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These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that were recently talked about. In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the forthcoming album, "We want to do this one at our own pace and only deliver it when we think we¹ve got something that is absolutely perfect, with no flaws." Then in the NME interview he says, "It's okay to be imperfect - in fact the imperfections are where the magic is. To us, perfect music sounds sterile and dead. The tunes we write are imperfect, the sounds are imperfect, even the artwork. I can't listen to perfect music, it bores me. We actually put a lot of effort into making things rough and difficult and noisy, even more so on this than on the last album." When I read things like this it makes me think that their philosophies have no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that. TekDz9er --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Well how old was the XLR8R interview... Because you have to realize and artists direction and concept can change a lot during or before the recording process.... Also, "perfect, with no flaws" could also just mean perfect by BOC standards....perfectly un-perfect, perfect at there sound....I dont know, not a big deal,...dont over or under read....who cares. --- Rob Salit <rsalit@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

quoted 31 lines These guys completely contradicted themselves in the

> These guys completely contradicted themselves in the > two interviews that > were recently talked about. > > In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the > forthcoming album, "We want to > do this one at our own pace and only deliver it when > we think we?ve got > something that is absolutely perfect, with no > flaws." > > Then in the NME interview he says, "It's okay to be > imperfect - in > fact the imperfections are where the magic is. To > us, perfect music sounds > sterile and dead. The tunes we write are imperfect, > the sounds are > imperfect, even the artwork. I can't listen to > perfect music, it bores me. > We actually put a lot of effort into making things > rough and difficult and > noisy, even more so on this than on the last album." > > When I read things like this it makes me think that > their philosophies have > no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that. > > TekDz9er > > >

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nice answers blake and xavior : ) On Monday, February 25, 2002, at 07:34 , Xavior Havoc wrote:

quoted 68 lines Well how old was the XLR8R interview...

> Well how old was the XLR8R interview... > Because you have to realize and artists direction and > concept can change a lot during or before the > recording process.... > Also, "perfect, with no flaws" could also just mean > perfect by BOC standards....perfectly un-perfect, > perfect at there sound....I dont know, not a big > deal,...dont over or under read....who cares. > > > --- Rob Salit <rsalit@nyc.rr.com> wrote: >> These guys completely contradicted themselves in the >> two interviews that >> were recently talked about. >> >> In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the >> forthcoming album, "We want to >> do this one at our own pace and only deliver it when >> we think weπve got >> something that is absolutely perfect, with no >> flaws." >> >> Then in the NME interview he says, "It's okay to be >> imperfect - in >> fact the imperfections are where the magic is. To >> us, perfect music sounds >> sterile and dead. The tunes we write are imperfect, >> the sounds are >> imperfect, even the artwork. I can't listen to >> perfect music, it bores me. >> We actually put a lot of effort into making things >> rough and difficult and >> noisy, even more so on this than on the last album." >> >> When I read things like this it makes me think that >> their philosophies have >> no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that. >> >> TekDz9er >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > ===== > ***ATTENTION**** ANYONE WHO HAS TRIED TO JOIN THE KOUNTERAKT LIST AT > THE WEBSITE BELOW IN THE LAST 3 MONTHS WAS NOT JOINED BECAUSE OF A CODE > ERROR....PLEASE VISIT AND RE-JOIN BEGINING DECEMBER 6 2001. THANK YOU, > X. HavokKounterakt in constant > evolution.http://www.kounterakt.cjb.net ("Industrial",Rock, > Experimental, I.D.M.)Circle Of Anxietyhttp://www.cofanx.cjb.net > (should appeal to fans of all sorts of I.D.M.) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Rob Salit wrote:

quoted 2 lines These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that

> These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that > were recently talked about.

