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Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?

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2003-03-10 09:06Mark E. Fleschler [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-10 10:12isaiah Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-10 13:18Christopher Dilkus Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
├─ 2003-03-10 13:36Neil Walsh Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
├─ 2003-03-10 23:08Muffin Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-11 01:31Dubya = Arrogance + Ignorance Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-11 10:36Christopher Dilkus Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
├─ 2003-03-11 10:52isaiah Re: [idm] Here's why Plone was dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
│ └─ 2003-03-11 11:00disko dali Re: [idm] Here's why Plone was dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
├─ 2003-03-11 23:44Needs More Cowbell Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
│ └─ 2003-03-12 00:18Christopher Dilkus Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
│ └─ 2003-03-12 01:02Needs More Cowbell Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-12 07:54Neil Walsh Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-10 15:36M Mercer Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-10 16:04mogyn bach RE: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-10 18:40John Reading RE: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-10 18:49disko dali RE: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-11 02:17Mark Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-11 06:39c Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-11 07:16isaiah Re: [idm] So why was this fool not dropped from the face of the earth? ((Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-11 15:07John Reading RE: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-12 00:08Christopher Dilkus Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-11 19:42Mark Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-11 19:55John Reading RE: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-11 19:59wallace winfrey RE: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-11 19:59Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-11 20:03daniel RE: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-11 20:05John Reading RE: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-11 20:12ben gill [idm] john, quiet down.
2003-03-11 20:22c Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-12 09:55Mark Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-13 02:28sleepy kitty [idm] brothomstates should be dropped? whaaaa-?
└─ 2003-03-13 11:22atomly Re: [idm] brothomstates should be dropped? whaaaa-?
└─ 2003-03-13 12:34Neil Walsh Re: [idm] brothomstates should be dropped? whaaaa-?
2003-03-12 11:09haxxxxxor haxxxxxor Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-12 15:13EggyToast Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-12 17:35Knapman, James Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-13 11:26Christopher Dilkus Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-14 00:53sleepy kitty Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-12 18:59Mark Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
└─ 2003-03-13 02:29sleepy kitty Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
2003-03-13 11:41Knapman, James RE: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
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2003-03-10 09:06Mark E. FleschlerAfter listening to Skimsitta, that's how I feel. Sample usage is unimaginative, synth tone
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After listening to Skimsitta, that's how I feel. Sample usage is unimaginative, synth tone is uncreative, and the song structure is absent. Mostly a play of textures and rhythms that sounds amateurish. My guess is that her tutor from Ae (I forgot which one) left her to her own devices on this record, and it sure sounds like it. There are so many better artists that deserve to be on Warp (for the exposure). -mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-10 10:12isaiahso you really thought plone was all that great? It sounded rather like silly generic ninte
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so you really thought plone was all that great? It sounded rather like silly generic nintendo style music to me. I dont know, I mean, it seems at least that Mira Calix is attempting something idiosyncratic and novel. But really, ae rule the roost. --- "Mark E. Fleschler" <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
quoted 19 lines After listening to Skimsitta, that's how I feel.> After listening to Skimsitta, that's how I feel. > > Sample usage is unimaginative, synth tone is > uncreative, and the song > structure is absent. Mostly a play of textures and > rhythms that sounds > amateurish. My guess is that her tutor from Ae (I > forgot which one) left > her to her own devices on this record, and it sure > sounds like it. > > There are so many better artists that deserve to be > on Warp (for the > exposure). > > -mark > > >
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2003-03-10 13:18Christopher DilkusWasn't Ms. Calix banging one of the Autechre boys? Or maybe still is? Or something like th
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Wasn't Ms. Calix banging one of the Autechre boys? Or maybe still is? Or something like that? Chris On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 05:12 AM, isaiah wrote:
quoted 49 lines so you really thought plone was all that great?> so you really thought plone was all that great? > It sounded rather like silly generic nintendo style > music to me. > I dont know, I mean, it seems at least that Mira Calix > is attempting something idiosyncratic and novel. But > really, ae rule the roost. > > > > > > --- "Mark E. Fleschler" <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote: >> After listening to Skimsitta, that's how I feel. >> >> Sample usage is unimaginative, synth tone is >> uncreative, and the song >> structure is absent. Mostly a play of textures and >> rhythms that sounds >> amateurish. My guess is that her tutor from Ae (I >> forgot which one) left >> her to her own devices on this record, and it sure >> sounds like it. >> >> There are so many better artists that deserve to be >> on Warp (for the >> exposure). >> >> -mark >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2003-03-10 13:36Neil WalshOn Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 08:18:38AM -0500, Christopher Dilkus wrote: > Wasn't Ms. Calix ban
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On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 08:18:38AM -0500, Christopher Dilkus wrote:
quoted 2 lines Wasn't Ms. Calix banging one of the Autechre boys? Or maybe still is?> Wasn't Ms. Calix banging one of the Autechre boys? Or maybe still is? > Or something like that?
If by "banging", you mean "married", then yes. She also used to work as a press officer at Warp, so that might have something to do with it aswell Neil -- Are we going to the same place If so can I come? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-10 23:08MuffinThe propper term is "married" and it's to Sean. on 10/3/03 1:18 pm the person going by the
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The propper term is "married" and it's to Sean. on 10/3/03 1:18 pm the person going by the name Christopher Dilkus at cpdilkus@snip.net spake :
quoted 63 lines Wasn't Ms. Calix banging one of the Autechre boys? Or maybe still is?> Wasn't Ms. Calix banging one of the Autechre boys? Or maybe still is? > Or something like that? > > Chris > > On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 05:12 AM, isaiah wrote: > >> so you really thought plone was all that great? >> It sounded rather like silly generic nintendo style >> music to me. >> I dont know, I mean, it seems at least that Mira Calix >> is attempting something idiosyncratic and novel. But >> really, ae rule the roost. >> >> >> >> >> >> --- "Mark E. Fleschler" <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote: >>> After listening to Skimsitta, that's how I feel. >>> >>> Sample usage is unimaginative, synth tone is >>> uncreative, and the song >>> structure is absent. Mostly a play of textures and >>> rhythms that sounds >>> amateurish. My guess is that her tutor from Ae (I >>> forgot which one) left >>> her to her own devices on this record, and it sure >>> sounds like it. >>> >>> There are so many better artists that deserve to be >>> on Warp (for the >>> exposure). >>> >>> -mark >>> >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>> idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >> http://taxes.yahoo.com/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2003-03-11 01:31Dubya = Arrogance + IgnoranceYou'll have to excuse our hairy palmed friend (Christopher Dilkus ), he doesn't get any...
