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2001-08-15 13:42Adam Piontek [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
├─ 2001-08-15 15:03Mxyzptlk Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
│ └─ 2001-08-15 14:51jonathan morse Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
│ └─ 2001-08-15 14:57Adam Piontek Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
│ └─ 2001-08-15 16:17Mxyzptlk Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
└─ 2001-08-15 20:41The Chisa Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
└─ 2001-08-16 12:48forel Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
2001-08-15 13:54Glenn McClements Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
└─ 2001-08-16 07:37Irene McC Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
2001-08-15 16:48Andrew Hime Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
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2001-08-15 13:42Adam Piontek> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:44:18 -0400 (EDT) > From: The Chisa <matt@holland.deathhouse.n
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quoted 6 lines Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:44:18 -0400 (EDT)> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:44:18 -0400 (EDT) > From: The Chisa <matt@holland.deathhouse.net> > > You still have to install CODECS to encode > mp3s, and Windows XP suppresses THAT, too. > Yes, it does.
I've been out of the puter/techy loop for a while, so maybe I've really just missed this - could you please forward to me any information documenting that Windows XP actually somehow suppresses and disables the MP3 or other audio codecs of other companies? Not that I don't trust you, I just find it difficult to believe that, for example, upgrading to Windows XP will render LAME.EXE (or WinDAC, or Audiograbber, or whatever's yer poison) inoperable or crippled... I find it difficult to believe that MS would release an OS that openly and blatantly cripples commonly used software written by other people - that seems like it would be a major, obvious antitrust violation right off the bat. It seems especially wrong if it somehow cripples your music-making software. Even if they did do that, I find it difficult to believe that I and many other would not simply drop Windows and switch to Linux. I've been contemplating doing it lately, anyway, and the only thing keeping me from it has been that I'm used to Windows and don't have too many problems with it. Were they to cripple the main software I tend to use on my computer, I'd switch in a heartbeat. It'll be harder if the rumors are true that Loki is going under, as I'd want to get Linux versions of my favorite games, I'd still make do. Not that I have to upgrade to XP, either - we can all keep running 98 or ME or whatever.
quoted 4 lines Even MP3 must be replaced/deprecated someday...> > Even MP3 must be replaced/deprecated someday... > > I also agree with this, as I tried to illustrate > in my "they did it with DVD" section of my rant.
You're correct, and I got your point earlier - I was talking about other audio formats, not breaking the copyright protection that people might be putting in place. Which I guess, in a way, is kinda the same thing. -A?am __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-15 15:03MxyzptlkSeems absurd - agreed. But I have also heard (and would like verification as well) that th
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Seems absurd - agreed. But I have also heard (and would like verification as well) that the next version of windoze will NOT work with javascript vis a vis the ongoing feud between Sun (which owns the js stuff afaik) and Microsoft. That should make for some smooth web browsing with IE indeed...think about all of the sites using javascript. jeff
quoted 13 lines I've been out of the puter/techy loop for a while, so>I've been out of the puter/techy loop for a while, so >maybe I've really just missed this - could you please >forward to me any information documenting that Windows >XP actually somehow suppresses and disables the MP3 or >other audio codecs of other companies? Not that I >don't trust you, I just find it difficult to believe >that, for example, upgrading to Windows XP will render >LAME.EXE (or WinDAC, or Audiograbber, or whatever's >yer poison) inoperable or crippled... > >I find it difficult to believe that MS would release >an OS that openly and blatantly cripples commonly used >software written by other people
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2001-08-15 14:51jonathan morsewww.apple.com =) > From: Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com> > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:03:13
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quoted 36 lines From: Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com>> From: Mxyzptlk <jpklein@telocity.com> > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:03:13 -0500 > To: Adam Piontek <apiontek@yahoo.com>, idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question) > > Seems absurd - agreed. But I have also heard (and would like verification > as well) that the next version of windoze will NOT work with javascript vis > a vis the ongoing feud between Sun (which owns the js stuff afaik) and > Microsoft. That should make for some smooth web browsing with IE > indeed...think about all of the sites using javascript. > jeff > > > > > >> I've been out of the puter/techy loop for a while, so >> maybe I've really just missed this - could you please >> forward to me any information documenting that Windows >> XP actually somehow suppresses and disables the MP3 or >> other audio codecs of other companies? Not that I >> don't trust you, I just find it difficult to believe >> that, for example, upgrading to Windows XP will render >> LAME.EXE (or WinDAC, or Audiograbber, or whatever's >> yer poison) inoperable or crippled... >> >> I find it difficult to believe that MS would release >> an OS that openly and blatantly cripples commonly used >> software written by other people > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-08-15 14:57Adam Piontek--- jonathan morse <jdm@rochester.rr.com> wrote: > www.apple.com As much as I generaly, fr
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quoted 1 line www.apple.com> www.apple.com
As much as I generaly, from a distance, approve of Apple, were XP to so highly interfere with my use of my computer hardware, it would be much more cost effective and make much more sense to simply switch the OS one runs on all the PC hardware one already owns, than to sell one's PC hardware to try to finance a switch to Apple. =) Now, maybe if OS X actually *were* to be released for PC, I might consider it... -Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-15 16:17MxyzptlkNot to mention, *software*... At 09:57 AM 8/15/2001, Adam Piontek wrote: >--- jonathan mor
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Not to mention, *software*... At 09:57 AM 8/15/2001, Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 8 lines --- jonathan morse <jdm@rochester.rr.com> wrote:>--- jonathan morse <jdm@rochester.rr.com> wrote: > > www.apple.com > >it would be much more cost >effective and make much more sense to simply switch >the OS one runs on all the PC hardware one already >owns, than to sell one's PC hardware to try to finance >a switch to Apple.