not necessarily. if to them, "perfect" is defined as "imperfect," then perhaps they've created a "perfect" album based on all of its "imperfections." or something. p.s., george washington never actually cut down a cherry tree. -j --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

don't worry about what you read, you should be enjoying the music : ) it takes much, much more to build a real contradiction... some people would even say there is no such thing as a contradiction when you see both sides of a thing in that thing, chances are you are getting a much more real sense of the way it exists, or that it really exists at all... i find the seeming contradiction you point out very delightful anyway, it should be taken with a grain of salit ; P (sorry, couldn't resist) On Monday, February 25, 2002, at 07:26 , Rob Salit wrote:

quoted 29 lines These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that

> These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that > were recently talked about. > > In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the forthcoming album, "We > want to > do this one at our own pace and only deliver it when we think we’ve got > something that is absolutely perfect, with no flaws." > > Then in the NME interview he says, "It's okay to be imperfect - in > fact the imperfections are where the magic is. To us, perfect music > sounds > sterile and dead. The tunes we write are imperfect, the sounds are > imperfect, even the artwork. I can't listen to perfect music, it bores > me. > We actually put a lot of effort into making things rough and difficult > and > noisy, even more so on this than on the last album." > > When I read things like this it makes me think that their philosophies > have > no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that. > > TekDz9er > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Yes, agreed. Not to worry...I'm enjoying the music to its fullest. I think it would have been best had they not done either interview. The music is mysterious enough that people are able to draw their own conclusions about the hidden meanings, without being told what to look for. But I still believe that if you're going to come up with a story, at least stick to it. If not, people like myself will call them out on it. TekDz9er on 2/25/02 8:38 PM, excm. prin. fuminaro konoye at fuminaro@yahoo.com wrote:

quoted 14 lines don't worry about what you read, you should be enjoying the music : )

> don't worry about what you read, you should be enjoying the music : ) > > it takes much, much more to build a real contradiction... some people > would even say there is no such thing as a contradiction > > when you see both sides of a thing in that thing, chances are you are > getting a much more real sense of the way it exists, or that it really > exists at all... i find the seeming contradiction you point out very > delightful > > anyway, it should be taken with a grain of salit ; P (sorry, couldn't > resist) > >

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--- Rob Salit <rsalit@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

quoted 2 lines These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that

> These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that > were recently talked about.

I think there's a pretty huge difference between purposely making something imperfect for the reasons they gave, and releasing slop that has unintentional screw ups etc.

quoted 27 lines In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the forthcoming album, "We want

> > In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the forthcoming album, "We want > to > do this one at our own pace and only deliver it when we think we?ve got > something that is absolutely perfect, with no flaws." > > Then in the NME interview he says, "It's okay to be imperfect - in > fact the imperfections are where the magic is. To us, perfect music > sounds > sterile and dead. The tunes we write are imperfect, the sounds are > imperfect, even the artwork. I can't listen to perfect music, it bores > me. > We actually put a lot of effort into making things rough and difficult > and > noisy, even more so on this than on the last album." > > When I read things like this it makes me think that their philosophies > have > no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that. > > TekDz9er > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I think you've got the wrong idea. When they say imperfections I believe they mean imperfections in sound that they generated themselves. Like distortion or dissonance created to enhance other parts of the track. I don't think you understood them. On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Rob Salit wrote:

quoted 24 lines These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that

> These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that > were recently talked about. > > In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the forthcoming album, "We want to > do this one at our own pace and only deliver it when we think we?ve got > something that is absolutely perfect, with no flaws." > > Then in the NME interview he says, "It's okay to be imperfect - in > fact the imperfections are where the magic is. To us, perfect music sounds > sterile and dead. The tunes we write are imperfect, the sounds are > imperfect, even the artwork. I can't listen to perfect music, it bores me. > We actually put a lot of effort into making things rough and difficult and > noisy, even more so on this than on the last album." > > When I read things like this it makes me think that their philosophies have > no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that. > > TekDz9er > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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maybe they meant that they wanted to imperfections that satisfied them perfectly? blake/ Clockworm http://mp3.com/clockworm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Salit" <rsalit@nyc.rr.com> To: "IDM List" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:26 PM Subject: [idm] BOC Extreme Contradiction These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that were recently talked about. In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the forthcoming album, "We want to do this one at our own pace and only deliver it when we think we¹ve got something that is absolutely perfect, with no flaws." Then in the NME interview he says, "It's okay to be imperfect - in fact the imperfections are where the magic is. To us, perfect music sounds sterile and dead. The tunes we write are imperfect, the sounds are imperfect, even the artwork. I can't listen to perfect music, it bores me. We actually put a lot of effort into making things rough and difficult and noisy, even more so on this than on the last album." When I read things like this it makes me think that their philosophies have no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that. TekDz9er --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

