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Sounds interesting. You should check out Oskar Sala .. There was a compilation of his works released on Fax called "My Fascinating Instrument" which the oldest track on is 1952... Though the sleeve notes talk of him experimenting with electronic music in 1930 ... Sala is probably most famous for the sound effects on Hitchcock's "The Birds". Someone's turn to out-trainspot me now ;) on 12/2/03 10:30 pm the person going by the name IDM Warp Zone at idmwarpzone@yahoo.com spake :

quoted 16 lines I just discovered the oldest idm song (I think):

> I just discovered the oldest idm song (I think): > Edgard Var?se's "Poeme Electronique", which he > completed in 1958 for the World Expo in Brussels. > There was even an accompanying videoclip ! > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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The Oskar Sala is one of the few Fax releases that I still listen to a lot. He and Raymond Scott are real heros -- they combined engineering skills with a composer's soul to make music that was unique, yet accessible emotionally. They also both experimented with styles that remind me a whole lot of Autechre and Richard Devine in places. Fax releases being what they are, the Oskar Sala is probably pretty thin on the ground but if you see it, snap it up. And the 3 volumes of Scott's "Soothing Sounds for Baby" are a must, and still in print. On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Muffin wrote:

quoted 8 lines Sounds interesting. You should check out Oskar Sala .. There was a

> Sounds interesting. You should check out Oskar Sala .. There was a > compilation of his works released on Fax called "My Fascinating Instrument" > which the oldest track on is 1952... Though the sleeve notes talk of him > experimenting with electronic music in 1930 ... Sala is probably most famous > for the sound effects on Hitchcock's "The Birds". > > Someone's turn to out-trainspot me now ;) >

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havent' heard any of Oskar Sala(or maybe so, is he on the gurus disc?) but i love Raymond scott, ive a nice double disc of his and a number of other mp3s. id soo love to play on his machines! anyway, yeah, raymond scott is a must hear, an electronic genius, really. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

To my knowledge "Peome Electronique" was the first performance to incorperate tape loops, sirens and video clips to help carry the music. It's actually really good for the time, but I wouldn't consider it dance music by any means. I would say the first intelligent "dance" piece is "Picture Music" buy Klaus Schultz. It was release in 1974 on Braindance Metronome. The song Picture music is one side of an LP (20 plus minutes) and is incredible. Schultz was a master of the modular synth and actually developed/built his our analog sequencers, which was how he was to created such intricate rhythms. I can't think of an earlier piece of music that could still stand up against todays IDM. ^(|_|)^

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>From: IDM Warp Zone <idmwarpzone@yahoo.com> >To: idm mailing list <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] Oldest IDM song ? >Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:30:59 -0800 (PST) > >I just discovered the oldest idm song (I think): >Edgard Var?se's "Poeme Electronique", which he >completed in 1958 for the World Expo in Brussels. >There was even an accompanying videoclip ! > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day >http://shopping.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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On Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 10:16 AM, Tionlee@aol.com wrote:

quoted 1 line ANYTHING BY KRAFTWERK.

> ANYTHING BY KRAFTWERK.

Man, kraftwerk rule - saw them recently here in Adelaide, Australia at Big Day Out - they were the closing act here, so pretty much everybody with any music taste you could think of saw them. Most people initially thought they were strange (four guys on laptops, just standing there the whole time) but they put on a really, really good show. By the end pretty much everybody was completely into it. Really rare to see with that kind of electronica. R - -- - Ryan Verner <xfesty@computeraddictions.com.au> PGP: 5819 DE5D B5AE 9381 7E60 5B4C 45CC 64DF D3CC EB07 ICQ: 76626240 IRC: xf / irc.oublinet.net PH: +61 418 186 604 EQ: Mummer (Bard), Tholuxe In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. [PGP signature removed] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

yep...im looking for a copy of radiation [sp].i think its a old kraftwerk record --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines From: Tionlee@aol.com

> From: Tionlee@aol.com > yep...im looking for a copy of radiation [sp].i think its a old kraftwerk > record

"Radioactivity" is still in print. The original poster didn't feel it necessary to go into any detail about what they mean by "IDM" when searching for its roots in history, but you'll have to go further back than the 70s. As much as Klaus Schulze fans like to give him credit for everything that came after him, I'm going to have to refer to actual history and point you guys to Bruce Haack, who made wacky ersatz-childrens music with a home made synth system. Some of it sounds like K'werk, some more like Rephlex stuff. Get the history of electronic music compilation on Ellipsis Arts if you're interested in a basic overview of old electronic music, but old electronic music and "Old IDM" are not the same thing. -e --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

