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https://boomkat.com/products/a-goal-is-an-image if you enjoy stuff by Rabit, Arca (bleh), Antwood, etc, stuff that is heavily sample based, industrial sounding, maybe like Download? And dark... I found this new City release to be sort of a great culmination of a lot of different styles into something really futuristic and dark. Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings

Will definitely be checking this out, thanks. Why does arca get a bleh? Curious to hear your thoughts on his work. -- Marcus Kreitzer On Oct 8, 2017, 10:32 AM -0600, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com>, wrote:

quoted 9 lines > https://boomkat.com/products/a-goal-is-an-image > > if you enjoy stuff by Rabit, Arca (bleh), Antwood, etc, stuff that is heavily sample based, industrial sounding, maybe like Download?  And dark... I found this new City release to be sort of a great culmination of a lot of different styles into something really futuristic and dark. > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >

Same, appreciated! That being said, I find Arca's music to be hit-or-miss for me. His songs feel more like sketches than compositions. Not a fan of his singing voice either, hope he phases that out. Was not impressed with his DJ set but still interested to see how he develops his art. Am considering catching his live performance at the Rbma this month as that does pique my interest On Monday, October 9, 2017, Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 22 lines Will definitely be checking this out, thanks. Why does arca get a bleh?

> Will definitely be checking this out, thanks. Why does arca get a bleh? > Curious to hear your thoughts on his work. > > -- > Marcus Kreitzer > > On Oct 8, 2017, 10:32 AM -0600, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','clinta@gmail.com');>>, wrote: > > https://boomkat.com/products/a-goal-is-an-image > > if you enjoy stuff by Rabit, Arca (bleh), Antwood, etc, stuff that is > heavily sample based, industrial sounding, maybe like Download? And > dark... I found this new City release to be sort of a great culmination of > a lot of different styles into something really futuristic and dark. > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > >

what i resent about arca is that all of the people doing that style of avante garde music, he seems to present it as personal music, about him, and has imagery and shit about him and his sexuality, really in your face, like, pictures of his dick and stuff so to me it's like, fine, don't get me wrong, go ahead and do your thing, but he just doesn't fit in my collection, like the miley cyrus of chin stroking noise music Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Chris Norton <chrisnorton7777@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 32 lines Same, appreciated!

> Same, appreciated! > > That being said, I find Arca's music to be hit-or-miss for me. His songs > feel more like sketches than compositions. Not a fan of his singing voice > either, hope he phases that out. Was not impressed with his DJ set but > still interested to see how he develops his art. Am considering catching > his live performance at the Rbma this month as that does pique my interest > > > On Monday, October 9, 2017, Marcus Kreitzer <markreitzer@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Will definitely be checking this out, thanks. Why does arca get a bleh? >> Curious to hear your thoughts on his work. >> >> -- >> Marcus Kreitzer >> >> On Oct 8, 2017, 10:32 AM -0600, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com>, wrote: >> >> https://boomkat.com/products/a-goal-is-an-image >> >> if you enjoy stuff by Rabit, Arca (bleh), Antwood, etc, stuff that is >> heavily sample based, industrial sounding, maybe like Download? And >> dark... I found this new City release to be sort of a great culmination of >> a lot of different styles into something really futuristic and dark. >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >>

i mean, i DID listen to his first album several times and i just felt like, he had the general concept of the kind of music he was doing but it seemed more forced and process oriented than how do i say, natural and soulful like the halcyon veil stuff in general Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Chris Norton <chrisnorton7777@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 9 lines I also feel like his sexuality is extremely overplayed -I remember at Day

> I also feel like his sexuality is extremely overplayed -I remember at Day > for Night last year meeting several people who were into Arca > more for his image and than his music. They would just talk about how > they loved his open sexuality/social media but wouldn't or couldn't discuss > the actual art he has produced. > >> >>>> >>

as if the austerity of most idm and techno doesn't have it's own extra-musical appeal On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 24 lines i mean, i DID listen to his first album several times and i just felt

> i mean, i DID listen to his first album several times and i just felt > like, he had the general concept of the kind of music he was doing but it > seemed more forced and process oriented than how do i say, natural and > soulful like the halcyon veil stuff in general > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Chris Norton <chrisnorton7777@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I also feel like his sexuality is extremely overplayed -I remember at Day >> for Night last year meeting several people who were into Arca >> more for his image and than his music. They would just talk about how >> they loved his open sexuality/social media but wouldn't or couldn't discuss >> the actual art he has produced. >> >>> >>>>> >>> >

Great points, that's largely how I feel about him as well. I'm not aware of his social media presence or anything like that so the pretentiousness bothers me less. I feel that he's doing great work with making really creature sounding synths (particularly on mutant) but the lack of composition really makes the whole album tiring and noisy. Sketches is a great way of putting it. Anybody have suggestions of similar stuff that's a bit more developed? -- Marcus Kreitzer On Oct 9, 2017, 9:36 AM -0600, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com>, wrote:

quoted 18 lines as if the austerity of most idm and techno doesn't have it's own extra-musical a

