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◇ merged from 4 subjects: exactly! that was my point- that kind of "ethnic" is pure commercial(-) · i wrote about 3rd world but it went above your head · idm politics · nortec (was 3rd world)
2002-02-06 17:14Re: [idm] idm politics
└─ 2002-02-06 17:55s r [idm] i wrote about 3rd world but it went above your head
└─ 2002-01-16 23:11excm. prin. fuminaro konoye Re: [idm] i wrote about 3rd world but it went above your head
2002-02-06 18:49s r Re: [idm] i wrote about 3rd world but it went above your head
├─ 2002-02-06 21:02ugly and mean Re: [idm] i wrote about 3rd world but it went above your head
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│ ├─ 2002-02-06 21:48Dan Haskovec Re: [idm] i wrote about 3rd world but it went above your head
│ ├─ 2002-02-06 21:52j snod Re: [idm] Nortec (was 3rd world)
│ └─ 2002-02-07 03:30s r [idm] exactly! that was my point- that kind of "ethnic" is pure commercial(-)
└─ 2002-02-07 01:31Lander Re: [idm] i wrote about 3rd world but it went above your head
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2002-02-06 17:14Gaiatekztur214@aol.comanti-globalization, yea, i give a rats ass, honestly i do...hmm...i wonder if warp CDs are
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anti-globalization, yea, i give a rats ass, honestly i do...hmm...i wonder if warp CDs are pressed by 6 year olds in indonesia....in any case, to avoid payrolling these corporate monoliths, ie nike, disney, citibank et al...ya gotta be pretty dedicated..the idm-makers lot sem to be able to focus their energy quite well...but i dunno if you/me/i/us/we can alter the views of those on the list...iM all for opening up peoples eyes to the real world around them (via fast food nation discussion, numerous web pages, videos, performances, protests etc) but i dont think this is the place to do it...Oh yea, WHOEVER WROTE THAT BIT ABOUT 3RD WORLD COUNTIES PRODUCING DATED/BORING/HOPELESS MUSIC IS AN ABSOLUTE ASS, AN ASS ABSOLUTELY...i mean seriously you need help tidewatergemfish --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-06 17:55s rit is a fact that 3rd world is not producing things that we use. they manufacture them, li
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it is a fact that 3rd world is not producing things that we use. they manufacture them, like press cd-s maybe but your idiocy comes from not realizing that 3rd world is a victim of what is going on not the originator of the problem the fact that 3rd world music is substandard to western produced is of the same nature that people are getting killed in India because of some US chemical plant. it means trouble to us, you loonie! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-16 23:11excm. prin. fuminaro konoyenow that you have surfaced to produce an almost cogent enough reply for dissection... and
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now that you have surfaced to produce an almost cogent enough reply for dissection... and although i am of course not convinced you are earnest... to debunk your idle prattling: 1.) 3rd world music is not "substandard", you have not produced any arguments to that end nor any examples of this; 2.) you really can't have a discussion by calling people idiots, much less by pointing out idiocy where there is none to be had, and even much less by looking unintelligent yourself; 3.) you repeat statements like "3rd world music is substandard..." over and over again, still without any supporting arguments, as if repetition itself was some sort of support; 4.) the vague socioeconomic problems you allude to probably have more to do with your present incapacity for discussion than with industrial accidents in any part of the world; 5.) you attempt to associate some very different "ideas", both of which may be entirely fictitious, through something that doesn't remotely resemble logic at all; i know the first, "3rd world music is substandard", is entirely false, for starters... after that, you decry u.s. foreign holdings as having negative effects on other societies, and then you reveal a personal attitude of pseudo-colonization by exclaiming "it means trouble to us"... i can't explain how you think music-making is in some way affected by the artifacts of your mode of discussion, nor can i explain who you believe that figurative "us" is; 6.) you speak from a saddeningly egocentric point of view, as if any community, not just this one, necessarily only included citizens of certain or the "first world" countries you apparently limit your admiration to. it frightens me to imagine what sort of standards you may adhere to. to sum it up, you have no idea of what you are talking about, and hardly any idea of how to talk at all. the way of life of people in another country should not be judged only by one group's or one person's socioeconomic standards. even more so when you seem to ignore completely any other way of life outside of yours (which has revealed itself to be more "underdeveloped" than any number of "obscure" countries). if i believed myself to form only part of a certain country, zone or "world", i would concentrate even harder on learning more about the place where i lived and the places i had yet to see... you sound like you know very little, or put what you may know to very scarce use... as it is, you are only making a bad name for yourself, when you likely wish most to accomplish the exact opposite... this is, ideally, a place where people come to say intelligent things, and where i believe there are a lot of good minds. if you cannot find it in yourself to stop wasting your time, i suggest you remove yourself. On Wednesday, February 6, 2002, at 11:55 , s r wrote:
