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2002-04-26 20:08Armchair CharlieYeah, this is the last straw. I don't care if the records are pressed in Afghan caves; Mis

From:: Armchair Charlie <dubnovibrator@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:08:59 -0500
Subject:: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1

Yeah, this is the last straw. I don't care if the records are pressed in Afghan caves; Missy's breakin' out Johnny Cochran this time around. - Char _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2002-04-26 21:06Brandon SmithDoes anyone know if anything of that sort actually happens? Has anyone actually been appro

From:: Brandon Smith <gozravp@yahoo.com>
To:: Armchair Charlie <dubnovibrator@hotmail.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1
Reply to:: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1

Does anyone know if anything of that sort actually happens? Has anyone actually been approached by a lawyer, etc? I'd be scared to death if I were someone like him. I know that tb6 ain't exactly WB records, but if the RIAA is getting its feathers all ruffled over someone buring a fucking cd for their friend, wouldn't it stand to reason that this sort of thing can only go on for so long? tb6 seems to be the most popular label that does this sort of thing to a high degree. Brandon --- Armchair Charlie <dubnovibrator@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 8 lines Yeah, this is the last straw. I don't care if the

> Yeah, this is the last straw. I don't care if the > records are pressed in > Afghan caves; Missy's breakin' out Johnny Cochran > this time around. > > - Char > >

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2002-04-26 21:47Kids Are Stupid yamaybe this is why it's coming out on violent turd, and not tigerbeat6. >From: Brandon Smit

From:: Kids Are Stupid ya <kids_are_stupid@hotmail.com>
To:: <gozravp@yahoo.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:47:25 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1

maybe this is why it's coming out on violent turd, and not tigerbeat6.

quoted 53 lines From: Brandon Smith <gozravp@yahoo.com>

>From: Brandon Smith <gozravp@yahoo.com> >To: Armchair Charlie <dubnovibrator@hotmail.com>, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1 >Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT) > >Does anyone know if anything of that sort actually >happens? Has anyone actually been approached by a >lawyer, etc? >I'd be scared to death if I were someone like him. I >know that tb6 ain't exactly WB records, but if the >RIAA is getting its feathers all ruffled over someone >buring a fucking cd for their friend, wouldn't it >stand to reason that this sort of thing can only go on >for so long? tb6 seems to be the most popular label >that does this sort of thing to a high degree. > >Brandon > > >--- Armchair Charlie <dubnovibrator@hotmail.com> >wrote: > > Yeah, this is the last straw. I don't care if the > > records are pressed in > > Afghan caves; Missy's breakin' out Johnny Cochran > > this time around. > > > > - Char > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > > your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more >http://games.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2002-04-26 22:11Kent williamsLiterally hundreds of bootleg remixes of popular songs come out every year. Big record lab

From:: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net>
To:: i'd do mary <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:11:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1

Literally hundreds of bootleg remixes of popular songs come out every year. Big record labels won't go after small operators unless there's significant money involved; if they press 2000 copies of the Missy Elliot remix, the profit on it (no more than $3000 tops) would only pay for a couple of hours of lawyering. Keep in mind that the maximum penalty for use without permission is the profit on the release and destroying any unsold stock. Since it's an overseas release they can't even sue in US courts. On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Kids Are Stupid ya wrote:

quoted 13 lines maybe this is why it's coming out on violent turd, and not tigerbeat6.

> maybe this is why it's coming out on violent turd, and not tigerbeat6. > > >Does anyone know if anything of that sort actually > >happens? Has anyone actually been approached by a > >lawyer, etc? > >I'd be scared to death if I were someone like him. I > >know that tb6 ain't exactly WB records, but if the > >RIAA is getting its feathers all ruffled over someone > >buring a fucking cd for their friend, wouldn't it > >stand to reason that this sort of thing can only go on > >for so long? tb6 seems to be the most popular label > >that does this sort of thing to a high degree. > >

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2002-04-26 23:36Jeremy Avnet* Kent williams (kent@avalon.net) said: > Since it's an overseas release they can't even s

From:: Jeremy Avnet <mlist-hyperreal@theory.org>
To:: i'd do mary <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:36:54 -0700
Subject:: Re: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1

* Kent williams (kent@avalon.net) said:

quoted 1 line Since it's an overseas release they can't even sue in US courts.

> Since it's an overseas release they can't even sue in US courts.