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2001-08-15 20:41The ChisaMy apologies for not replying earlier, but our entire LAN was down all day and I had no em
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My apologies for not replying earlier, but our entire LAN was down all day and I had no email access. The original article I read in the Wall Street Journal is no longer available, as WSJ has a nasty habit of wanting you to actually PAY for their online news. However, it's referenced at this link on the Register: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/18276.html ...and by our good old friends at Slashdot: http://www.slashdot.org/articles/01/04/12/1159253.shtml Here's the actual Microsoft take -- highly sugarcoated, as expected, with a focus on their own WMA format: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/windowsxp/mpxpmp3.asp There was also another article in WSJ about how Windows XP can re-edit websites using something called Smart Tags, which put in extra links and so forth. I realize that's a tad off topic, but it still illustrates the Microsoft tendency to take power away from the user, which I thought some people might find related. I found a reprint here: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b1f678c3f18.htm And while we're on the subject, let's take a look at the highly controversial "Windows Product Activation" feature, as well: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b44b876263e.htm#10 I think this ought to keep all you kids who think MS "ain't so bad" busy for a while. m@2zo www.thechisa.com On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 62 lines Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:44:18 -0400 (EDT)> > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:44:18 -0400 (EDT) > > From: The Chisa <matt@holland.deathhouse.net> > > > > You still have to install CODECS to encode > > mp3s, and Windows XP suppresses THAT, too. > > Yes, it does. > > I've been out of the puter/techy loop for a while, so > maybe I've really just missed this - could you please > forward to me any information documenting that Windows > XP actually somehow suppresses and disables the MP3 or > other audio codecs of other companies? Not that I > don't trust you, I just find it difficult to believe > that, for example, upgrading to Windows XP will render > LAME.EXE (or WinDAC, or Audiograbber, or whatever's > yer poison) inoperable or crippled... > > I find it difficult to believe that MS would release > an OS that openly and blatantly cripples commonly used > software written by other people - that seems like it > would be a major, obvious antitrust violation right > off the bat. It seems especially wrong if it somehow > cripples your music-making software. > > Even if they did do that, I find it difficult to > believe that I and many other would not simply drop > Windows and switch to Linux. I've been contemplating > doing it lately, anyway, and the only thing keeping me > from it has been that I'm used to Windows and don't > have too many problems with it. Were they to cripple > the main software I tend to use on my computer, I'd > switch in a heartbeat. It'll be harder if the rumors > are true that Loki is going under, as I'd want to get > Linux versions of my favorite games, I'd still make > do. > > Not that I have to upgrade to XP, either - we can all > keep running 98 or ME or whatever. > > > > Even MP3 must be replaced/deprecated someday... > > > > I also agree with this, as I tried to illustrate > > in my "they did it with DVD" section of my rant. > > You're correct, and I got your point earlier - I was > talking about other audio formats, not breaking the > copyright protection that people might be putting in > place. Which I guess, in a way, is kinda the same > thing. > > -A?am > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-08-16 12:48forelThe Chisa wrote: > There was also another article in WSJ about how Windows XP can re-edit
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quoted 3 lines There was also another article in WSJ about how Windows XP can re-edit> There was also another article in WSJ about how Windows XP can re-edit > websites using something called Smart Tags, which put in extra links > and so forth.
