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new Sigur Ros album. What a complete waste! I can't imagine anything more boring than "()" I've never been much of a fan, but a friend was raving about a recent live show of theirs and put on the cd. It sounded to me like nothing more than re-hashed Pink Floyd with all the prog-rock symphonic trappings. One song even had the exact same chord progression of Stairway to Heaven.

Quoting "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@premiereradio.com>:

quoted 5 lines new Sigur Ros

> > new Sigur Ros > > re-hashed Pink Floyd with all the prog-rock symphonic trappings. One > song > even had the exact same chord progression of Stairway to Heaven.

Speaking of prog-rock, why does everyone like Pink Floyd? I should think it obvious that Yes is the better band! -Adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 18 Dec 2002 at 11:10, adam@damek.org wrote:

quoted 2 lines Speaking of prog-rock, why does everyone like Pink Floyd? I should think it

> Speaking of prog-rock, why does everyone like Pink Floyd? I should think it > obvious that Yes is the better band!

Hahaha!!!! You'll probably get publicly beaten for that, but I must say that I thoroughly agree. Being a dinosaur, I grew up with those bands and was hugely into Yes (oh come one people, Roundabout is wonderful!) and never bought a single Pink Floyd album after Relics. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I totally agree; () is terrible. I have been a huge Sigur Ros fan ever since I saw them live at Coachella a few years back. Their first album was a fucking masterpiece. SOmeone here criticized "Agaetis..." for being a collection of songs and not a cohesive album. Even if I thought that was true, and I don't think it is, I wouldn't care. The songs on "Agaetis..." were beautifully crafted. They had great melodies, stunning arrangemets, and they evolved over time. Sigur Ros clearly had a lot of great ideas and executed those ideas with great skill when making that album. (), on the other hand, is boring, shoe-gazer, prog-rock. Instead of writing great songs, Sigur Ros has elected to bludgeon their listeners with mopey, repetitive dirges that all sound more or less the same. Worse yet, nearly all of these songs were fully formed and played during their 2001 tour. So, not only is () a bad album, it is a bad album that most Sigur Ros fans had already heard before it was released. Most bands play their songs live before they are relased on an album, but take the time in the studio to develop and experiment with those songs. Not so with (). () is far and away the most disappointing album of the year. --- "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@premiereradio.com> wrote:

quoted 16 lines new

> > new > Sigur Ros > album. What a complete waste! I can't imagine > anything more boring > than "()" > > I've never been much of a fan, but a friend was > raving about a recent live > show of theirs and put on the cd. It sounded to me > like nothing more than > re-hashed Pink Floyd with all the prog-rock > symphonic trappings. One song > even had the exact same chord progression of > Stairway to Heaven. >

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 02:01:10PM -0800, Justin Lovero wrote:

quoted 4 lines I totally agree; () is terrible. I have been a huge

> I totally agree; () is terrible. I have been a huge > Sigur Ros fan ever since I saw them live at Coachella > a few years back. Their first album was a fucking > masterpiece.

When you say first album here, I assume you're talking about Von? Von was far from a masterpiece. It had a couple of great songs on it but overall it was a bit too random for my liking. If however you are talking about AB as the first album, then maybe you aren't the huge Sigur Ros fan you think you are. Anyway () is my favourite album of the year, but like all great things it's impossible to pinpoint why exactly. It's alot more focused than AB was, with a nice split between they "happy" half and the "heavy" half. The songs themselves more then stand up to those on AB, and I really don't see how people can say opposite. Track 8 is one of the best things I've heard. I love the way it changes from having a nice, dreamy guitar line to just being a monster of a track. Track 2 is another great one, great melody and it sounds like it should have a huge epic ending but in the end it just fades away beautifully into Track 3, which is another one I like greatly despite it's simplicity. I could go on, but I don't think I'm going to change anyone's opinion here. But I think the AB vs. () debate is alot like the Music Has The The Right to Children vs. Geogaddi debate, Geogaddi has the better songs, but nothing can compare to the magic of hearing songs like Rogybiv, Olson or Aquarius for the first time. Neil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

--- Neil Walsh <marvin@Redbrick.DCU.IE> wrote:

quoted 8 lines When you say first album here, I assume you're

> When you say first album here, I assume you're > talking about Von? Von was far > from a masterpiece. It had a couple of great songs > on it but overall it was a > bit too random for my liking. If however you are > talking about AB as the first > album, then maybe you aren't the huge Sigur Ros fan > you think you are.