Copyright law is pretty much an international affair these days. I don't know how true that last statement is anymore. Think about the Skylarov case brought by Adobe last summer. Software developed by Russians in Russia. Court case in California. -- jeremy avnet / brainsik .:. Public Key at http://brainsik.to/pubkey.asc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2002-04-26 22:12Aboredbowler@aol.comwhile what he's doing is illegal, kid 606's records will never be bought instead of missy

From:: <Aboredbowler@aol.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:12:22 EDT
Subject:: Re: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1

while what he's doing is illegal, kid 606's records will never be bought instead of missy elliot's. they don't file them in the missy section, most missy fans don't know they exist... this goes for the other artists on the new album too. pursuing something like this would only make a record label look like the bad guy (more than they already do), so my guess would be then nothing at all will happen. i'm sure record industry people (at least some of them!) probably listen to kid 606, and freakbitchlickfly went off without a hitch, as have all the $$$ 7"s. gregory

2002-04-26 22:29String TheoryBrandon Smith <gozravp@yahoo.com> writes: > Does anyone know if anything of that sort actu

From:: String Theory <string@onshore.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: 26 Apr 2002 17:29:58 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1

Brandon Smith <gozravp@yahoo.com> writes:

quoted 10 lines Does anyone know if anything of that sort actually

> Does anyone know if anything of that sort actually > happens? Has anyone actually been approached by a > lawyer, etc? > I'd be scared to death if I were someone like him. I > know that tb6 ain't exactly WB records, but if the > RIAA is getting its feathers all ruffled over someone > buring a fucking cd for their friend, wouldn't it > stand to reason that this sort of thing can only go on > for so long? tb6 seems to be the most popular label > that does this sort of thing to a high degree.

1) he won't go to jail because the label is responsible for copyright infractions 2) it's not on tb6, it's on Violent Turd, which is run out of New Zealand. I don't know anything about NZ copyright law, but i bet it would be a huge hassle to try to litigate 3) the RIAA doesn't care about sampling and illicit remixes, that would be the domain of the publisher of the original work 4) rumor has it that Missy Elliot likes this stuff 5) the buggles are defunct :) 6) the production run is small enough and low-key enough it will probably slip by unnoticed just like the last batch of tb6 missy remixes -- String Theory -- http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi -- String Theory's Anhedonia CD/LP available at finer music stores worldwide --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2002-04-27 05:50String TheoryJeremy Avnet <mlist-hyperreal@theory.org> writes: > * Kent williams (kent@avalon.net) said

From:: String Theory <string@onshore.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: 27 Apr 2002 00:50:18 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1

Jeremy Avnet <mlist-hyperreal@theory.org> writes:

quoted 8 lines * Kent williams (kent@avalon.net) said:

> * Kent williams (kent@avalon.net) said: > > Since it's an overseas release they can't even sue in US courts. > > Copyright law is pretty much an international affair these days. I don't > know how true that last statement is anymore. > > Think about the Skylarov case brought by Adobe last summer. Software > developed by Russians in Russia. Court case in California.

that happened because the skylarov kid came to the usa and was arrested. the biggest difference is that skylarov violated US criminal codes by reverse engineering an encryption algorithm, which is a big time no no (a totally asinine law, and totally outside the scope of this list). the worst thing that could happen in this case is that violent turd will declare bankruptcy after being sued in a us civil case. unauthorized sampling/bootlegging is not a criminal act. besides, somehow i doubt that violent turd records inc. does much more than act as an offshore legal shield for miguel and co. for exactly this reason. -- String Theory -- http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi -- String Theory's Anhedonia CD/LP available at finer music stores worldwide --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2002-04-27 09:34Jeremy Avnet* String Theory (string@onshore.com) said: > that happened because the skylarov kid came t

From:: Jeremy Avnet <mlist-hyperreal@theory.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 02:34:59 -0700
Subject:: Re: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Kid 606 Is Going to Jail Vol. 1

* String Theory (string@onshore.com) said:

quoted 3 lines that happened because the skylarov kid came to the usa and was

> that happened because the skylarov kid came to the usa and was > arrested. the biggest difference is that skylarov violated US > criminal codes by reverse engineering an encryption algorithm, which

1. He violated the U.S. law when he was in Russia, not when he was in the U.S. 2. "Stealing" music is also a violation against U.S. law. I don't believe Violent Turd will be attacked. My point is to make people aware of how far copyright law is being taken now. Particularly in an international sense. -- jeremy avnet / brainsik .:. http://www.theory.org/~brainsik/pubkey.asc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org