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You'll have to excuse our hairy palmed friend (Christopher Dilkus ), he doesn't get any...so he need to think & say things in a crude manner. Is it any wonder so many artists have left this list? The stupidity and insulting nature of these posts regarding artists...I swear. Can't we just review and talk about good releases? Christopher Dilkus <cpdilkus@snip.net> wrote:Wasn't Ms. Calix banging one of the Autechre boys? Or maybe still is? Or something like that? Chris On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 05:12 AM, isaiah wrote:
quoted 49 lines so you really thought plone was all that great?> so you really thought plone was all that great? > It sounded rather like silly generic nintendo style > music to me. > I dont know, I mean, it seems at least that Mira Calix > is attempting something idiosyncratic and novel. But > really, ae rule the roost. > > > > > > --- "Mark E. Fleschler" wrote: >> After listening to Skimsitta, that's how I feel. >> >> Sample usage is unimaginative, synth tone is >> uncreative, and the song >> structure is absent. Mostly a play of textures and >> rhythms that sounds >> amateurish. My guess is that her tutor from Ae (I >> forgot which one) left >> her to her own devices on this record, and it sure >> sounds like it. >> >> There are so many better artists that deserve to be >> on Warp (for the >> exposure). >> >> -mark >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2003-03-11 10:36Christopher Dilkus> You'll have to excuse our hairy palmed friend (Christopher Dilkus ), > he doesn't get an
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quoted 5 lines You'll have to excuse our hairy palmed friend (Christopher Dilkus ),> You'll have to excuse our hairy palmed friend (Christopher Dilkus ), > he doesn't get any...so he need to think & say things in a crude > manner. Is it any wonder so many artists have left this list? The > stupidity and insulting nature of these posts regarding artists...I > swear.
Touche. I didn't have all the facts about their personal lives before posting, and if I had been in a better mood on reading the original post I wouldn't have been so crude. On the same note, don't think you know anything about me other than my name and my e-mail address. Asshole. If a relevant fact, such as a personal relationship (again, I apologize, this is how I should have phrased it before) is common knowledge, there should be no problem addressing that in the context of a discussion about that artist. I'm not the first person to draw the connection between her being signed to Warp and her relationship with Sean. I certainly won't be the last. If you don't want something unflattering said about you, don't do something unflattering. As I learned from my original post.
quoted 1 line Can't we just review and talk about good releases?> Can't we just review and talk about good releases?
That sort of defeats the purpose of reviewing releases, doesn't it? Only review the good ones? Chris
quoted 68 lines Christopher Dilkus <cpdilkus@snip.net> wrote:Wasn't Ms. Calix banging> Christopher Dilkus <cpdilkus@snip.net> wrote:Wasn't Ms. Calix banging > one of the Autechre boys? Or maybe still is? > Or something like that? > > Chris > > On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 05:12 AM, isaiah wrote: > >> so you really thought plone was all that great? >> It sounded rather like silly generic nintendo style >> music to me. >> I dont know, I mean, it seems at least that Mira Calix >> is attempting something idiosyncratic and novel. But >> really, ae rule the roost. >> >> >> >> >> >> --- "Mark E. Fleschler" wrote: >>> After listening to Skimsitta, that's how I feel. >>> >>> Sample usage is unimaginative, synth tone is >>> uncreative, and the song >>> structure is absent. Mostly a play of textures and >>> rhythms that sounds >>> amateurish. My guess is that her tutor from Ae (I >>> forgot which one) left >>> her to her own devices on this record, and it sure >>> sounds like it. >>> >>> There are so many better artists that deserve to be >>> on Warp (for the >>> exposure). >>> >>> -mark >>> >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>> idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >> http://taxes.yahoo.com/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more
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2003-03-11 10:52isaiah>> Can't we just review and talk about good releases? >That sort of defeats the purpose of
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quoted 1 line Can't we just review and talk about good releases?>> Can't we just review and talk about good releases?
quoted 3 lines That sort of defeats the purpose of reviewing>That sort of defeats the purpose of reviewing >releases, doesn't it? >Only review the good ones?
well, I'll have to agree with you there, chris. It seems most people want to deter folks from speaking about the art they dislike...and that happens mostly because most people can't talk about something they dislike without getting crude and juvenile which can be embarrassing (jesus kriste that's fucking stupid!*%) and depressing (fucking hell...! is there nothing more in the world?!*$%). If the less-educated morons didn't cause so many problems, the more-educated morons wouldn't want to control and regulate as much. educate AND enlighten, not just the former, a trained termite is still just a termite. --- Christopher Dilkus <cpdilkus@snip.net> wrote:
quoted 94 lines You'll have to excuse our hairy palmed friend> > You'll have to excuse our hairy palmed friend > (Christopher Dilkus ), > > he doesn't get any...so he need to think & say > things in a crude > > manner. Is it any wonder so many artists have left > this list? The > > stupidity and insulting nature of these posts > regarding artists...I > > swear. > > Touche. I didn't have all the facts about their > personal lives before > posting, and if I had been in a better mood on > reading the original > post I wouldn't have been so crude. On the same > note, don't think you > know anything about me other than my name and my > e-mail address. > Asshole. > > If a relevant fact, such as a personal relationship > (again, I > apologize, this is how I should have phrased it > before) is common > knowledge, there should be no problem addressing > that in the context of > a discussion about that artist. I'm not the first > person to draw the > connection between her being signed to Warp and her > relationship with > Sean. I certainly won't be the last. If you don't > want something > unflattering said about you, don't do something > unflattering. As I > learned from my original post. > > > Can't we just review and talk about good releases? > > That sort of defeats the purpose of reviewing > releases, doesn't it? > Only review the good ones? > > Chris > > > Christopher Dilkus <cpdilkus@snip.net> > wrote:Wasn't Ms. Calix banging > > one of the Autechre boys? Or maybe still is? > > Or something like that? > > > > Chris > > > > On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 05:12 AM, isaiah > wrote: > > > >> so you really thought plone was all that great? > >> It sounded rather like silly generic nintendo > style > >> music to me. > >> I dont know, I mean, it seems at least that Mira > Calix > >> is attempting something idiosyncratic and novel. > But > >> really, ae rule the roost. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- "Mark E. Fleschler" wrote: > >>> After listening to Skimsitta, that's how I feel. > >>> > >>> Sample usage is unimaginative, synth tone is > >>> uncreative, and the song > >>> structure is absent. Mostly a play of textures > and > >>> rhythms that sounds > >>> amateurish. My guess is that her tutor from Ae > (I > >>> forgot which one) left > >>> her to her own devices on this record, and it > sure > >>> sounds like it. > >>> > >>> There are so many better artists that deserve to > be > >>> on Warp (for the > >>> exposure). > >>> > >>> -mark > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> >
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2003-03-11 11:00disko daliisaiah <maryxhelly@yahoo.com> wrote: a trained termite is still just a termite. :-) Mira C
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isaiah <maryxhelly@yahoo.com> wrote: a trained termite is still just a termite. :-) Mira Calix (Chantal) is still playing live at Knitting Factory in NYC on April 13 (Sunday) perhaps her live performance will rally her more fans and critics ;-) "do the things that people say you cannot do" --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online
2003-03-11 23:44Needs More Cowbell--- Christopher Dilkus <cpdilkus@snip.net> wrote: > > You'll have to excuse our hairy palm
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quoted 19 lines You'll have to excuse our hairy palmed friend> > You'll have to excuse our hairy palmed friend > (Christopher Dilkus ), > > he doesn't get any...so he need to think & say > things in a crude > > manner. Is it any wonder so many artists have left > this list? The > > stupidity and insulting nature of these posts > regarding artists...I > > swear. > > Touche. I didn't have all the facts about their > personal lives before > posting, and if I had been in a better mood on > reading the original > post I wouldn't have been so crude. On the same > note, don't think you > know anything about me other than my name and my > e-mail address. > Asshole.
