IDM Mailing Archive

this affects pc and mac alike. http://www.macuser.co.uk/mminute/php3/openframe.php3?page=/newnews/newsarticle. php3?id=1990 i've heard WARP's cds are copyright protected. anyone have any trouble playing them in their machines? I've never tried, I'm worried if i try to play the autechre dvd on my mac it will f***it up

i cant speak for ninja or warp or any other independent label, but here's what's about to happen with the majors At the beginning of May, news.com providing technology news featured a Reuters story (http://news.com.com/2100-1023-896391.html) revealing that "Universal Music is in talks with its best-selling rap artist Eminem to incorporate copy-protection technology into all upcoming CD releases of "The Eminem Show," marking the biggest move yet to protect its top acts from music piracy." Universal and Eminem would need to strike an agreement on whether to release the security-enhanced CDs in the next two weeks to meet manufacturing deadlines for the June 3 release date outside the United States, a Universal representative said. If approved, it would be the most significant new music release to come embedded with copy-proof technology, a new innovation adopted by the major labels to thwart the rampant rise of consumer piracy, which they claim is hurting CD sales. In a related move, Universal is also closely monitoring the circulation of Eminem's first single "Without Me," the company said. The number of promotional copies, ordinarily delivered to radio stations and the media, has been limited to ensure it doesn't fall into the wrong hands. if you follow the related story, you'll see that Sony Music in Germany & Japan have instituted it along with a few of the other majors who seem to be limited and copy protecting advance promos that are being given out to radio stations and journalists. At 12:40 pm -0400 10/5/02, Jeff Birgbauer wrote:

quoted 3 lines this affects pc and mac alike.

>this affects pc and mac alike. > >http://www.macuser.co.uk/mminute/php3/openframe.php3?page=/newnews/newsarticle.

Oh shit. Is this going to affect the high-quality mp3 copy of the album I just downloaded from usenet nearly a month before its actual release date? At 08:19 PM 5/12/2002 +0100, nethed wrote:

quoted 10 lines At the beginning of May, news.com providing technology news featured a

>At the beginning of May, news.com providing technology news featured a >Reuters story (http://news.com.com/2100-1023-896391.html) revealing >that "Universal Music is in talks with its best-selling rap artist Eminem >to incorporate copy-protection technology into all upcoming CD releases of >"The Eminem Show," marking the biggest move yet to protect its top acts >from music piracy." >Universal and Eminem would need to strike an agreement on whether to >release the security-enhanced CDs in the next two weeks to meet >manufacturing deadlines for the June 3 release date outside the United >States, a Universal representative said.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 10 lines In a related move, Universal is also closely monitoring the

> In a related move, Universal is also closely monitoring the > circulation of Eminem's first single "Without Me," the company said. > The number of promotional copies, ordinarily delivered to radio > stations and the media, has been limited to ensure it doesn't fall > into the wrong hands. > > if you follow the related story, you'll see that Sony Music in > Germany & Japan have instituted it along with a few of the other > majors who seem to be limited and copy protecting advance promos that > are being given out to radio stations and journalists.

Doesn't this seem like a joke when it only takes one person to spam a track across AudioGalaxy? John http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I know this isn't slashdot, but most of you work with digital audio so you'll know where I'm coming from. Sorry if this is too off topic. Lets just say that the powers that be can finally(!) make an unbreakable encryption. [That'll never happen as it is - every lock has a key, but assuming it can...] Then it would take *one* person to run the signal from a "protected cd"-friendly compact disc player into a digital recording device (ie computer with any wave editing program) and thus create corresponding aiff/wav files and [ghasp] mp3 files. Thus one burns a new copy that she could actually listen in her laptop. People would argue "Well not everyone has Sound Forge or a DAT recorder, so that would limit the circulation, etc." Obviously that is silly, as once those sound files are rendered by one person, it would take the same current channels of circulation to move the unencrypted, *new* data. And the real kicker is that this method would not even technically be violating the reverse engineering prohibition, since the original disc never would go into the actual computer and none of the original data would ever be extracted. So my bottom line: the only successful non-computer playable cds would be the cds with no playable music on them for *any* device with a simple output line. Brandon --- Syntax8rror@aol.com wrote:

quoted 5 lines and journalists sell or give the cd when they don't

> and journalists sell or give the cd when they don't > like it. there are shops > full of promo ceedees... > >

---------------------------------------------------------------------

quoted 5 lines To unsubscribe, e-mail:

> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > idm-help@hyperreal.org >

__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

* Brandon Smith (gozravp@yahoo.com) said:

quoted 14 lines I know this isn't slashdot, but most of you work with

> I know this isn't slashdot, but most of you work with > digital audio so you'll know where I'm coming from. > Sorry if this is too off topic. > Lets just say that the powers that be can finally(!) > make an unbreakable encryption. [That'll never happen > as it is - every lock has a key, but assuming it > can...] > Then it would take *one* person to run the signal from > a "protected cd"-friendly compact disc player into a > digital recording device (ie computer with any wave > editing program) and thus create corresponding > aiff/wav files and [ghasp] mp3 files. Thus one burns > a new copy that she could actually listen in her > laptop.

You are assuming that the cd player is producing an unecnrypted signal. The industry wants to watermark all audio and video. This watermark is never removed. When you listen or watch your data, the mark is still there, but "unpercetible" to humans. If something like the SSSCA passes (in the U.S.), all digital devices will be required to recognize these watermarks. Thus, you wouldn't be able to make digital copies of this material as your recorder, by law, wouldn't let you. Though we are legally allowed to make personal copies for our own use, there is no law that says we have to be ABLE to. Everyone who cares about these issues should visit http://www.eff.org/ as they are fighting hard against these issues. You can then all read about the latest frightening incarnation called Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act (CBDTPA). -- jeremy avnet / brainsik .:. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 21:53 20/05/02, Jeremy Avnet wrote:

quoted 1 line You are assuming that the cd player is producing an unecnrypted signal.

>You are assuming that the cd player is producing an unecnrypted signal.

... aren't you assuming a digital signal? Why not put the (protected) CD into a high end player, record the ANALOGUE signal onto a good digital recorder, then redistribute those WAVs/mp3s/whatever? If watermarking is perceptible after an analogue transfer, then the watermark has corrupted the audio signal, so consumers and artists will be up in arms, and the watermarking won't be acceptable (as a musician, I want a consumer to be able to listen to my music *as I intended it* not after some piece of crap digital jiggery-pokery has been applied to it). Anyway, I still buy vinyl, so what do I care :-) john.. http://www.namke.com/ http://www.minimism.com/