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At 2:33 PM -0400 10/24/01, Conrad Seaman wrote:

quoted 10 lines Well maybe someone out there has similar problems to me (and solutions). I

>Well maybe someone out there has similar problems to me (and solutions). I >live in an apartment that demands a certain level of peace but I listen to >music that is heavy on bass. The problem is not so much the sound itself >but the transfer of vibration to the structure of the building. >The people around me don't complain about the 'noise', it's the people below >me that complain about the vibrations. >In actuality I don't have the muic all that loud but my speakers seem to >transfer the sound directly to the floor and into the apartments below me. >Can anyone suggest something or a method of reducing the sound transfer? >

If you have bookshelf speakers, place them on good speaker stands with spikes. The stands prohibit the vibrations from passing into the floor. They also will improve the speakers sound mightily. Shane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Good question. I have the exact same problem. The neighbors (downstairs) don't complain about the music, they complian about the 'thud, thud, thud' of the bass. Any insight I would appreciate as well. It's not like I'm going to invest $2000 in the foam pieces though... For now I just have the bass turned all the way down :( Sometimes I walk around with headphones... Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music For The Mind http://www.shimone.org | Pictures From The Soul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conrad Seaman" <CSeaman@rpmtec.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: [idm] Sound Insulation

quoted 1 line Well maybe someone out there has similar problems to me (and solutions).

> Well maybe someone out there has similar problems to me (and solutions).

I

quoted 4 lines live in an apartment that demands a certain level of peace but I listen to

> live in an apartment that demands a certain level of peace but I listen to > music that is heavy on bass. The problem is not so much the sound itself > but the transfer of vibration to the structure of the building. > The people around me don't complain about the 'noise', it's the people

below

quoted 16 lines me that complain about the vibrations.

> me that complain about the vibrations. > In actuality I don't have the muic all that loud but my speakers seem to > transfer the sound directly to the floor and into the apartments below me. > Can anyone suggest something or a method of reducing the sound transfer? > > > > Conrad Delbert Seaman > RPM Technolgies > CSeaman@RPMtec.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Maybe a stupid question, but you guys don't have your speakers sitting *on* the floor, do you? If so, get them up in the air. Hanging them from the ceiling will help the bass from rattling the walls and floors...somewhat.

quoted 34 lines Good question.

>Good question. >I have the exact same problem. >The neighbors (downstairs) don't complain about the music, >they complian about the 'thud, thud, thud' of the bass. > >Any insight I would appreciate as well. >It's not like I'm going to invest $2000 in the foam pieces though... > >For now I just have the bass turned all the way down :( >Sometimes I walk around with headphones... > >Shimone/Justes >http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music For The Mind >http://www.shimone.org | Pictures From The Soul > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Conrad Seaman" <CSeaman@rpmtec.com> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:33 AM >Subject: [idm] Sound Insulation > > >> Well maybe someone out there has similar problems to me (and solutions). >I >> live in an apartment that demands a certain level of peace but I listen to >> music that is heavy on bass. The problem is not so much the sound itself >> but the transfer of vibration to the structure of the building. >> The people around me don't complain about the 'noise', it's the people >below >> me that complain about the vibrations. >> In actuality I don't have the muic all that loud but my speakers seem to >> transfer the sound directly to the floor and into the apartments below me. > > Can anyone suggest something or a method of reducing the sound transfer?

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Well I have a 4 point virtual surround system that runs from all my input devices (turtables, etc) through my mixer and into my computer, the rear speakers are mounted 5 feet off the floor these are satelites mostly for treble and mids and they don't kick much bass out so they're safe. Up front I have 2 speaker boxes with 15' woofers (as well as mids and horns) these are laying sideways on the floor to keep the bass low and the mids high. I realize this is about as bad a condion as you can have. Getting my woofers off the floor would help a lot. This is exactly the problem. If there was something out there that would lift my woofers say 2 inches off the floor and insulate them against the floor we'd have a great situation. The room itself would still be full of sound but the transfer of bass to the structure of the room would be reduced. Thus I could spin at a fuller volume without disturbing the rest of the world. -----Original Message----- From: EggyToast [mailto:youn0394@umn.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:41 PM To: Conrad Seaman Subject: Re: [idm] Sound Insulation On 24 Oct 2001, Conrad Seaman doth wrote:

quoted 1 line Well maybe someone out there has similar problems to me (and solutions).

> Well maybe someone out there has similar problems to me (and solutions).

I

quoted 1 line live in an apartment that demands a certain level of peace but I listen

> live in an apartment that demands a certain level of peace but I listen

to

quoted 3 lines music that is heavy on bass. The problem is not so much the sound itself

> music that is heavy on bass. The problem is not so much the sound itself > but the transfer of vibration to the structure of the building. > The people around me don't complain about the 'noise', it's the people

below

quoted 3 lines me that complain about the vibrations.

> me that complain about the vibrations. > In actuality I don't have the muic all that loud but my speakers seem to > transfer the sound directly to the floor and into the apartments below

me.

quoted 1 line Can anyone suggest something or a method of reducing the sound transfer?