Well Christopher if you "didn't have all the facts" than why are commenting on shit you know nothing about? I felt like your post was an IDM equivalent of Beavis & Butthead post. Uhh...there like doing it yeah yeah there banging huh huh < If a relevant fact, such as a personal relationship (again, I apologize, this is how I should have phrased it before) is common knowledge, there should be no problem addressing that in the context of a discussion about that artist. > I think most people know that Mira Calix is married to one of the members of Autechre (Sean I believe) and in case you didn't know Plaid played at the wedding party. I'm sure you can find plenty of old posts about it. < I'm not the first person to draw the connection between her being signed to Warp and her relationship with Sean. I certainly won't be the last. If you don't want something unflattering said about you, don't do something unflattering. As I learned from my original post. > What difference does it make how and why she got signed? What significance is that to any of our lives? She puts out music, some may like and some won't. I don't know why this list constantly has to manufacture was of insulting artists. I think it's great to make critical comments on their work, what you like and don't like. Making up stupid threads about this artist being gay or that artists is banging so & so is pointless.
quoted 5 lines Can't we just review and talk about good releases?> > Can't we just review and talk about good releases? > > That sort of defeats the purpose of reviewing > releases, doesn't it? > Only review the good ones?
Perhaps I'm one of the few people on this list that actually wants to hear recommendations about good releases and stuff to look out for. That's what this list use to do. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-12 00:18Christopher Dilkus> < I'm not the first person to draw the connection > between her being signed to Warp and
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quoted 10 lines < I'm not the first person to draw the connection> < I'm not the first person to draw the connection > between her being signed to Warp and her relationship > with Sean. I certainly won't be the last. If you don't > want something unflattering said about you, don't do > something unflattering. As I learned from my original > post. > > > What difference does it make how and why she got > signed? What significance is that to any of our lives? > She puts out music, some may like and some won't.
What significance? Read the subject line. It's a possible answer to the question. We have to drop an artist...should it be Plone or the one who's married to one of our biggest money-makers? Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-12 01:02Needs More Cowbell--- Christopher Dilkus <cpdilkus@snip.net> wrote: > > > > What difference does it make how
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--- Christopher Dilkus <cpdilkus@snip.net> wrote:
quoted 11 lines What difference does it make how and why she got> > > > What difference does it make how and why she got > > signed? What significance is that to any of our > lives? > > She puts out music, some may like and some won't. > > What significance? Read the subject line. It's a > possible answer to the > question. We have to drop an artist...should it be > Plone or the one > who's married to one of our biggest money-makers?
Well Christopher, there are many possibilities for why Plone isn't on Warp, why Mira Calix is, etc., etc. Does it really matter? I'm sure both artists have their fan base and will continue to release material. If there's someone on the list that actually has inside information then share it, otherwise it's speculation that's not really going to provide any benefit to the list. And it's likely to insult the artists and label. As i mentioned before I'm on this is list to learn about other releases and to share what I know, recommend, etc. Speculating, talking crap and other useless posts don't advance quality discussion. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-12 07:54Neil WalshOn Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 05:36:55AM -0500, Christopher Dilkus wrote: > If a relevant fact,
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On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 05:36:55AM -0500, Christopher Dilkus wrote:
quoted 8 lines If a relevant fact, such as a personal relationship (again, I> If a relevant fact, such as a personal relationship (again, I > apologize, this is how I should have phrased it before) is common > knowledge, there should be no problem addressing that in the context of > a discussion about that artist. I'm not the first person to draw the > connection between her being signed to Warp and her relationship with > Sean. I certainly won't be the last. If you don't want something > unflattering said about you, don't do something unflattering. As I > learned from my original post.
Here's another "relevant" fact for you: she worked as Warp's press office before being signed. Nepotism, anyone? But seriously, Plone were dropped because Rob Mitchell passed away, and no-one else at Warp like Plone. Broadcast were rumoured to be going the same way. Neil -- Are we going to the same place If so can I come? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-10 15:36M MercerYes, "or something like that." Although I'm personally not a big fan of her work, it's a b
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Yes, "or something like that." Although I'm personally not a big fan of her work, it's a bit presumptuous to draw the conclusion that she owes her career to Autechre because of her ties to one of its members, as if a female artist cannot stand on her own -- what year is this, anyway? No one has said as much outright although it seems to be the implied sentiment... However I do miss Plone a lot, so if anyone hears of their whereabouts or new releases, please post to the list! m.mercer :: design + sound design :: http://www.matthewmercer.com/ sound :: http://www.mattmercer.com/
quoted 36 lines From: Christopher Dilkus <cpdilkus@snip.net>>From: Christopher Dilkus <cpdilkus@snip.net> >To: isaiah <maryxhelly@yahoo.com> >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix? >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:18:38 -0500 > >Wasn't Ms. Calix banging one of the Autechre boys? Or maybe still is? Or >something like that? > >Chris > >On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 05:12 AM, isaiah wrote: > >>so you really thought plone was all that great? >>It sounded rather like silly generic nintendo style >>music to me. >>I dont know, I mean, it seems at least that Mira Calix >>is attempting something idiosyncratic and novel. But >>really, ae rule the roost. >> >>--- "Mark E. Fleschler" <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote: >>>After listening to Skimsitta, that's how I feel. >>> >>>Sample usage is unimaginative, synth tone is >>>uncreative, and the song >>>structure is absent. Mostly a play of textures and >>>rhythms that sounds >>>amateurish. My guess is that her tutor from Ae (I >>>forgot which one) left >>>her to her own devices on this record, and it sure >>>sounds like it. >>> >>>There are so many better artists that deserve to be >>>on Warp (for the exposure). >>> >>>-mark
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2003-03-10 16:04mogyn bachi couldn't believe how cack the album was, on hearing previous stuff i thought it might be
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i couldn't believe how cack the album was, on hearing previous stuff i thought it might be worth buying, so i did and it was rubbish. i even managed to get my hands on it before the release date from my cool dealer but that didn't help. also outy of curiousity, has anyone listened to any of the 'share' streams? are they any good?