> as if the austerity of most idm and techno doesn't have it's own extra-musical appeal > > > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > > > i mean, i DID listen to his first album several times and i just felt like, he had the general concept of the kind of music he was doing but it seemed more forced and process oriented than how do i say, natural and soulful like the halcyon veil stuff in general > > > > > > > > > Clint Anderson > > > Systems Engineer > > > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Chris Norton <chrisnorton7777@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I also feel like his sexuality is extremely overplayed -I remember at Day for Night last year meeting several people who were into Arca > > > > >  more for his image and than his music. They would just talk about how they loved his open sexuality/social media but wouldn't or couldn't discuss the actual art he has produced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

while idm "austerity" (i think "disassociation" might be a better descriptor?) certainly does have an extra-musical appeal, it seems like a broader range of listener feelings can be projected on that landscape of restraint than you can fit over the hyper-specific ambitious-online-Self-builder thing that Arca is currently doing. to be real general, i think Strong Feelings of ALienation are a big impetus for both Arca and Ae, but there's a self-obsessed quest-for-validation in the former and a craft-obsessed quest-for-transcendence in the latter. makes sense that they wouldnt necessarily appeal to all the same folks... On 10/9/17, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 32 lines as if the austerity of most idm and techno doesn't have it's

> as if the austerity of most idm and techno doesn't have it's > own extra-musical appeal > > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i mean, i DID listen to his first album several times and i just felt >> like, he had the general concept of the kind of music he was doing but it >> seemed more forced and process oriented than how do i say, natural and >> soulful like the halcyon veil stuff in general >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Chris Norton <chrisnorton7777@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I also feel like his sexuality is extremely overplayed -I remember at >>> Day >>> for Night last year meeting several people who were into Arca >>> more for his image and than his music. They would just talk about how >>> they loved his open sexuality/social media but wouldn't or couldn't >>> discuss >>> the actual art he has produced. >>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> >

The differences between the two already outlined are fine and totally valid. Just thought it’s worth pointing out that a gender fluid queer identifying person doing their thing, making it work and having great success with it, is something a lot of people will find speaks to and inspires them as much as a fucked up Ae track inspires most of us. We don’t really need validating in society, but it’s of greater benefit and validating to a lot of people that Arca seems to represent/appeal to. Also worth noting that the way Arca presents himself is part of the art he produces along with the music. It just so happens that I can’t particularly get into Arca’s stuff, either. Nice textures and sketches as Clint said. Just not really moi. Not meaning to lecture anyone on this, just worth pointing out and noting as I said. Mem

quoted 44 lines On 9 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Rjyan Kidwell <cexwell@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 9 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Rjyan Kidwell <cexwell@gmail.com> wrote: > > while idm "austerity" (i think "disassociation" might be a better > descriptor?) certainly does have an extra-musical appeal, it seems > like a broader range of listener feelings can be projected on that > landscape of restraint than you can fit over the hyper-specific > ambitious-online-Self-builder thing that Arca is currently doing. > > to be real general, i think Strong Feelings of ALienation are a big > impetus for both Arca and Ae, but there's a self-obsessed > quest-for-validation in the former and a craft-obsessed > quest-for-transcendence in the latter. makes sense that they wouldnt > necessarily appeal to all the same folks... > >> On 10/9/17, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com> wrote: >> as if the austerity of most idm and techno doesn't have it's >> own extra-musical appeal >> >>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> i mean, i DID listen to his first album several times and i just felt >>> like, he had the general concept of the kind of music he was doing but it >>> seemed more forced and process oriented than how do i say, natural and >>> soulful like the halcyon veil stuff in general >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Chris Norton <chrisnorton7777@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I also feel like his sexuality is extremely overplayed -I remember at >>>> Day >>>> for Night last year meeting several people who were into Arca >>>> more for his image and than his music. They would just talk about how >>>> they loved his open sexuality/social media but wouldn't or couldn't >>>> discuss >>>> the actual art he has produced. >>>> >>>>> >>

I would summarize my opinion of Arca as simply a talented producer with a very forceful persona who is maybe just exploring the wrong genre. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll put out something new that will blow me away, but as an introverted person in general I'm not looking to experience a deep human connection with the artist specifically when i'm listening to 'that style' of music. Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Mehmet Ismail <mehmet.ismail85@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 66 lines The differences between the two already outlined are fine and totally