get a life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Salit" <rsalit@nyc.rr.com> To: "IDM List" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: [idm] BOC Extreme Contradiction These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that were recently talked about. In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the forthcoming album, "We want to do this one at our own pace and only deliver it when we think we¹ve got something that is absolutely perfect, with no flaws." Then in the NME interview he says, "It's okay to be imperfect - in fact the imperfections are where the magic is. To us, perfect music sounds sterile and dead. The tunes we write are imperfect, the sounds are imperfect, even the artwork. I can't listen to perfect music, it bores me. We actually put a lot of effort into making things rough and difficult and noisy, even more so on this than on the last album." When I read things like this it makes me think that their philosophies have no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that. TekDz9er --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Come on, they're Scottish. Everyone knows the Scots don't really possess the same sort of capacity for rational thought that others do. Cut 'em a break.

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>----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob Salit" <rsalit@nyc.rr.com> >To: "IDM List" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:26 PM >Subject: [idm] BOC Extreme Contradiction > > >These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that >were recently talked about. > >In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the forthcoming album, "We want to >do this one at our own pace and only deliver it when we think we¹ve got >something that is absolutely perfect, with no flaws." > >Then in the NME interview he says, "It's okay to be imperfect - in >fact the imperfections are where the magic is. To us, perfect music sounds >sterile and dead. The tunes we write are imperfect, the sounds are >imperfect, even the artwork. I can't listen to perfect music, it bores me. >We actually put a lot of effort into making things rough and difficult and >noisy, even more so on this than on the last album." > >When I read things like this it makes me think that their philosophies have >no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that. > >TekDz9er

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What???!!! Boards of Canada Are GAY!!???!!! I'm selling my Warp stock!

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>----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob Salit" <rsalit@nyc.rr.com> >To: "IDM List" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:26 PM >Subject: [idm] BOC Extreme Contradiction > > >These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that >were recently talked about. > >In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the forthcoming album, "We want to >do this one at our own pace and only deliver it when we think we1ve got >something that is absolutely perfect, with no flaws." > >Then in the NME interview he says, "It's okay to be imperfect - in >fact the imperfections are where the magic is. To us, perfect music sounds >sterile and dead. The tunes we write are imperfect, the sounds are >imperfect, even the artwork. I can't listen to perfect music, it bores me. >We actually put a lot of effort into making things rough and difficult and >noisy, even more so on this than on the last album." > >When I read things like this it makes me think that their philosophies have >no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that. > >TekDz9er > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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they also put very important thought on their album, against censorship, yet they moderate and remove posts from the yahoo board. we don't need to get into that one though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Salit" <rsalit@nyc.rr.com> To: "IDM List" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: [idm] BOC Extreme Contradiction These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that were recently talked about. In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the forthcoming album, "We want to do this one at our own pace and only deliver it when we think we¹ve got something that is absolutely perfect, with no flaws." Then in the NME interview he says, "It's okay to be imperfect - in fact the imperfections are where the magic is. To us, perfect music sounds sterile and dead. The tunes we write are imperfect, the sounds are imperfect, even the artwork. I can't listen to perfect music, it bores me. We actually put a lot of effort into making things rough and difficult and noisy, even more so on this than on the last album." When I read things like this it makes me think that their philosophies have no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that. TekDz9er --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line they also put very important thought on their album, against censorship,

> they also put very important thought on their album, against censorship,

yet

quoted 3 lines they moderate and remove posts from the yahoo board.