quoted 6 lines ===== Original Message From Neil Walsh <marvin@Redbrick.DCU.IE> =====>===== Original Message From Neil Walsh <marvin@Redbrick.DCU.IE> ===== >On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 08:18:38AM -0500, Christopher Dilkus wrote: >> Wasn't Ms. Calix banging one of the Autechre boys? Or maybe still is? >> Or something like that? > >If by "banging", you mean "married", then yes. She also used to work as a
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quoted 10 lines officer at Warp, so that might have something to do with it aswell>officer at Warp, so that might have something to do with it aswell > >Neil >-- >Are we going to the same place >If so can I come? > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-03-10 18:40John Readinglisten to mira album here: http://www.warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php?cat=WARP104 >
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listen to mira album here: http://www.warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php?cat=WARP104
quoted 6 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: mogyn bach [mailto:C.J.Scarratt@newcastle.ac.uk] > > i couldn't believe how cack the album was, on hearing > previous stuff i thought > it might be worth buying, so i did and it was rubbish.
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2003-03-10 18:49disko daliMira Calix is playing in NYC @ Knitting Factory April 13th Sunday, April 13, 2003 Chris Cl
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Mira Calix is playing in NYC @ Knitting Factory April 13th Sunday, April 13, 2003 Chris Clarke (Warp) Live PA Mira Calix (Warp) Live PA Alex English (Glitch) Live/ DJ info @ www.knittingfactory.com (click on nyc site) 74 Leonard Street 1/9 to Franklin A/C/E/N/R to Canal btwn Broadway & Church Street John Reading <john.reading@us.didata.com> wrote:listen to mira album here: http://www.warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php?cat=WARP104
quoted 6 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: mogyn bach [mailto:C.J.Scarratt@newcastle.ac.uk] > > i couldn't believe how cack the album was, on hearing > previous stuff i thought > it might be worth buying, so i did and it was rubbish.
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2003-03-11 02:17MarkNeotropic should be easy proof of a female artist who can produce IDM and have original ta
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Neotropic should be easy proof of a female artist who can produce IDM and have original talent. Mira Calix does not. Sadly, and I intentionally didn't want to bring this up in my original post because of the 'female/male issue' (i just wanted to focus on the music), I actually believe Warp continues to keep her on BECAUSE she's female. If she was a guy, she would never have been signed. And as far as my "tutor" comment, that was true. Her first couple releases had tracks "co-produced" with Gescom. Pin Skeeling has some familiar Autechrish sounds as well. Connect the dots. So, sadly, she's cheated her way in so to speak. She never mailed a demo. She worked at Warp and liked some of the tunes, then became "friends" with Sean Booth, had some help with producing, and with their support was easily signed and writing an album. Take away the mastering and quality equipment and you have an artist who's a good 2 years away from getting signed. Shit she should only now be thinking about mailing demos. I just feel she's not exactly earned her way to where she is. Machine Drum, Nautilus, Fennesz, or even Ulrich Schnauss (to go the poppy route) could happily fit in with that 'Warp family' and help continue the label's tradition of quality releases. To me, her existence there taints their image. Maybe I'm too harsh, I don't know. at least i'm topical. -Mark M Mercer wrote:
quoted 12 lines Yes, "or something like that."> > Yes, "or something like that." > > Although I'm personally not a big fan of her work, it's a bit > presumptuous to draw the conclusion that she owes her career to > Autechre because of her ties to one of its members, as if a female > artist cannot stand on her own -- what year is this, anyway? No one > has said as much outright although it seems to be the implied > sentiment... > > However I do miss Plone a lot, so if anyone hears of their whereabouts > or new releases, please post to the list!
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2003-03-11 06:39cMark wrote: > Neotropic should be easy proof of a female artist who can produce IDM > and
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quoted 6 lines Neotropic should be easy proof of a female artist who can produce IDM> Neotropic should be easy proof of a female artist who can produce IDM > and have original talent. Mira Calix does not. Sadly, and I > intentionally didn't want to bring this up in my original post because > of the 'female/male issue' (i just wanted to focus on the music), I > actually believe Warp continues to keep her on BECAUSE she's female. If > she was a guy, she would never have been signed.
you assume alot hhhmmm....do you work at warp and know what those folks think and why they signed her ? or any artist for that matter.....
quoted 10 lines And as far as my "tutor" comment, that was true. Her first couple> > > And as far as my "tutor" comment, that was true. Her first couple > releases had tracks "co-produced" with Gescom. Pin Skeeling has some > familiar Autechrish sounds as well. Connect the dots. So, sadly, she's > cheated her way in so to speak. She never mailed a demo. She worked at > Warp and liked some of the tunes, then became "friends" with Sean Booth, > had some help with producing, and with their support was easily signed > and writing an album. >
so when an artist collaborates or has a co producer they are cheating ?
quoted 5 lines Take away the mastering and quality equipment and you have an artist> > Take away the mastering and quality equipment and you have an artist > who's a good 2 years away from getting signed. Shit she should only now > be thinking about mailing demos. I just feel she's not exactly earned > her way to where she is.
