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2002-11-18 20:44Kent williams [idm] the end of all dumb discussions? Naaah.
2002-11-18 20:48Reading, John RE: [idm] the end of all dumb discussions? Naaah.
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2002-11-18 20:44Kent williamsThis discussion of the exhausting of all possible melodies probably goes back to early in
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[idm] the end of all dumb discussions? Naaah.
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This discussion of the exhausting of all possible melodies probably goes back to early in this century. I know I heard about it when I was 12 or 13, in 1969 or 1970. It is a specious argument for at least 2 reasons: 1. There are many, many, many musical traditions, which use a variety of different scales and forms of composition. The Western 12 tone system is only one, and the implicit assumption in this meme is that it is somehow a proper superset of every musical system, which is fallacious. 2. The number of musically meaningful phrases is constrained much more tightly than the combinatorial serialism implied by the argument. Only a small subset of the possible melodies have any aesthetic appeal to human ears. So we long ago exhausted the 'useful' melodies. Yet people keep coming up with new ones? What gives? 3. Beyond simple melody, you have qualities such as dynamics, timbre, voicing, sound design, and repetition. Thelonious Monk never played a song the same twice, even when he was playing his composition "Played Twice." And is the same piece played in two different contexts really the same? There are certainly enough variables in the musical equation to allow for more variations than there are atoms in the Universe. Even with a very large hard disk, you'll never download them all! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-11-18 20:48Reading, Johntry the microsound list if you think you've seen dumb discussions... wow, that was useful!
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try the microsound list if you think you've seen dumb discussions... wow, that was useful!
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2002-11-18 22:03--{ TWINE }-- .>try the microsound list if you think you've seen dumb discussions... > >wow, that was use
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quoted 6 lines try the microsound list if you think you've seen dumb discussions...>try the microsound list if you think you've seen dumb discussions... > >wow, that was useful! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kent williams [mailto:kent@avalon.net]
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