buggering. > > > > amen to that. > > >While I agree with the sentiment, I'd like to think that sexuality *does* >matter in some way. My sexuality informs the way I create and respond to >music, and I certainly wouldn't want that part of my identity erased in >the name of egalitarianism. This whole anti/essentialism debate is >already pretty tired in queer theory, I admit, but it's still something to >consider. Does art transcend its contexts?
I know if I was a chick, I'd probably like Funky Porcini's otherwise fantastic "hed phone sex" album a lot less. ;D derek -- eggytoast.com -- eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-02-04 03:32nick filth> At 01:40 PM 03/02/04, chthonic wrote: > > > >Great - now we're dropping sources on which
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quoted 14 lines At 01:40 PM 03/02/04, chthonic wrote:> At 01:40 PM 03/02/04, chthonic wrote: > > > >Great - now we're dropping sources on which way our favorite > >artists > > >swing. Next thing I'm going to hear is that David Bowie used to > >hang > > >around in gay clubs and then I'll have to go burn my Ziggy > >Stardust > > >stuff! > > > >you're joking right? of course he hung out in gay clubs in the early > >70's. the whole ziggy stardust period and just prior was his big bid > >for stardom using bisexuality as another level of outrageousness. >
i dont really think that david bowie being gay (or bi) had anything to do with him becoming a star or famous. i think many people go through questioning their sexuality in their lives, especially in the seventies right after a marking point in sexual revolution. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org