you should do PR for warp, see if they are hiring//.... someone commented earlier that lots of artists leave the list, i can certainly see why. Mira's credibility shouldnt be called into questioned, what Warp artist do you know would remix a relatively unknown artist simply because she liked the music, and was paid only in copies of a ltd ed 600 copy 7".......i am speaking from experience and direct dealings with her Mira Calix is a class act all around cj
quoted 28 lines Machine Drum, Nautilus, Fennesz, or even Ulrich Schnauss (to go the> > Machine Drum, Nautilus, Fennesz, or even Ulrich Schnauss (to go the > poppy route) could happily fit in with that 'Warp family' and help > continue the label's tradition of quality releases. To me, her > existence there taints their image. > > Maybe I'm too harsh, I don't know. at least i'm topical. > > -Mark > > M Mercer wrote: > > > > > Yes, "or something like that." > > > > Although I'm personally not a big fan of her work, it's a bit > > presumptuous to draw the conclusion that she owes her career to > > Autechre because of her ties to one of its members, as if a female > > artist cannot stand on her own -- what year is this, anyway? No one > > has said as much outright although it seems to be the implied > > sentiment... > > > > However I do miss Plone a lot, so if anyone hears of their whereabouts > > or new releases, please post to the list! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-03-11 07:16isaiahalright this is the most salient bit of info on Mark: > > Take away the mastering and qual
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alright this is the most salient bit of info on Mark:
quoted 8 lines Take away the mastering and quality equipment and> > Take away the mastering and quality equipment and > you have an artist > > who's a good 2 years away from getting signed. > Shit she should only now > > be thinking about mailing demos. I just feel > she's not exactly earned > > her way to where she is. >
So, what is the good demo? How do you know when your 'sound' is right for the masses, and more importantly, of course, the record labels? 'a good 2 years'? and how exactly do you calculate this evolution of talent? ok, so you don't particularly enjoy the album... actually i can probably imagine what your record collection looks like, because your sort of thinking is like a virus... inspiring a similiarly lazy and polarized standpoint,(scientifically and sociologically explained by the Peter Principle-look it up) it's quite possible that if you don't have 'that tick tick followed by that bump' then it ain't hip-hop, and if your kicks aren't on the one and the three&1/2 then it ain't dnb..true it won't be, and the music will be more than better for that very reason since it doesn't stringently stand inside the square confines of drawn in, paint by numbers genre music. with your same warped low freq synth stabs and scuttling tambourines. whatever, enough energy expended on this, back to what matters. --- c <c@scarcelight.com> wrote:
quoted 105 lines Mark wrote:> > > Mark wrote: > > > Neotropic should be easy proof of a female artist > who can produce IDM > > and have original talent. Mira Calix does not. > Sadly, and I > > intentionally didn't want to bring this up in my > original post because > > of the 'female/male issue' (i just wanted to focus > on the music), I > > actually believe Warp continues to keep her on > BECAUSE she's female. If > > she was a guy, she would never have been signed. > > you assume alot > hhhmmm....do you work at warp and know what those > folks think and why they > signed her ? or any artist for that matter..... > > > > > > > And as far as my "tutor" comment, that was true. > Her first couple > > releases had tracks "co-produced" with Gescom. > Pin Skeeling has some > > familiar Autechrish sounds as well. Connect the > dots. So, sadly, she's > > cheated her way in so to speak. She never mailed > a demo. She worked at > > Warp and liked some of the tunes, then became > "friends" with Sean Booth, > > had some help with producing, and with their > support was easily signed > > and writing an album. > > > > so when an artist collaborates or has a co producer > they are cheating ? > > > > > Take away the mastering and quality equipment and > you have an artist > > who's a good 2 years away from getting signed. > Shit she should only now > > be thinking about mailing demos. I just feel > she's not exactly earned > > her way to where she is. > > you should do PR for warp, see if they are > hiring//.... > someone commented earlier that lots of artists leave > the list, i can > certainly see why. > Mira's credibility shouldnt be called into > questioned, what Warp artist do > you know would remix a > relatively unknown artist simply because she liked > the music, and was paid > only in copies of a ltd ed 600 copy 7".......i am > speaking from experience > and direct dealings with her > Mira Calix is a class act all around > > cj > > > > > > Machine Drum, Nautilus, Fennesz, or even Ulrich > Schnauss (to go the > > poppy route) could happily fit in with that 'Warp > family' and help > > continue the label's tradition of quality > releases. To me, her > > existence there taints their image. > > > > Maybe I'm too harsh, I don't know. at least i'm > topical. > > > > -Mark > > > > M Mercer wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, "or something like that." > > > > > > Although I'm personally not a big fan of her > work, it's a bit > > > presumptuous to draw the conclusion that she > owes her career to > > > Autechre because of her ties to one of its > members, as if a female > > > artist cannot stand on her own -- what year is > this, anyway? No one > > > has said as much outright although it seems to > be the implied > > > sentiment... > > > > > > However I do miss Plone a lot, so if anyone > hears of their whereabouts > > > or new releases, please post to the list! > > > > >
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2003-03-11 15:07John Reading> -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Dilkus [mailto:cpdilkus@snip.net] > I'm n
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quoted 2 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Dilkus [mailto:cpdilkus@snip.net]
quoted 4 lines I'm not the first person to draw the> I'm not the first person to draw the > connection between her being signed to Warp and her relationship with > Sean. I certainly won't be the last. >
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2003-03-12 00:08Christopher Dilkus>> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christopher Dilkus [mailto:cpdilkus@snip.net] > >>
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quoted 9 lines -----Original Message----->> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christopher Dilkus [mailto:cpdilkus@snip.net] > >> I'm not the first person to draw the >> connection between her being signed to Warp and her relationship with >> Sean. I certainly won't be the last. >> > > Go read Hello you wanker.
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2003-03-11 19:42Markc wrote: >you assume alot >hhhmmm....do you work at warp and know what those folks think a
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quoted 5 lines you assume alot>you assume alot >hhhmmm....do you work at warp and know what those folks think and why they >signed her ? or any artist for that matter..... > >
You're right, I do assume a lot. But considering the bands that warp has signed or nurtured during the last 2-3 years, they have usually carried two traits: They've been proven signed artists in the past, and they are of an exceptional quality. The lone exception to this has been Chris Clark, who's talent and originality in tone, style and energy are definitely deserving of the attention Warp gets, but if memory serves me right, he came out of nowhere. Mira Calix doesn't exude these qualities. Compare her with Warp's recent flirtations with Tortoise, Prefuse 73, APC, Beans, Merzbow, and the like. Warp is quickly latching into bigger markets and need to sell. Mira Calix has flair because she's a rarity: a woman, let alone an attractive one, who makes introvertedly abstract IDM music. Speaking from a marketing perspective, this is money. Let's look at the target audience: nerdy indie/rock/electronic males. I hate to tell you this, but marketing is sexist. Marketing by definition has to put people in boxes and play the stereotype game. This proven to make money, and the larger Warp gets, in order to sustain themselves, they will need to rely more and more on generalizations in their marketing tactics. While Warp may not even internally admit this, I bet its certainly one of the factors into keeping her around. I'd be curious to see how she's selling. And while the self righteous subscribers here are too PC to admit it, because they have penises and testosterone, it's an element in their mind.