> they moderate and remove posts from the yahoo board. > > we don't need to get into that one though.

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In a message dated 2/25/02 7:28:55 PM Central Standard Time, rsalit@nyc.rr.com writes: << When I read things like this it makes me think that their philosophies have no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that. >> maybe they did it so people who don't listen for just the music will stop liking them. --------------------------------- Raoul's Left Ear http://www.geocities.com/raoulsleftear/Intro.html ---------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

My comment was really more of an observation than anything else. In fact, it somewhat adds to the intrigue of the duo. I liked the couple of comments I read about how maybe their idea of a perfect album is something that is slightly imperfect. Personally, I don't think the words perfect and music should ever be spoken in the same sentence. There is nothing perfect about music of any kind unless there is something relative to compare it to. And even then, I'm still not convinced that it makes sense. TekDz9er --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines My comment was really more of an observation than anything else. In fact,

> My comment was really more of an observation than anything else. In fact, > it somewhat adds to the intrigue of the duo. I liked the couple of

comments

quoted 3 lines I read about how maybe their idea of a perfect album is something that is

> I read about how maybe their idea of a perfect album is something that is > slightly imperfect. Personally, I don't think the words perfect and music > should ever be spoken in the same sentence. There is nothing perfect

about

quoted 1 line music of any kind unless there is something relative to compare it to.

> music of any kind unless there is something relative to compare it to.

And

quoted 1 line even then, I'm still not convinced that it makes sense.

> even then, I'm still not convinced that it makes sense.

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Well, it figures. XLR8R's a crap magazine. I'd lie to them too. ;)

quoted 16 lines These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that

>These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that >were recently talked about. > >In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the forthcoming album, "We want to >do this one at our own pace and only deliver it when we think we1ve got >something that is absolutely perfect, with no flaws." > >Then in the NME interview he says, "It's okay to be imperfect - in >fact the imperfections are where the magic is. To us, perfect music sounds >sterile and dead. The tunes we write are imperfect, the sounds are >imperfect, even the artwork. I can't listen to perfect music, it bores me. >We actually put a lot of effort into making things rough and difficult and >noisy, even more so on this than on the last album." > >When I read things like this it makes me think that their philosophies have >no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that.

philip sherburne staff hack, xlr8r www.xlr8r.com contributing editor, neumu https://www.neumu.net/needledrops

i guess i would not be wrong if i added a few words here. BoC were aiming to capture sounds that are fucked, decayed, falling apart but in a perfect way. sort of a hi tech lo fi angle ( that i have been aming to capture for ages, but is so darn difficult. im all copmooter musicz you see ) regards, teardropb

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>From: kingmob@nmt.edu >I think you've got the wrong idea. When they say imperfections I believe >they mean imperfections in sound that they generated themselves. Like >distortion or dissonance created to enhance other parts of the track. I >don't think you understood them. > > >On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Rob Salit wrote: > > > These guys completely contradicted themselves in the two interviews that > > were recently talked about. > > > > In the XLR8R interview, Mike says about the forthcoming album, "We want >to > > do this one at our own pace and only deliver it when we think we?ve got > > something that is absolutely perfect, with no flaws." > > > > Then in the NME interview he says, "It's okay to be imperfect - in > > fact the imperfections are where the magic is. To us, perfect music >sounds > > sterile and dead. The tunes we write are imperfect, the sounds are > > imperfect, even the artwork. I can't listen to perfect music, it bores >me. > > We actually put a lot of effort into making things rough and difficult >and > > noisy, even more so on this than on the last album." > > > > When I read things like this it makes me think that their philosophies >have > > no credibility. I wish I hadn't read that. > > > > TekDz9er

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