I know that Von was the first album. In fact, I own Von. You're right, It just skipped my mind. I should have said last album instead of first album. My bad.

quoted 3 lines Anyway () is my favourite album of the year, but

> Anyway () is my favourite album of the year, but > like all great things it's > impossible to pinpoint why exactly. etc... etc...

I was really harsh on () in my previous post. I actually like it in spots too. Tracks 2, 3, and 4 are pretty good. Song 8, "Pop Song", has a great ending, but the first 6 minutes are dull as hell. I have been pretty brutal to () simply because it's so disappointing. If it didn't have to follow AB, I would probably view it as an "okay" album. It doesn't hold a candle to AB, though. The songs just aren't nearly as strong. JMHO.

quoted 7 lines But I think the AB vs. () debate is alot like the

> But I think the AB vs. () debate is alot like the > Music Has The The Right to > Children vs. Geogaddi debate, Geogaddi has the > better songs, but nothing can > compare to the magic of hearing songs like Rogybiv, > Olson or Aquarius for the > first time.

That's a pretty good comparison in some ways. However, MHTRTC and Geogaddi are not terribly different soundwise, whereas AB and () are quite different. I was pretty shocked at how stripped down () was compared to AB. I miss the lush arrangements with keys, guitar, strings, bass, drums, vocals, brass, etc. Oh well. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line Speaking of prog-rock, why does everyone like Pink Floyd? I should

> Speaking of prog-rock, why does everyone like Pink Floyd? I should

think it

quoted 1 line obvious that Yes is the better band!

> obvious that Yes is the better band!

So who would win in a fist fight- David Gilmour or Jon Anderson? Answer- Robert Fripp. King Crimson kicks both their asses in a heartbeat.

On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Albers, Brian wrote:

quoted 1 line So who would win in a fist fight- David Gilmour or Jon Anderson?

> So who would win in a fist fight- David Gilmour or Jon Anderson?

dave gilmour! come on, he may not play real fast but his melodic sense and taste and timing are superb. errr, were - i saw them in '94 and it was kind of depressing - and that was many years ago now...

quoted 1 line Answer- Robert Fripp. King Crimson kicks both their asses in a heartbeat.

> Answer- Robert Fripp. King Crimson kicks both their asses in a heartbeat.

king crimson... boy, they sure do play a lot of notes. yessir, lots and lots of notes. 32nd notes! 64th notes! but where is the love? ;) i mean, i respect their musicianship very very much, but the songwriting is not for me... every time i hear this jam-style music i am reminded of a review i read of keanu reeves playing hamlet: "he said all the words in the right order." yes, indeed, IDM may well be the prog rock of electronica. we'll have to live with it... j --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

4 words: Emerson, Lake and Palmer! np: TARKUS!!!!!!! On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:04:36 +0200 "Irene McC" <substar@iafrica.com> writes:

quoted 22 lines On 18 Dec 2002 at 11:10, adam@damek.org wrote:

> On 18 Dec 2002 at 11:10, adam@damek.org wrote: > > > Speaking of prog-rock, why does everyone like Pink Floyd? I > should think it > > obvious that Yes is the better band! > > Hahaha!!!! > > You'll probably get publicly beaten for that, but I must say that I > thoroughly agree. Being a dinosaur, I grew up with those bands and > was hugely into Yes (oh come one people, Roundabout is wonderful!) > and never bought a single Pink Floyd album after Relics. > > I > * > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 4 lines You'll probably get publicly beaten for that, but I must say that I

> You'll probably get publicly beaten for that, but I must say that I > thoroughly agree. Being a dinosaur, I grew up with those bands and > was hugely into Yes (oh come one people, Roundabout is wonderful!) > and never bought a single Pink Floyd album after Relics.