quoted 26 lines it is a fact that 3rd world is not producing> it is a fact that 3rd world is not producing > things that we use. > > they manufacture them, like press cd-s maybe > > > but your idiocy comes from not realizing that > 3rd world is a victim of what is going on not the > originator of the problem > > the fact that 3rd world music is substandard to > western produced is of the same nature that > people are getting killed in India because of > some US chemical plant. > > it means trouble to us, you loonie! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-02-06 18:49s rall the stuff u mantioned is lame and outdated i am fed up with ethnic stuff since the 80s
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all the stuff u mantioned is lame and outdated i am fed up with ethnic stuff since the 80s- it all stays the same, never developes. see, what i mean is you dont watch the same movie for 500 times, right? you go to see new stuff same with books - new books are written and music. arts(some people call it culture but technically culture is everything from arts to industry)- so, arts is a living organizm, it developes, grows, dies, gives births. So, if you are a gipsy and play your Piazzola guitar the same way for years you will bore people By the way Piazzola is portugal isnt he? It is not 3rd world. It is much more complicated than that. take China- 1.3 billion people. Any good arts? Ok, couple of peculiar movies, i even liked some, maybe a Mao cap i have hanging at my door,- 1.3 bilion sober people produced for the last 20 years when their gestapo stoped mass arrests and more or less free market climate was reached... Then take Germany- tottally ruined in 1945. Lost 2/3 of population and had everybody left brainwashed, raped by russian soldiers and sifilis rates of close to 80%(1945). Shoold i count films, books, music their people produced since 1945? i dont know the answer but liberal all-inclusive crap doesnt make no sense when you r trying to get to the bottom of things. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-06 21:02ugly and mean--- s r <svinrave@yahoo.com> wrote: > all the stuff u mantioned is lame and outdated > > i
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quoted 22 lines all the stuff u mantioned is lame and outdated> all the stuff u mantioned is lame and outdated > > i am fed up with ethnic stuff since the 80s- > > it all stays the same, never developes. > > see, what i mean is you dont watch the same movie > for 500 times, right? > you go to see new stuff > > same with books - new books are written > > and music. > > arts(some people call it culture but technically > culture is everything from arts to industry)- > so, arts is a living organizm, it developes, > grows, dies, gives births. > > So, if you are a gipsy and play your Piazzola > guitar the same way for years you will bore > people
I was originally annoyed by your "third world" comment, but I actually agree with this clarification. Even the Nortec Collective or whatever it's called that everyone raves about seemed kind of gimmicky. "Oh, the white people will dig this one" type of thing. I don't really know if it's because the only thing that gets to .. first world or whatever countries is the watered down crap with ethnic gimmicks, so white people can tell other white people, "oh, cool, there's this new group from Mexico that's so cutting edge - they fuse IDM with ... traditional Mexican instrumentation. I'm so open-minded and multi-cultural for liking it!" If it would have been good, I would have liked it regardless of all that, but it made me yawn over and over again. Incidentally, I noticed that Microsoft plugged Nortec Collective when my stupid media player sidebar opened (I've tried everything and I still can't get IE6 to launch winamp for .wav). I would also like to say that in the past week I've laughed more reading this list than ever before. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-16 23:23excm. prin. fuminaro konoyebtw, i live in mexico and there is a lot of other music here besides those bums from norte
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btw, i live in mexico and there is a lot of other music here besides those bums from nortec... i wish people wouldn't always think of them when mexico is mentioned, they have nothing to do with life in mexico really. i think they really suck and so does anyone here with a half a brain to their name... also a couple of years ago i saw the nortec bozos at the unionfest and they were playing to an empty field... everyone hated them, although playing to an empty lot kind of seems like the best thing they may have ever done as far as i can recall... my favorite act from here is called alcachofa, that's like that plant you eat the leaves off one at a time slathed in butter... the leaves i mean... these guys used to play some nice electrosalsa... i mean real honest to goodness salsa with some electronic elements... or sometimes just mixing electronic songs and salsa songs at a small club called La Perla in the downtown area, this was a couple of years back... it sounded lovely and i danced with a pretty girl... another nice group of people is parador analogo from which some members sometimes played nice soft lounge music on sundays at a club in a part of town known as "la condesa" which is kind of like coconut grove in miami (u.s.), well, maybe a little more tolerable... i'll try and post more on mexican music... as soon as i get my bearings... On Wednesday, February 6, 2002, at 03:02 , ugly and mean wrote:
