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[idm] Record labels send ISPs subpoenas in piracy battle

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2003-07-21 02:44lysaabi [idm] Record labels send ISPs subpoenas in piracy battle
2003-07-21 04:13lysaabi [idm] Record labels send ISPs subpoenas in piracy battle
└─ 2003-07-21 14:52EggyToast Re: [idm] Record labels send ISPs subpoenas in piracy battle
2003-07-21 14:59component Re: [idm] Record labels send ISPs subpoenas in piracy battle
└─ 2003-07-21 15:54Brandon Smith Re: [idm] Record labels send ISPs subpoenas in piracy battle
2003-07-22 06:11lysaabi Re: [idm] Record labels send ISPs subpoenas in piracy battle
2003-07-23 21:47gerald wenzel [idm] Record labels send ISPs subpoenas in piracy battle
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2003-07-21 02:44lysaabihoo wah! http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/18/music.riaa.reut/index.html ----------
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hoo wah! http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/18/music.riaa.reut/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-07-21 04:13lysaabiI only briefly looked at the article, but they requested information in order to identify
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I only briefly looked at the article, but they requested information in order to identify the people who downloaded the most. Those people will be sued. I don't think it's been revealed yet what the threshold is that will separate those who get sued, and those who don't. They've got to keep the number of people they sue small enough so as not to create a wave of public sympathy for the defendants. I think the goal is to spend a minimum on legal fees in order to make example of a few people, so that others become afraid to download for threat of litigation.
quoted 3 lines Mupetblast@aol.com wrote:> Mupetblast@aol.com wrote: > > > so what does everyone think of this? It seems to me they need to distinguish from swapping your own stuff, or label permission granted swapping of their stuff FROM the big league shit. How easy will that be to do? Sure the industry is too big, but do they not have a legitimate gripe?
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2003-07-21 14:52EggyToastlysaabi said: > I only briefly looked at the article, but they requested information > in
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lysaabi said:
quoted 9 lines I only briefly looked at the article, but they requested information> I only briefly looked at the article, but they requested information > in order to identify the people who downloaded the most. Those people > will be sued. I don't think it's been revealed yet what the threshold > is that will separate those who get sued, and those who don't. They've > got to keep the number of people they sue small enough so as not to > create a wave of public sympathy for the defendants. I think the goal > is to spend a minimum on legal fees in order to make example of a few > people, so that others become afraid to download for threat of > litigation.
It also looks like most people have been able to make some sort of settlement for significantly less than the actual charge, probably so that RIAA actually gets the money. Settling for 15k is quite a bit better than getting slapped with a federal felony (dur!) and getting up to 5 yrs in jail. I really don't get why copyright infringement is on par with treason, though. derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-07-21 14:59componentBecause the RIAA are a powerful lobbying group. Actually, they are pretty damn evil too. R
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Because the RIAA are a powerful lobbying group. Actually, they are pretty damn evil too. Rob! ::::::Component Records::::::: Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 www.componentrecords.com
quoted 10 lines I really don't get why copyright infringement is on par with treason, though.> I really don't get why copyright infringement is on par with treason, though. > > derek > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2003-07-21 15:54Brandon SmithAs far as IDM goes, with the nature of a lot of artists wanting to share their work, I hav
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As far as IDM goes, with the nature of a lot of artists wanting to share their work, I have yet to read a convincing (actually ANY) statement by the RIAA illustrating how they plan to differentiate willing / unwilling sharing as well as the legitimacy of named files. The IDM community ought to be very interested in this. If someone really does want to fight this all they would have to do is set up a large network of fake top 10 files filled with noise (remember when Madonna did that?), and get the word out to make it public knowledge (try to get their identifications as close to the original as possible). Get as many p2p nodes to share the fake files as possible and this will create a situation where having a person on a list as sharing (c) material is meaningless as so many fakes are out there. In fact, forces in the record labels put those "trojan horses" out over the years - how could they now punish someone for "keeping those trojan horses shared to full others into downloading unauthorized material in order to full people who want to steal music - see RIAA, I'm on your side!" This would create a climate where having a name assocoated with a (c) file is legally meaningless (if it isn't already) and thus these 10000 name lists would have no legal validity. As such for the RIAA to tighten screws they would have to actually download material they suspect which would create a logistic nightmare - and of course if just one person was improperly accused anyone could question the soundness of their accusations (ie class action counter suit). The RIAA might be a large interest group but I doubt it has enough resources to be playing legal ping-pong with thousands of people, especially if it isn't sure of its "list-of-names" evidence. --- component <component@mindstorm.com> wrote:
quoted 13 lines Because the RIAA are a powerful lobbying group.> Because the RIAA are a powerful lobbying group. > Actually, they are pretty > damn evil too. > > Rob! > ::::::Component Records::::::: > Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 > www.componentrecords.com > > > I really don't get why copyright infringement is > on par with treason, though. > > > > derek
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2003-07-22 06:11lysaabiI heard on the radio today that 870 subpoenas have been issued. I'm guessing it'll take a
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I heard on the radio today that 870 subpoenas have been issued. I'm guessing it'll take a week or two for most of those to be served. Anybody on the list think they'll get subpoenaed? component wrote:
quoted 22 lines Because the RIAA are a powerful lobbying group. Actually, they are pretty> Because the RIAA are a powerful lobbying group. Actually, they are pretty > damn evil too. > > Rob! > ::::::Component Records::::::: > Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 > www.componentrecords.com > > > I really don't get why copyright infringement is on par with treason, though. > > > > derek > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-07-23 21:47gerald wenzelConsider every download from @pplication specific [ http://apspec.com ] as a big fat middl
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Consider every download from @pplication specific [ http://apspec.com ] as a big fat middle finger pointed at the riaa. Consider each pfeiria mix you design an even bigger middle finger pointed at the riaa. @pplication specific is totally independent and void of any ties with evil corporate swine. You can download @pspec music and trade it over p2p networks without being sued or going to jail. ps. I'm looking for some books on tape in mp3 format. Anybody seen Orwell's 1984 or Ayn Rand's Anthem around???? -- gerald wenzel @pplication specific - music is necessary http://apspec.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org