> The differences between the two already outlined are fine and totally > valid. Just thought it’s worth pointing out that a gender fluid queer > identifying person doing their thing, making it work and having great > success with it, is something a lot of people will find speaks to and > inspires them as much as a fucked up Ae track inspires most of us. We don’t > really need validating in society, but it’s of greater benefit and > validating to a lot of people that Arca seems to represent/appeal to. Also > worth noting that the way Arca presents himself is part of the art he > produces along with the music. > > It just so happens that I can’t particularly get into Arca’s stuff, > either. Nice textures and sketches as Clint said. Just not really moi. > > Not meaning to lecture anyone on this, just worth pointing out and noting > as I said. > > Mem > > > On 9 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Rjyan Kidwell <cexwell@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > while idm "austerity" (i think "disassociation" might be a better > > descriptor?) certainly does have an extra-musical appeal, it seems > > like a broader range of listener feelings can be projected on that > > landscape of restraint than you can fit over the hyper-specific > > ambitious-online-Self-builder thing that Arca is currently doing. > > > > to be real general, i think Strong Feelings of ALienation are a big > > impetus for both Arca and Ae, but there's a self-obsessed > > quest-for-validation in the former and a craft-obsessed > > quest-for-transcendence in the latter. makes sense that they wouldnt > > necessarily appeal to all the same folks... > > > >> On 10/9/17, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com> wrote: > >> as if the austerity of most idm and techno doesn't have it's > >> own extra-musical appeal > >> > >>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> i mean, i DID listen to his first album several times and i just felt > >>> like, he had the general concept of the kind of music he was doing but > it > >>> seemed more forced and process oriented than how do i say, natural and > >>> soulful like the halcyon veil stuff in general > >>> > >>> > >>> Clint Anderson > >>> Systems Engineer > >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Chris Norton < > chrisnorton7777@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I also feel like his sexuality is extremely overplayed -I remember at > >>>> Day > >>>> for Night last year meeting several people who were into Arca > >>>> more for his image and than his music. They would just talk about how > >>>> they loved his open sexuality/social media but wouldn't or couldn't > >>>> discuss > >>>> the actual art he has produced. > >>>> > >>>>> > >> >

Speaking of Rabit http://www.thefader.com/2017/10/10/rabit-les-fleurs-du-mal-bleached-world-video Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 84 lines I would summarize my opinion of Arca as simply a talented producer with a

> I would summarize my opinion of Arca as simply a talented producer with a > very forceful persona who is maybe just exploring the wrong genre. Maybe > I'm wrong and he'll put out something new that will blow me away, but as an > introverted person in general I'm not looking to experience a deep human > connection with the artist specifically when i'm listening to 'that style' > of music. > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Mehmet Ismail <mehmet.ismail85@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> The differences between the two already outlined are fine and totally >> valid. Just thought it’s worth pointing out that a gender fluid queer >> identifying person doing their thing, making it work and having great >> success with it, is something a lot of people will find speaks to and >> inspires them as much as a fucked up Ae track inspires most of us. We don’t >> really need validating in society, but it’s of greater benefit and >> validating to a lot of people that Arca seems to represent/appeal to. Also >> worth noting that the way Arca presents himself is part of the art he >> produces along with the music. >> >> It just so happens that I can’t particularly get into Arca’s stuff, >> either. Nice textures and sketches as Clint said. Just not really moi. >> >> Not meaning to lecture anyone on this, just worth pointing out and noting >> as I said. >> >> Mem >> >> > On 9 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Rjyan Kidwell <cexwell@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > while idm "austerity" (i think "disassociation" might be a better >> > descriptor?) certainly does have an extra-musical appeal, it seems >> > like a broader range of listener feelings can be projected on that >> > landscape of restraint than you can fit over the hyper-specific >> > ambitious-online-Self-builder thing that Arca is currently doing. >> > >> > to be real general, i think Strong Feelings of ALienation are a big >> > impetus for both Arca and Ae, but there's a self-obsessed >> > quest-for-validation in the former and a craft-obsessed >> > quest-for-transcendence in the latter. makes sense that they wouldnt >> > necessarily appeal to all the same folks... >> > >> >> On 10/9/17, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> as if the austerity of most idm and techno doesn't have it's >> >> own extra-musical appeal >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> i mean, i DID listen to his first album several times and i just felt >> >>> like, he had the general concept of the kind of music he was doing >> but it >> >>> seemed more forced and process oriented than how do i say, natural and >> >>> soulful like the halcyon veil stuff in general >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Clint Anderson >> >>> Systems Engineer >> >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Chris Norton < >> chrisnorton7777@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> I also feel like his sexuality is extremely overplayed -I remember at >> >>>> Day >> >>>> for Night last year meeting several people who were into Arca >> >>>> more for his image and than his music. They would just talk about how >> >>>> they loved his open sexuality/social media but wouldn't or couldn't >> >>>> discuss >> >>>> the actual art he has produced. >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >> >> > >