quoted 54 lines --- s r <svinrave@yahoo.com> wrote:> --- s r <svinrave@yahoo.com> wrote: >> all the stuff u mantioned is lame and outdated >> >> i am fed up with ethnic stuff since the 80s- >> >> it all stays the same, never developes. >> >> see, what i mean is you dont watch the same movie >> for 500 times, right? >> you go to see new stuff >> >> same with books - new books are written >> >> and music. >> >> arts(some people call it culture but technically >> culture is everything from arts to industry)- >> so, arts is a living organizm, it developes, >> grows, dies, gives births. >> >> So, if you are a gipsy and play your Piazzola >> guitar the same way for years you will bore >> people > > > I was originally annoyed by your "third world" comment, but I actually > agree with this clarification. Even the Nortec Collective or whatever > it's called that everyone raves about seemed kind of gimmicky. "Oh, the > white people will dig this one" type of thing. I don't really know if > it's because the only thing that gets to .. first world or whatever > countries is the watered down crap with ethnic gimmicks, so white people > can tell other white people, "oh, cool, there's this new group from > Mexico > that's so cutting edge - they fuse IDM with ... traditional Mexican > instrumentation. I'm so open-minded and multi-cultural for liking it!" > If it would have been good, I would have liked it regardless of all > that, > but it made me yawn over and over again. Incidentally, I noticed that > Microsoft plugged Nortec Collective when my stupid media player sidebar > opened (I've tried everything and I still can't get IE6 to launch winamp > for .wav). > > I would also like to say that in the past week I've laughed more reading > this list than ever before. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-02-07 03:04ugly and mean--- "excm. prin. fuminaro konoye" <fuminaro@yahoo.com> wrote: > btw, i live in mexico and
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quoted 6 lines btw, i live in mexico and there is a lot of other music here besides> btw, i live in mexico and there is a lot of other music here besides > those bums from nortec... i wish people wouldn't always think of them > when mexico is mentioned, they have nothing to do with life in mexico > really. > i think they really suck and so does anyone here with a half a brain to > their name...
I was just agreeing with whoever said that music from 3rd world countries that make it to us gringos, all seems to be based on whatever traditional music from whatever country it originated from. Whether or not Nortec is good or not (I was just using them for an example, because they've managed to attract a lot of trendy yuppy ears here where I live) is not what I'm talking about. I'd be really interested to hear some of the electronic/salsa/lounge stuff you refer to, though. peace. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-06 21:48Dan HaskovecThe Nortec Collective is from Tijuana, which has a very US-influenced culture, as well as
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The Nortec Collective is from Tijuana, which has a very US-influenced culture, as well as being a mix of many cultures from the rest of Mexico. I wouldn't call a composer using sound samples that are personal to them "gimmicky", I'd argue that most anyone with integrity does that. Maybe the sounds they use already have too many strong negative connotations for you to enjoy them, or maybe you just don't like what they do with them.... in any case, I think their stuff is pretty great, but then I grew up 50 miles from TJ in San Diego, so maybe those sounds have some personal meaning to me. dan On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, ugly and mean wrote:
quoted 11 lines I was originally annoyed by your "third world" comment, but I actually> I was originally annoyed by your "third world" comment, but I actually > agree with this clarification. Even the Nortec Collective or whatever > it's called that everyone raves about seemed kind of gimmicky. "Oh, the > white people will dig this one" type of thing. I don't really know if > it's because the only thing that gets to .. first world or whatever > countries is the watered down crap with ethnic gimmicks, so white people > can tell other white people, "oh, cool, there's this new group from Mexico > that's so cutting edge - they fuse IDM with ... traditional Mexican > instrumentation. I'm so open-minded and multi-cultural for liking it!" > If it would have been good, I would have liked it regardless of all that, > but it made me yawn over and over again.