quoted 3 lines so when an artist collaborates or has a co producer they are cheating ?>so when an artist collaborates or has a co producer they are cheating ? > >
In many ways, I believe so. I feel she was basically publishing her "lessons" in recording and writing. Any normal artist would not have this opportunity. Did she have a background as a producer before she worked at Warp?
quoted 11 lines you should do PR for warp, see if they are hiring//....>you should do PR for warp, see if they are hiring//.... >someone commented earlier that lots of artists leave the list, i can >certainly see why. >Mira's credibility shouldnt be called into questioned, what Warp artist do >you know would remix a >relatively unknown artist simply because she liked the music, and was paid >only in copies of a ltd ed 600 copy 7".......i am speaking from experience >and direct dealings with her >Mira Calix is a class act all around > >
I'm not saying Mira Calix is not a class act. And my calling her credibility into question only really stems from her musical output, which is what's really important, no? I feel there usually is a certain quality level at Warp. After hearing Skimskitta, I felt like I was listening to a demo album by a friend of mine who's been writing IDM for merely a year. And I'm not just trying to pick on Mira Calix. Shit, Brothomstates gives me the same feeling (another artist who should be dropped to make room for better talent). -mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-11 19:55John Readingthat was the one of dumbest things I've ever read on this list... > -----Original Message-
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that was the one of dumbest things I've ever read on this list...
quoted 2 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Mark [mailto:mef@ecst.csuchico.edu]
quoted 22 lines Mira Calix has flair because> > Mira Calix has flair because > she's a rarity: a woman, let alone an attractive one, who makes > introvertedly abstract IDM music. Speaking from a marketing > perspective, this is money. Let's look at the target > audience: nerdy > indie/rock/electronic males. I hate to tell you this, but > marketing is > sexist. Marketing by definition has to put people in boxes > and play the > stereotype game. This proven to make money, and the larger > Warp gets, > in order to sustain themselves, they will need to rely more > and more on > generalizations in their marketing tactics. While Warp may not even > internally admit this, I bet its certainly one of the factors into > keeping her around. I'd be curious to see how she's selling. > And while > the self righteous subscribers here are too PC to admit it, > because they > have penises and testosterone, it's an element in their mind. >
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2003-03-11 19:59wallace winfreyOn Tue, 11 Mar 2003, John Reading wrote: > that was the one of dumbest things I've ever re
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quoted 1 line that was the one of dumbest things I've ever read on this list...> that was the one of dumbest things I've ever read on this list...
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2003-03-11 19:59sasha@rockinpony.comnot sure about penises, but agree about WARP and marketing. > that was the one of dumbest
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not sure about penises, but agree about WARP and marketing.
quoted 40 lines that was the one of dumbest things I've ever read on this list...> that was the one of dumbest things I've ever read on this list... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark [mailto:mef@ecst.csuchico.edu] > > > > > Mira Calix has flair because > > she's a rarity: a woman, let alone an attractive one, who makes > > introvertedly abstract IDM music. Speaking from a marketing > > perspective, this is money. Let's look at the target > > audience: nerdy > > indie/rock/electronic males. I hate to tell you this, but > > marketing is > > sexist. Marketing by definition has to put people in boxes > > and play the > > stereotype game. This proven to make money, and the larger > > Warp gets, > > in order to sustain themselves, they will need to rely more > > and more on > > generalizations in their marketing tactics. While Warp may not even > > internally admit this, I bet its certainly one of the factors into > > keeping her around. I'd be curious to see how she's selling. > > And while > > the self righteous subscribers here are too PC to admit it, > > because they > > have penises and testosterone, it's an element in their mind. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >
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2003-03-11 20:03danielThat is very much on the money. At least, that is the way marketing works around here in m
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That is very much on the money. At least, that is the way marketing works around here in my neck of the woods. -daniel
quoted 39 lines -----Original Message-----> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark [mailto:mef@ecst.csuchico.edu] > > > > > Mira Calix has flair because > > she's a rarity: a woman, let alone an attractive one, who makes > > introvertedly abstract IDM music. Speaking from a marketing > > perspective, this is money. Let's look at the target > > audience: nerdy > > indie/rock/electronic males. I hate to tell you this, but > > marketing is > > sexist. Marketing by definition has to put people in boxes > > and play the > > stereotype game. This proven to make money, and the larger > > Warp gets, > > in order to sustain themselves, they will need to rely more > > and more on > > generalizations in their marketing tactics. While Warp may not even > > internally admit this, I bet its certainly one of the factors into > > keeping her around. I'd be curious to see how she's selling. > > And while > > the self righteous subscribers here are too PC to admit it, > > because they > > have penises and testosterone, it's an element in their mind. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >
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2003-03-11 20:05John Readingok, so Warp has Mira Calix on the label because she is a nerdy, attractive woman. you all
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ok, so Warp has Mira Calix on the label because she is a nerdy, attractive woman. you all would get fired from your marketing jobs lickety-split. What a cash cow that "appealing to nerdy, introspective male geeks" is. YOU ALL PIRATE YOUR SHIT ANYWAY!
quoted 28 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: wallace winfrey [mailto:wally@booyaka.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:00 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira > Calix? > > > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, John Reading wrote: > > > that was the one of dumbest things I've ever read on this list... > > and what you wrote (as well as this), one of the most useless. > > at least someone's talking about music. i thought the post > was insightful, > challenging, and true for the most part. > > cheers > > w > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2003-03-11 20:12ben gillOne of the great things about having a mind is knowing when to shut up. If you can't come
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One of the great things about having a mind is knowing when to shut up. If you can't come up with anything better than the last line of your email below, it's one of those circumstances. Learn this and you'll fool many people into believing you're a well-reasoned man. Ben --- John Reading <john.reading@us.didata.com> wrote:
quoted 10 lines ok, so Warp has Mira Calix on the label because she> ok, so Warp has Mira Calix on the label because she > is a nerdy, > attractive woman. > > you all would get fired from your marketing jobs > lickety-split. > > What a cash cow that "appealing to nerdy, > introspective male geeks" is. > YOU ALL PIRATE YOUR SHIT ANYWAY!