> Can anyone suggest something or a method of reducing the sound transfer?

What's your current setup like? As in, physical location of speakers, what sort of speakers you have, and so on? A lot of this depends on what your setup is like. For instance, if you had a subwoofer on the floor, I'd say "take it off the floor." derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Conrad Seaman wrote:

quoted 15 lines Well I have a 4 point virtual surround system that runs from all my input

> Well I have a 4 point virtual surround system that runs from all my input > devices (turtables, etc) through my mixer and into my computer, > the rear speakers are mounted 5 feet off the floor these are satelites > mostly for treble and mids and they don't kick much bass out so they're > safe. > Up front I have 2 speaker boxes with 15' woofers (as well as mids and horns) > these are laying sideways on the floor to keep the bass low and the mids > high. I realize this is about as bad a condion as you can have. Getting my > woofers off the floor would help a lot. This is exactly the problem. If > there was something out there that would lift my woofers say 2 inches off > the floor and insulate them against the floor we'd have a great situation. > The room itself would still be full of sound but the transfer of bass to the > structure of the room would be reduced. Thus I could spin at a fuller > volume without disturbing the rest of the world. >

Try traffic cones or milk crates. If the bass is closer to your head you won't need it so loud anyway. By the way 15" subs with proper amp and cabinet can be loud enough for a small club. Maybe something smaller would be less overwhelming? The best solution is to move into a house, but I know that may not be feasible. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 24 Oct 2001, at 14:43, Conrad Seaman wrote:

quoted 4 lines Getting my woofers off the floor would help a lot. This is

> Getting my woofers off the floor would help a lot. This is > exactly the problem. If there was something out there that would > lift my woofers say 2 inches off the floor and insulate them > against the floor

My husband suggests making a foam sandwich / foam cushion, to get it off the floor (about 6 inches worth in thickness) - other than that create a false floor with a gap of space between the speakers and the 'real' floor - but obviously this is not viable in your situation. Is it a wooden floor or concrete? If it's wood, you're worse off, apparently. In fact, the whole room becomes a speaker box if the floor is wood, and passes the low frequency sound through the sturcture and makes it resonate, and there's NO WAY ROUND THAT. If it's a concrete slab, put it on the foam cushion to prevent structure-borne sound radiation. Good luck!! We all have this same problem (leaking sound, complaining neighbours, bass transfer). I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Here is what I would suggest if you have the extra time.... Build or find to buy, a wooden (very sturdy) flat surface stand no less than 5 inches from the ground.. I have attached a picture for reference.... Notice the legs go thin at the bottom, that is to minimize the vibration from the bass to the floor. If you make sure it is no less than 6 inches from the ground that with the thin legs will also minimize or eliminate the "speaker box" effect explained below. I would probably toss a little acoustic foam under the stand also...but make sure you get the thick stuff, or ask about foam specially made to control bass frequencies. I think they make stands that would solve your problem....but they may be pricy. Hope this help a little. xh --- Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com> wrote:

quoted 40 lines On 24 Oct 2001, at 14:43, Conrad Seaman wrote:

> On 24 Oct 2001, at 14:43, Conrad Seaman wrote: > > > Getting my woofers off the floor would help a > lot. This is > > exactly the problem. If there was something out > there that would > > lift my woofers say 2 inches off the floor and > insulate them > > against the floor > > My husband suggests making a foam sandwich / foam > cushion, to > get it off the floor (about 6 inches worth in > thickness) - other than > that create a false floor with a gap of space > between the speakers > and the 'real' floor - but obviously this is not > viable in your situation. > > Is it a wooden floor or concrete? If it's wood, > you're worse off, > apparently. In fact, the whole room becomes a > speaker box if the > floor is wood, and passes the low frequency sound > through the > sturcture and makes it resonate, and there's NO WAY > ROUND THAT. > If it's a concrete slab, put it on the foam cushion > to prevent > structure-borne sound radiation. > > Good luck!! We all have this same problem (leaking > sound, > complaining neighbours, bass transfer). > > I > * > > >

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I just replied to the original poster off-list, but it would help if you outlined your current speaker layout, the types of speakers you had, and so on. A lot of times the placement of speakers has a lot to do with how sound is transferred, so knowing the layout would be really helpful. For example, are you using computer speakers? small bose speakers? giant subwoofers face-down on the ground? :D derek On 24 Oct 2001, Static Beats doth wrote:

quoted 24 lines Good question.

> Good question. > I have the exact same problem. > The neighbors (downstairs) don't complain about the music, > they complian about the 'thud, thud, thud' of the bass. > > Any insight I would appreciate as well. > It's not like I'm going to invest $2000 in the foam pieces though... > > For now I just have the bass turned all the way down :( > Sometimes I walk around with headphones... > > Shimone/Justes > http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music For The Mind > http://www.shimone.org | Pictures From The Soul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Conrad Seaman" <CSeaman@rpmtec.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:33 AM > Subject: [idm] Sound Insulation > > > > Well maybe someone out there has similar problems to me (and

solutions).

quoted 2 lines I

> I > > live in an apartment that demands a certain level of peace but I listen

to

quoted 1 line music that is heavy on bass. The problem is not so much the sound

> > music that is heavy on bass. The problem is not so much the sound

itself

quoted 5 lines but the transfer of vibration to the structure of the building.