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2002-02-06 21:52j snodliving in san diego, a mere 15 minutes from tijuana, i just have to say that you've got th
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living in san diego, a mere 15 minutes from tijuana, i just have to say that you've got the nortec collective all wrong. forget what the media tells you.. DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE. the nortec collective is simply a bunch of guys making electronic music that just happens to be influenced by the music that surrounds them in their environment. they are not some "culture schooling gimick" and they don't give a fuck about sounding "ethnic" because to them, that sound is not "ethnic" at all (in the white-middle-class-american sense of the term). it's just what their parents were listening to in the house while they were out playing cops and robbers in the back yard. in fact, the majority of them hate nortena music, just as most kids hate their parents' music. but instead of whining about it they decided to hijack it and make it into their own... perhaps we should start to criticize boards of canada for trying to push "ethnic 70s/80s canadian public broadcasting music" on us... what nortec has done for tijuana as a city and a culture is more than spectacular, and they should be respected for that, if not for the music itself. -j On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, ugly and mean wrote:
quoted 27 lines I was originally annoyed by your "third world" comment, but I actually> I was originally annoyed by your "third world" comment, but I actually > agree with this clarification. Even the Nortec Collective or whatever > it's called that everyone raves about seemed kind of gimmicky. "Oh, the > white people will dig this one" type of thing. I don't really know if > it's because the only thing that gets to .. first world or whatever > countries is the watered down crap with ethnic gimmicks, so white people > can tell other white people, "oh, cool, there's this new group from Mexico > that's so cutting edge - they fuse IDM with ... traditional Mexican > instrumentation. I'm so open-minded and multi-cultural for liking it!" > If it would have been good, I would have liked it regardless of all that, > but it made me yawn over and over again. Incidentally, I noticed that > Microsoft plugged Nortec Collective when my stupid media player sidebar > opened (I've tried everything and I still can't get IE6 to launch winamp > for .wav). > > I would also like to say that in the past week I've laughed more reading > this list than ever before. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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[idm] exactly! that was my point- that kind of "ethnic" is pure commercial(-)
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2002-02-07 01:31Lander--- s r <svinrave@yahoo.com> wrote: > all the stuff u mantioned is lame and outdated [blah
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--- s r <svinrave@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 1 line all the stuff u mantioned is lame and outdated> all the stuff u mantioned is lame and outdated
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quoted 3 lines i dont know the answer but liberal all-inclusive> i dont know the answer but liberal all-inclusive > crap doesnt make no sense when you r trying to > get to the bottom of things.
Hey s r, you are such a liar. After all your self righteous crap regarding drug use, I've finally realized that you haven't made a sober post to this list since I've noticed your name. You aren't stupid like everyone thinks, you're just high as a kite! And having a grand old time yanking everyone's chain, I'm sure. "Above your head" indeed... clever AND corny. What do I win for being the first to get the joke? I want some of whatever you're on, if I get a choice. Z __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-06 19:15--|.TWINE.|-- >I like to watch the same movies 500 times or so. and the new ones. >From: s r <svinrave@ya
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I like to watch the same movies 500 times or so. and the new ones.
quoted 80 lines From: s r <svinrave@yahoo.com>>From: s r <svinrave@yahoo.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] i wrote about 3rd world but it went above your head >Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:49:45 -0800 (PST) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.133.83.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBE2AC5B6000A4136E85BD1855316051C0; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:49:28 -0800 >Received: (qmail 69852 invoked by uid 1153); 6 Feb 2002 18:49:42 -0000 >Received: (qmail 69781 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 18:49:41 -0000 >>From idm-return-47394-twine_sound Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:49:36 -0800 >Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: <mailto:idm-help@hyperreal.org> >list-unsubscribe: <mailto:idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org> >list-post: <mailto:idm@hyperreal.org> >Delivered-To: mailing list idm@hyperreal.org >Message-ID: <20020206184945.80270.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> >In-Reply-To: <48afd5d48af94f.48af94f48afd5d@homemail.nyu.edu> >X-Spam-Rating: taz3.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > >all the stuff u mantioned is lame and outdated > >i am fed up with ethnic stuff since the 80s- > >it all stays the same, never developes. > >see, what i mean is you dont watch the same movie >for 500 times, right? >you go to see new stuff > >same with books - new books are written > >and music. > >arts(some people call it culture but technically >culture is everything from arts to industry)- >so, arts is a living organizm, it developes, >grows, dies, gives births. > >So, if you are a gipsy and play your Piazzola >guitar the same way for years you will bore >people > >By the way Piazzola is portugal isnt he? >It is not 3rd world. > >It is much more complicated than that. > >take China- 1.3 billion people. > >Any good arts? >Ok, couple of peculiar movies, i even liked some, >maybe a Mao cap i have hanging at my door,- >1.3 bilion sober people produced for the last 20 >years when their gestapo stoped mass arrests and >more or less free market climate was reached... > >Then take Germany- tottally ruined in 1945. > >Lost 2/3 of population and had everybody left >brainwashed, raped by russian soldiers and >sifilis rates of close to 80%(1945). > >Shoold i count films, books, music their people >produced since 1945? > >i dont know the answer but liberal all-inclusive >crap doesnt make no sense when you r trying to >get to the bottom of things. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-02-07 09:24Gaiatekztur214@aol.comhey this has nothing to do with the third world comment >>>> whats up with the AE DVD??? i
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hey this has nothing to do with the third world comment
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