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2003-03-11 20:22cobserving that marketing is sexist doesnt make it right. John Reading wrote: > ok, so Warp
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observing that marketing is sexist doesnt make it right. John Reading wrote:
quoted 40 lines ok, so Warp has Mira Calix on the label because she is a nerdy,> ok, so Warp has Mira Calix on the label because she is a nerdy, > attractive woman. > > you all would get fired from your marketing jobs lickety-split. > > What a cash cow that "appealing to nerdy, introspective male geeks" is. > YOU ALL PIRATE YOUR SHIT ANYWAY! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wallace winfrey [mailto:wally@booyaka.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:00 PM > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: RE: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira > > Calix? > > > > > > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, John Reading wrote: > > > > > that was the one of dumbest things I've ever read on this list... > > > > and what you wrote (as well as this), one of the most useless. > > > > at least someone's talking about music. i thought the post > > was insightful, > > challenging, and true for the most part. > > > > cheers > > > > w > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-03-12 09:55Markthanks for answering my question.. so why not just drop Calix and Brothomstates and sign V
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thanks for answering my question.. so why not just drop Calix and Brothomstates and sign Venetian Snares and Marumari? I guess both are doing moderately well, but both could greatly benefit from being lifted up to the stature Warp holds nowadays. -mark Neil Walsh wrote:
quoted 9 lines Here's another "relevant" fact for you: she worked as Warp's press off>Here's another "relevant" fact for you: she worked as Warp's press office >before being signed. Nepotism, anyone? > >But seriously, Plone were dropped because Rob Mitchell passed away, and no-one >else at Warp like Plone. Broadcast were rumoured to be going the same way. > >Neil > >
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2003-03-13 02:28sleepy kittyOn Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 01:55 AM, Mark wrote: > thanks for answering my question.
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quoted 5 lines thanks for answering my question.. so why not just drop Calix and> thanks for answering my question.. so why not just drop Calix and > Brothomstates and sign Venetian Snares and Marumari? I guess both are > doing moderately well, but both could greatly benefit from being > lifted up to the stature Warp holds nowadays. > -mark
yikes, drop brothomstates? i dunno about the rest of the list, but i think brothomstates is incredibly great stuff, and i'm kind of surprised to hear people talking about him as if he should be dropped from the label. claro, i'll agree, wasn't very strong at all, but i enjoyed qtio immensely.. there's also a wealth of material floating about the internet that he released before he was signed anywhere (he used to be fairly well involved in the pc demo scene as dune of orange) that i think is quite great and shows a good bit of talent. claro is a hard listen, but it's there if you give it time (i was never into it at all until i saw him play live, which sort of gave me reason to listen to it further). before you say he sucks, listen to his track on machine drum's remix album and the middle part of the live set on www.defaultresponse.com (the url for the set is http://www.enoughrecords.com/default/default_-_brothomstates.mp3). so after that long ramble, my point: do people here agree with mark for the most part, that brothomstates is overall not that great, or is this just the opinion of one man? i think he's one of the more exciting things i've heard in the field of electronic music in a long time, and i'm shocked to find people not agreeing. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-13 11:22atomly[sleepy kitty <clango@slunklord.org>] > so after that long ramble, my point: do people her
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quoted 5 lines so after that long ramble, my point: do people here agree with mark> so after that long ramble, my point: do people here agree with mark > for the most part, that brothomstates is overall not that great, or is > this just the opinion of one man? i think he's one of the more > exciting things i've heard in the field of electronic music in a long > time, and i'm shocked to find people not agreeing.
As lame as I feel admitting it, Lassi is the reason I got into electronic music. His old tracker stuff was fucking mind-blowing, and I spent quite a bit of time ripping it off when I started making music. Anyway, I agree that his stuff on Warp hasn't been up to his potential, but like people said, Warp selected the tracks as far as I know. I definitely suggest that you people see Brothomstates live sometime, though. I don't know how many US dates he's ever played, but he played at the Phoenix Festival last year with Machine Drum/Syndrone and myself and it was a rockin good time. He's also one of the nicest people I've ever met. I definitely think people should check out that Default Response set, BTW- I downloaded it last week and it was awesome. -- :: atomly :: [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ send an e-mail to atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com info and updates ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-13 12:34Neil WalshOn Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:22:11AM -0600, atomly wrote: > [sleepy kitty <clango@slunklord.
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:22:11AM -0600, atomly wrote:
quoted 21 lines [sleepy kitty <clango@slunklord.org>]> [sleepy kitty <clango@slunklord.org>] > > so after that long ramble, my point: do people here agree with mark > > for the most part, that brothomstates is overall not that great, or is > > this just the opinion of one man? i think he's one of the more > > exciting things i've heard in the field of electronic music in a long > > time, and i'm shocked to find people not agreeing. > > As lame as I feel admitting it, Lassi is the reason I got into > electronic music. His old tracker stuff was fucking mind-blowing, and I > spent quite a bit of time ripping it off when I started making music. > > Anyway, I agree that his stuff on Warp hasn't been up to his potential, > but like people said, Warp selected the tracks as far as I know. I > definitely suggest that you people see Brothomstates live sometime, > though. I don't know how many US dates he's ever played, but he played > at the Phoenix Festival last year with Machine Drum/Syndrone and myself > and it was a rockin good time. He's also one of the nicest people I've > ever met. > > I definitely think people should check out that Default Response set, > BTW- I downloaded it last week and it was awesome.
Yeah, the deafult response set is totally awesome, really makes me want to see him live (wonder why he isn't playing ATP?). Anyway, apart from that I think he's wonderful. Qtio is a fucking great ep, especially the first track, and claro while weak in places has some great tracks on it. There's plenty of room for development in his sound and I for one am looking forward to his future releases. Just thinking about it, the first time I heard him was the two remixes he did on Lackluster's R U Oho (sp?) EP. Surprised no-one has commented on them yet, they are probably two of my favourite remix tracks. Neil -- "And we used to sleep on the beach, they don't do it anymore. Things change." GYBE! - murray ostril: "...they don't sleep anymore on the beach..." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-12 11:09haxxxxxor haxxxxxor">thanks for answering my question.. so why not just drop Calix and >Brothomstates and sig
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">thanks for answering my question.. so why not just drop Calix and
quoted 3 lines Brothomstates and sign Venetian Snares and Marumari? I guess both are>Brothomstates and sign Venetian Snares and Marumari? I guess both are >doing moderately well, but both could greatly benefit from being >lifted up >to the stature Warp holds nowadays."
Marumari doesn't deserve anything. A few years ago he released a whole bunch of his own tracks onto file-sharing networks with the words 'Marumari with Boards of Canada' in the artist tag, obviously in an attempt to gain credit by association. Unfortunately, there was no association, it was a lie. He's a charlatan. PS There are plenty of other people out there who are making great music that deserves attention for its own merit alone, who don't have to resort to such dirty tactics. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-12 15:13EggyToasthaxxxxxor haxxxxxor said: > Marumari doesn't deserve anything. A few years ago he released
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quoted 9 lines Marumari doesn't deserve anything. A few years ago he released a whole> Marumari doesn't deserve anything. A few years ago he released a whole > bunch of his own tracks onto file-sharing networks with the words > 'Marumari with Boards of Canada' in the artist tag, obviously in an > attempt to gain credit by association. Unfortunately, there was no > association, it was a lie. He's a charlatan. > > PS There are plenty of other people out there who are making great > music that deserves attention for its own merit alone, who don't have > to resort to such dirty tactics.