> > but the transfer of vibration to the structure of the building. > > The people around me don't complain about the 'noise', it's the people > below > > me that complain about the vibrations. > > In actuality I don't have the muic all that loud but my speakers seem

to

quoted 1 line transfer the sound directly to the floor and into the apartments below

> > transfer the sound directly to the floor and into the apartments below

me.

quoted 1 line Can anyone suggest something or a method of reducing the sound

> > Can anyone suggest something or a method of reducing the sound

transfer?

quoted 19 lines Conrad Delbert Seaman

> > > > > > > > Conrad Delbert Seaman > > RPM Technolgies > > CSeaman@RPMtec.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Well, why don't you put a piece of foam on the ground, put a few bricks on top of the foam and then set your speakers up on top of the bricks? This would do an excellent job of keeping most of the low freq. noise from driving thru yer floor and driving your neighbors to murderous rages. Maybe. >:- ] Hope it helps, -somrux. http://www.somrux.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Oh yeah-yea, I got the same issue...and this damn subwoofer I got dont aid in the matter. I havent read the other replies save Eggs but ah---some things absorb the base frequency better than other things. For example, a couch/sofa or love seat--large things like a bed and what-have U--absorbs the low end sound.....but typically what I do is place my speaker on stands or on their sides. This helps in diverting the natural frequency traveling downward(obviously the sub and most speakers are designed this way), it displaces the heavy bass sound I have found. So place the speakers on their sides, turn your sub off or lower the volume on it, drop the eq....and get busy fella! Ach-kay! -----Original Message----- From: Conrad Seaman [mailto:CSeaman@rpmtec.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:34 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Sound Insulation Well maybe someone out there has similar problems to me (and solutions). I live in an apartment that demands a certain level of peace but I listen to music that is heavy on bass. The problem is not so much the sound itself but the transfer of vibration to the structure of the building. The people around me don't complain about the 'noise', it's the people below me that complain about the vibrations. In actuality I don't have the muic all that loud but my speakers seem to transfer the sound directly to the floor and into the apartments below me. Can anyone suggest something or a method of reducing the sound transfer? Conrad Delbert Seaman RPM Technolgies CSeaman@RPMtec.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines Can anyone suggest something or a method of reducing the sound transfer?

> > Can anyone suggest something or a method of reducing the sound transfer? > >

My downstais neighbor would complain about the same thing. I've got a simple Bose 2 speaker set up (the little cube ones) with a subwoofer. I picked up a cheap speaker stand for the sub at about $75 and problem solved. Of course you can use just about anything around the house for speaker stands. I also recommend highly getting some of those little spikes to put on the end of your system's legs. I don't know how they do it so effectively, but before I had them, I couldn't walk across the room without skipping the record. Now I can literally jump up and down just a few feet from the turntable and it plays fine. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I would ajust the location of the speakers so they are off the floor, maybe even try making an elevated shelf so the sound projects but does'nt drop below the shelf. I would create the shelf so it was approcimately 12" of the ground and 18" past the base of the speaker on all sides. ----- Original Message ----- From: Static Beats <idm-list@staticbeats.com> To: Conrad Seaman <CSeaman@rpmtec.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Sound Insulation

quoted 26 lines Good question.

> Good question. > I have the exact same problem. > The neighbors (downstairs) don't complain about the music, > they complian about the 'thud, thud, thud' of the bass. > > Any insight I would appreciate as well. > It's not like I'm going to invest $2000 in the foam pieces though... > > For now I just have the bass turned all the way down :( > Sometimes I walk around with headphones... > > Shimone/Justes > http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music For The Mind > http://www.shimone.org | Pictures From The Soul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Conrad Seaman" <CSeaman@rpmtec.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:33 AM > Subject: [idm] Sound Insulation > > > > Well maybe someone out there has similar problems to me (and solutions). > I > > live in an apartment that demands a certain level of peace but I listen

to

quoted 1 line music that is heavy on bass. The problem is not so much the sound

> > music that is heavy on bass. The problem is not so much the sound

itself

quoted 6 lines but the transfer of vibration to the structure of the building.

> > but the transfer of vibration to the structure of the building. > > The people around me don't complain about the 'noise', it's the people > below > > me that complain about the vibrations. > > In actuality I don't have the muic all that loud but my speakers seem to > > transfer the sound directly to the floor and into the apartments below

me.

quoted 20 lines Can anyone suggest something or a method of reducing the sound transfer?

> > Can anyone suggest something or a method of reducing the sound transfer? > > > > > > > > Conrad Delbert Seaman > > RPM Technolgies > > CSeaman@RPMtec.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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