From: <info@noiseloop.com>
quoted 7 lines From: "seeklektek"
> > From: "seeklektek"
> > From: <info@noiseloop.com>
> > > Just to put the story straight on some of the misinfo flying around
> here,
> > > GPO did not have any influence on the acid house scene. He very publicly
> > > tried to jump the bandwagon a bit too late in the day and was extremely
> > > unsuccessful.quoted 10 lines BULLSHIT on that! Time to seperate 'Signal' from 'Noiseloop'.
> > BULLSHIT on that! Time to seperate 'Signal' from 'Noiseloop'.
> > Despite what else I may have offered in this thread, I *must* stand up
> > for Gen here:
> > PTV *more* than influenced the Acid House scene: they made *the* record
> that kicked off the
> > scene: "To All The Young People", with the Superman label (which pissed
> off
> > DC comics).
> > Psychic TV were *very* much responsible for the start of Acid House in
> > the UK *and* in the US.quoted 5 lines The US scene was certainly not kicked off by GPO - that's probably the most
> The US scene was certainly not kicked off by GPO - that's probably the most
> ridiculous thing I ever saw on the idmlist. Try telling that story to
> Marshall Jefferson, Larry Heard, Todd Terry, Juan Atkins and many, many
> others. The US media has a well-known history of supressing the influence of
> black working-class music - please don't be taken in like that.
That was *not* the same Acid House scene as the one being discussed:
in fact, there was no Acid House scene there in Chicago or in Detroit,
per se.
Yes, the above-named individuals made excellent records that were
intergral to the scene.
But the energy and artistic expression present in
Acid House Parties (which spawned 'raves')
*were* indeed more a product of the conceptual efforts of
GPO and PTV, than of those others.
And I am in no way trying to down-play the others'
importance.
"It Is What It Is" and it ain't what you claim! ;)
> In the UK it was kicked off by Paul Oakenfold(!) at a club called The Future
quoted 1 line in the suburbs of Streatham, followed by Danny Rampling's Shoom.
> in the suburbs of Streatham, followed by Danny Rampling's Shoom.
Yeah: ask ~them~ what record inspired ~them~ to start their nights.
PTV - 'to all the young people'. They'll admit it, or else
they'll play revisionist-history. They said so at the time:
'87 and '88.
Very soon
quoted 3 lines after there were a bunch of other nights like Spectrum and The Trip. There
> after there were a bunch of other nights like Spectrum and The Trip. There
> was also one run by the guys from The Advent which I can't remember the name
> of right now. This was all around 85-87.
No way: none of those Acid nights were around til at best
very late in '87. Show us a flyer from '85 or '86 for an
'Acid House Party'.
Nuff said.
quoted 2 lines The Residents 'Kaw Liga' was huge because it
> The Residents 'Kaw Liga' was huge because it
> sounded just right in that scene - not because it was by The Residents.
It sounded 'right' because it sounded like
'Billy Jean'. And it ~preyed~ brilliantly upon the concept
of the wronged man. ;) Leave it to the Eyeballed Ones
to have 'spotted' that. ;)
The 'housey' 'kaw-liga' remixes didn't come out til '89.
quoted 3 lines Yeah I heard some rumour that Richard Norris and Evil Eddie Richards made
> Yeah I heard some rumour that Richard Norris and Evil Eddie Richards made
> that awful album for him and maybe there's a reason they didn't put their
> names to it.
Richard Norris was under contract. And he and Evil Eddie never hid
their involvement. Did you even read the NME at that time???
quoted 2 lines I think you're probably the first to quote it as one of their
>I think you're probably the first to quote it as one of their
> proudest moments.
Don't think so hard: it hurts your complexion. ;)
quoted 3 lines At the time record shops could sell just about anything
> At the time record shops could sell just about anything
> with an 'acid house remix' sticker on it but that one never seemed to leave
> the shelves.
Wow: 'sounds' like a description of a lot of IDM stuff today: doesn't sell:
of course, it ~must~ suck if it doesn't sell.
Say, isn't that Avril Lavigne the 'shit'? Wow. Great stuff:
lots of people are buying it.
quoted 1 line I really tried to like it myself as I was very much into acid
> I really tried to like it myself as I was very much into acid
Don't eat the brown acid: it'll turn you into a Tweety-Bird,
Woodstock. ;)
quoted 3 lines and quite interested in ptv at the time but it was the most obvious cash-in
> and quite interested in ptv at the time but it was the most obvious cash-in
> attempt I came across - it sounded totally fake to me. But each to his own,
> I'm just giving you a perspective of someone who was around at the time.
You got the same, dude: difference, apparently:
I was playing those records 'out' at the time. ;) Where 'in' did you play them?
quoted 4 lines Also I
> > Also I
> > > believe he is completely anti-drug so the jacking up in an alleyway
> fears
> > > are likely to be groundless.quoted 3 lines Anti-drug: HaHaHa!!!!!
> > Anti-drug: HaHaHa!!!!!
> > You "believe" but you do not *know*.
> > Gen was ~totally~ down with the lysergics. 'Blue Pyramid' ;)quoted 6 lines Well someone else on the list has also put me straight on this. Around 87-88
> Well someone else on the list has also put me straight on this. Around 87-88
> I was involved in a band project with a guitarist from ptv (not fred
> gianelli). He wouldn't even let me smoke a spliff at his house. He told me
> he got that from Gen and it was an essential part of ptv (and s+m)
> philosophy not to deaden or alter the senses artificially with drugs - they
> wanted to get closer to reality.
Another fool manipulated? ;)
quoted 2 lines I think it all became a bit marilyn manson for
> > > I think it all became a bit marilyn manson for
> > > the british.quoted 1 line Irony???? Peter Christopherson directed Marilyn Manson videos. ;)
> > Irony???? Peter Christopherson directed Marilyn Manson videos. ;)quoted 2 lines Gotta pay the bills somehow I suppose. You know they used to design album
> Gotta pay the bills somehow I suppose. You know they used to design album
> covers for a living.
Oh, god: "they": fuck that:
you need to do some research:
Peter Christopherson was a member of the Hipgnosis design
team. Not 'they': Sleazy: that's ~it~.
http://www.brainwashed.com/coil/info/peter.html
Quote from the above-linked page:
"Trying to hold back the revision of history is always a good thing."
Perhaps GPO ~does~ fuck goats, but he ~did~ inspire many djs,
both in the UK and the US, to play Chicago Acid and Detroit techno tracks, and to mix
them with the PTV stuff, and the Woodentops (horrid, IMO),
and 'Washing Machine', and Bang the Party, and so on, and so on:
GPO introduced many of those people to Phuture's 11-minute classic,
'Acid Tracks', and subsequently made and released the Superman record,
which was 'checked' by all of the hype acid djs in the UK and US in '87 and '88.
Speaking from experience!!!!!! ;)
=seek=
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