If any of you are interested in the early days of electronic music you should pick up "OHM: The Early gurus Of Electronic Music": <A HREF="http://www.audiogalaxy.com/pages/review.php?band_id=76855">http://www.audiogalaxy.com/pages/review.php?band_id=76855</A>

I was recently told by a DJ friend of mine that she thought Bela Lugosi's Dead's beats sound IDMish or autechre - ish. does anyone else agree with this? just curious. Alex --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day

As in the Bauhaus song? If so, I don't make that connection at all. There is a little echo on the drums here and there, but nothing that registers as IDM. And I don't think I've ever heard an Autechre song that used a rimshot sound. Silly DJ. -Aaron On Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 12:35 PM, disko dali wrote:

quoted 12 lines I was recently told by a DJ friend of mine that she thought Bela

> > I was recently told by a DJ friend of mine that she thought Bela > Lugosi's Dead's beats sound IDMish or autechre - ish. > does anyone else agree with this? > just curious. > Alex > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day

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i'd say that song sounds more like some kind of spooky goth dub... i've heard that drum beat in a lot of king tubby songs, and all the echo fx and whatnot... On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, disko dali wrote:

quoted 11 lines I was recently told by a DJ friend of mine that she thought Bela Lugosi's Dead's

> > I was recently told by a DJ friend of mine that she thought Bela Lugosi's Dead's beats sound IDMish or autechre - ish. > does anyone else agree with this? > just curious. > Alex > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day

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At 06:00 PM 13/02/03, jacob z. wrote:

quoted 3 lines i'd say that song sounds more like some kind of spooky goth dub... i've

>i'd say that song sounds more like some kind of spooky goth dub... i've >heard that drum beat in a lot of king tubby songs, and all the echo fx and >whatnot...

Yeah, it's a shame that Bauhaus is thought of as many people as being just a Goth band, 'cause right from the beginning ("Bela" was their first single), they always played around with a variety of sounds, styles and production techniques. The full-length version of "She's In Parties" goes into a wicked dub section once the regular song finishes, for example. They really were a great band. Greg :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: greg@stainedproductions.com ::::::::: concert & event promotions ::: http://www.stainedproductions.com :::::: electronic music radio & reviews ::: http://www.feedbackmonitor.com ::: electronic/experimental record label ::: http://www.pieheadrecords.com ::::::::: 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor ::: Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 ::: Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:49:08 -0500, Greg Clow wrote:

quoted 1 line They really were a great band.

>They really were a great band.

I agree. I blame "The Hunger" for their downfall. I also blame "The Hunger" for everything David Bowie did from 1981-1995 or so. -- andrij. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

they did play w/tempos and loops (i suppose i'm repeating the dub references) and on various albums (mask, sky's gone out, etc) they move towards various styles of experimentation. skys gone out in particular always reminds me of transeuropeexpress. their earlier band, tones on tale, mixed much more minimalism, synths, electro, + experimentalism. definitely wonderful listening. w.carrington ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] www.shft8pwr.net --------------->snds+forms [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 01:52 AM 14/02/03, w carrington wrote:

quoted 2 lines their earlier band, tones on tale, mixed much more

>their earlier band, tones on tale, mixed much more >minimalism, synths, electro, + experimentalism.

Tones On Tail wasn't an earlier version of Bauhaus, it was a side-project. Here's a good description from a TOT fan site that I found at http://charon.gothic.net/~skot/tot/ : "Tones On Tail were originally Daniel Ash (Bauhaus) and Glenn Campling (roadie for Bauhaus). The group was formed in 1982 as a side project for Daniel while he was still in Bauhaus. They were later joined by Kevin Haskins (Bauhaus) after that band's breakup. Though the career of Tones On Tail lasted only a couple of years (1982-1984), the group definitely made a lasting mark with their hard-to-define deep dark blue sound. After Tones On Tail ended, David J. (Bauhaus) rejoined with Daniel Ash and Kevin Haskins to form Love and Rockets. Traces of Tones On Tail can be found on the last Bauhaus record, "Burning From The Inside" (particularly on the track "Slice of Life"), as well as the first Love and Rockets LP, "Seventh Dream of Teenage Heaven" (particularly on the title track)." There's a double CD called "Everything!" that, as the title suggests, collects all of Tones On Tail's studio work, along with a bootleg-quality live recording of "Heartbreak Hotel" and a short radio interview. I highly recommend it. Greg :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: greg@stainedproductions.com ::::::::: concert & event promotions ::: http://www.stainedproductions.com :::::: electronic music radio & reviews ::: http://www.feedbackmonitor.com ::: electronic/experimental record label ::: http://www.pieheadrecords.com ::::::::: 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor ::: Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 ::: Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org