Right. Bad marumari. how dare he give some tracks to someone who then, without telling Josh about it, renames them and puts them on filesharing networks to get them passed around. At least those tracks were good, even without the unauthorized renaming. Better than those countless "Aphex Twin Star Wars Ass Music" derek -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ catchy signature coming soon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-12 17:35Knapman, JamesMark Wrote: > thanks for answering my question.. so why not just drop Calix and Brothomsta
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Mark Wrote:
quoted 1 line thanks for answering my question.. so why not just drop Calix and> thanks for answering my question.. so why not just drop Calix and
Brothomstates and sign Venetian Snares and Marumari?
quoted 1 line I guess both are doing moderately well, but both could greatly benefit> I guess both are doing moderately well, but both could greatly benefit
from being lifted up to the stature Warp holds nowadays. Mira Calix's releases have all garnered great critical acclaim. Although I'm not too keen on 'One on One' I think 'Prickle' is an excellent release. Her stuff is rather inaccessbile and esoterically produced. No-one on this list ACTUALLY KNOWS FOR SURE why Mira Calix is on the Warp roster so this idle speculation is irrelevant and pointless. In my opinion. Brothomstates is the best artist Warp have signed in years and I can't wait for some new stuff from Nikko. I don't understand why Brothomstates gets knocked so much. Can someone explain it to me, in clear, concise, non-offensive and constructive terms? Cheers, Jame.s --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-13 11:26Christopher Dilkus> In my opinion. Brothomstates is the best artist Warp have signed in > years > and I can'
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quoted 6 lines In my opinion. Brothomstates is the best artist Warp have signed in> In my opinion. Brothomstates is the best artist Warp have signed in > years > and I can't wait for some new stuff from Nikko. I don't understand why > Brothomstates gets knocked so much. Can someone explain it to me, in > clear, > concise, non-offensive and constructive terms?
I agree with you here. I've been digging Lassi's stuff since the Kobn-tich-ey netrelease. The big complaint I've seen posted to this list is that he's too derivative of abstract Autechre but without any heart and soul and not to the same level of technical proficiency. And just to throw another $0.02 in and start another riot, I'd rather see Vince Gallo get dropped before anyone else on that roster. Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-14 00:53sleepy kittyOn Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Christopher Dilkus wrote: > ... And > just to throw another $0.02 in
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quoted 3 lines ... And> ... And > just to throw another $0.02 in and start another riot, I'd rather see > Vince Gallo get dropped before anyone else on that roster.
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2003-03-12 18:59Mark> Marumari doesn't deserve anything. A few years ago he released a whole > bunch of his ow
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Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
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quoted 10 lines Marumari doesn't deserve anything. A few years ago he released a whole> Marumari doesn't deserve anything. A few years ago he released a whole > bunch of his own tracks onto file-sharing networks with the words > 'Marumari with Boards of Canada' in the artist tag, obviously in an > attempt to gain credit by association. Unfortunately, there was no > association, it was a lie. He's a charlatan. > > PS There are plenty of other people out there who are making great > music that deserves attention for its own merit alone, who don't have > to resort to such dirty tactics. >
now THAT was retarded. first off, the songs were quite good, second, all is fair in love and marketing, man. ALL i care about is how good his music is, and how original and entertaining his sound is. it's very original and highly entertaining. you obviously like to hold petty grudges with musicians that have nothing to do with their musical output, yes? how immature are you? -mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-13 02:29sleepy kittymarumari's "kid icarus fight" ranks among some of my favorite warm fuzzy tracks.. am i rig
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Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
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marumari's "kid icarus fight" ranks among some of my favorite warm fuzzy tracks.. am i right in thinking that this track was a net only release? On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Mark wrote:
quoted 25 lines Marumari doesn't deserve anything. A few years ago he released a>> Marumari doesn't deserve anything. A few years ago he released a >> whole bunch of his own tracks onto file-sharing networks with the >> words 'Marumari with Boards of Canada' in the artist tag, obviously >> in an attempt to gain credit by association. Unfortunately, there was >> no association, it was a lie. He's a charlatan. >> >> PS There are plenty of other people out there who are making great >> music that deserves attention for its own merit alone, who don't have >> to resort to such dirty tactics. >> > > now THAT was retarded. first off, the songs were quite good, second, > all is fair in love and marketing, man. ALL i care about is how good > his music is, and how original and entertaining his sound is. it's > very original and highly entertaining. you obviously like to hold > petty grudges with musicians that have nothing to do with their > musical output, yes? how immature are you? > > -mark > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2003-03-13 11:41Knapman, JamesYeah.. that's something you see a lot of. Just read some of the reviews that were posted o
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Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:41:26 -0000
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RE: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
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Yeah.. that's something you see a lot of. Just read some of the reviews that were posted on the net at the time 'Claro' was released and you'll see everyone comparing it to Autechre's 'Confield'. Of course, that argument holds no water since 'Claro' was released only a few months after 'Confield' and the tracks will have been written and mastered LONG before that. Lassi's technical proficiency can't really be faulted either in my opinion. He just doesn't create tracks in the same way as Autechre do. Personally, I think Brothomstates music has far more of an emotion centre than Autechre, at least post "Tri-Repetae" anyway. Warp's diversification isn't really a bad thing.. I don't like Vincent Gallo's work, but as long as Warp keep releasing stuff by the likes of Chris Clark and Brothomstates, I'm happy. That track from Chris Clark's 'Ceramics is the bomb' sounds fantastic. And yes, 'Kobn-Tich-Ey' is also a great release. And free to boot. )Jamesq. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Dilkus [mailto:cpdilkus@snip.net] Sent: 13 March 2003 11:27 To: Knapman, James Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix?
quoted 6 lines In my opinion. Brothomstates is the best artist Warp have signed in> In my opinion. Brothomstates is the best artist Warp have signed in > years > and I can't wait for some new stuff from Nikko. I don't understand why > Brothomstates gets knocked so much. Can someone explain it to me, in > clear, > concise, non-offensive and constructive terms?
I agree with you here. I've been digging Lassi's stuff since the Kobn-tich-ey netrelease. The big complaint I've seen posted to this list is that he's too derivative of abstract Autechre but without any heart and soul and not to the same level of technical proficiency. And just to throw another $0.02 in and start another riot, I'd rather see Vince Gallo get dropped before anyone else on that roster. Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org