Yes, but did you ever buy any Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Wossname albums? Ross x --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines I should think it obvious that

>> I should think it obvious that >> Yes is the better band!

quoted 2 lines You'll probably get publicly beaten for that,

> You'll probably get publicly beaten for that, > but I must say that I thoroughly agree.

Speaking of getting publicly beaten, the only Yes record I own/like is 90125. (ducks for cover) It's all about Trevor Horn, who was also behind the only Grace Jones record I own/like (Slave to the Rhythm), but I don't imagine that to be quite such a controversial stance... JG --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Quoting Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com>:

quoted 11 lines It's all about Trevor Horn, who was also behind the only Grace Jones record

> >It's all about Trevor Horn, who was also behind the only Grace Jones record > >I own/like (Slave to the Rhythm), but I don't imagine that to be quite such > >a controversial stance... > > I bet Grace would kick your ass, though!! :-) > > I think "Pull up to My Bumper" beats what she did with Trevor - but I was a > sucker for much of the ZTT label stuff as well. > Trevor started out so well.... > > jeff

Talking of ZTT and Trevor Horn, anyone recall Propaganda's _A Secret Wish_? A sort of baroque gothic electronic pop hybrid. Played it the other day and still sounds surprisingly good now. I'm sure Trev must have been involved in the production on that. alan/beyond...sound ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www-mail.usyd.edu.au --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 7 lines Talking of ZTT and Trevor Horn, anyone recall Propaganda's _A Secret Wish_?

> >Talking of ZTT and Trevor Horn, anyone recall Propaganda's _A Secret Wish_? >A sort of baroque gothic electronic pop hybrid. Played it the other day >and still sounds surprisingly good now. I'm sure Trev must have been involved >in the production on that. > >alan/beyond...sound

Oh yes. I had all of the bazillions of remixes (ZTT *did* milk that market!). Loved "Dr. Mabuse". ....why does it hurt when my heart misses a beat? jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line It's all about Trevor Horn, who was also behind the only Grace Jones

> It's all about Trevor Horn, who was also behind the only Grace Jones

record

quoted 1 line I own/like (Slave to the Rhythm), but I don't imagine that to be quite

> I own/like (Slave to the Rhythm), but I don't imagine that to be quite

such

quoted 2 lines a controversial stance...

> a controversial stance... > JG

Trevor also did the *excellent* 'Cry', with Godley/Creme: 10cc. =) (very cool, 'groundbreaking' vid, too: morph-edits of faces: very cutting edge at the time, what, about 18 or so years ago. ;)) Art of Noise. Buggles. Goofy glasses. =) "In the early nineteen seventies,Trevor and his brother discovered the newly emerging progressive rock band Yes. They quickly became astute fans, discussing variations in sound and lyrics on live and studio recordings of the songs. Over the next few years, Trevor attended several concerts, particularly enjoying 'Nous Sommes Des Soleil' on the Tales From Topographic Oceans tour." http://www.rushw.com/buggles/horn.html .o0O}seeklektek{O0o. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line It's all about Trevor Horn, who was also behind the only Grace Jones

> >It's all about Trevor Horn, who was also behind the only Grace Jones

record

quoted 1 line I own/like (Slave to the Rhythm), but I don't imagine that to be quite

> >I own/like (Slave to the Rhythm), but I don't imagine that to be quite

such

quoted 5 lines a controversial stance...

> >a controversial stance... > > I bet Grace would kick your ass, though!! :-) > > I think "Pull up to My Bumper" beats what she did with Trevor - but I was

a

quoted 3 lines sucker for much of the ZTT label stuff as well.

> sucker for much of the ZTT label stuff as well. > Trevor started out so well.... > jeff

"Drive it in betweeeeeen." ;) Jean-Paul Goude was very responsible for the make-over of Grace Jones: her hubby at the time. My Jamaican Guy. Conan. ;) ZTT had some great 'moments in love': they were the idm label of their time: much credit here should be given also to Paul Morley, who fashioned much of the 'look' of love that was the ZTT motif: odd text blocks, the Meat-the-Beatles-ish cover, the whole pseudo-intellectualized atmosphere projected by that *excellent* label. Close.........to..........the...............edit. -------------BREAK---------------- .o0O}seeklektek{O0o. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org