Due to much heat Microsoft got for this, Smart Tags will not be included in the shipped final version.
quoted 4 lines And while we're on the subject, let's take a look at the highly> And while we're on the subject, let's take a look at the highly > controversial "Windows Product Activation" feature, as well: > > http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b44b876263e.htm#10
All I have to say is...Linux. Or Mac OS (but of course you would have to buy a Mac, a large financial drawback). Neither require you to even enter a serial number on install. -- forel elitist fuck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-15 13:54Glenn McClements> Seems absurd - agreed. But I have also heard (and would like verification > as well) tha
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quoted 2 lines Seems absurd - agreed. But I have also heard (and would like verification> Seems absurd - agreed. But I have also heard (and would like verification > as well) that the next version of windoze will NOT work with javascript
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quoted 5 lines a vis the ongoing feud between Sun (which owns the js stuff afaik) and> a vis the ongoing feud between Sun (which owns the js stuff afaik) and > Microsoft. That should make for some smooth web browsing with IE > indeed...think about all of the sites using javascript. > jeff >
I think it's only Java that will not be available by default with the next version of Windows. Javascript has very little to do with Sun and was actually created by Netscape, and I doubt that even MS would try to get ride of something that is so deeply engrained into the web nowadays, expecially since their own rival VBScript was a bit of a non-starter. NP. Force Tracks Hypercity mix album by Andy Weatherall. Very nice and just keeps getting better....... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-16 07:37Irene McCOn 15 Aug 2001, at 14:54, Glenn McClements wrote: > expecially since their own rival VBScr
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On 15 Aug 2001, at 14:54, Glenn McClements wrote:
quoted 1 line expecially since their own rival VBScript was a bit of a non-starter.> expecially since their own rival VBScript was a bit of a non-starter.
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2001-08-15 16:48Andrew Hime> Seems absurd - agreed. But I have also heard (and would like verification > as well) tha
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quoted 2 lines Seems absurd - agreed. But I have also heard (and would like verification> Seems absurd - agreed. But I have also heard (and would like verification > as well) that the next version of windoze will NOT work with javascript
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quoted 3 lines a vis the ongoing feud between Sun (which owns the js stuff afaik) and> a vis the ongoing feud between Sun (which owns the js stuff afaik) and > Microsoft. That should make for some smooth web browsing with IE > indeed...think about all of the sites using javascript.
Java will not be in XP out of the box. You can always download your own favorite Java implementation, be it from Sun, IBM, or supposedly even Microsoft, from what I've been reading. Javascript will still be in, as far as I know. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-15 17:02erik pearsonhttp://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2707267,00.html erik state.music >From: Adam
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quoted 67 lines From: Adam Piontek <apiontek@yahoo.com>>From: Adam Piontek <apiontek@yahoo.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question) >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:42:02 -0700 (PDT) > > > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:44:18 -0400 (EDT) > > From: The Chisa <matt@holland.deathhouse.net> > > > > You still have to install CODECS to encode > > mp3s, and Windows XP suppresses THAT, too. > > Yes, it does. > >I've been out of the puter/techy loop for a while, so >maybe I've really just missed this - could you please >forward to me any information documenting that Windows >XP actually somehow suppresses and disables the MP3 or >other audio codecs of other companies? Not that I >don't trust you, I just find it difficult to believe >that, for example, upgrading to Windows XP will render >LAME.EXE (or WinDAC, or Audiograbber, or whatever's >yer poison) inoperable or crippled... > >I find it difficult to believe that MS would release >an OS that openly and blatantly cripples commonly used >software written by other people - that seems like it >would be a major, obvious antitrust violation right >off the bat. It seems especially wrong if it somehow >cripples your music-making software. > >Even if they did do that, I find it difficult to >believe that I and many other would not simply drop >Windows and switch to Linux. I've been contemplating >doing it lately, anyway, and the only thing keeping me >from it has been that I'm used to Windows and don't >have too many problems with it. Were they to cripple >the main software I tend to use on my computer, I'd >switch in a heartbeat. It'll be harder if the rumors >are true that Loki is going under, as I'd want to get >Linux versions of my favorite games, I'd still make >do. > >Not that I have to upgrade to XP, either - we can all >keep running 98 or ME or whatever. > > > > Even MP3 must be replaced/deprecated someday... > > > > I also agree with this, as I tried to illustrate > > in my "they did it with DVD" section of my rant. > >You're correct, and I got your point earlier - I was >talking about other audio formats, not breaking the >copyright protection that people might be putting in >place. Which I guess, in a way, is kinda the same >thing. > >-A?am > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-08-15 17:23Adam Piontek--- erik pearson <efric@hotmail.com> wrote: >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586
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quoted 2 lines >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2707267,00.html >
"The new restrictions in Windows XP won't prevent other vendors' software applications from recording MP3 music at a higher fidelity" So LAME will still work... "but early testers of beta versions of Windows XP already complain that the most popular MP3 recording applications -- which compete with Microsoft's format -- don't seem to function properly, apparently because of changes Microsoft made to how data are written on CD-ROMs under Windows XP." What do CD-ROMs have to do with MP3-encoding? Once an MP3 is encoded, it's just another file that can be burned to a CD-ROM, and I don't see how MS could interfere with that without major marketing problems. As for making audio CDs from MP3s, just decode it first. I don't see how any MS interference with people using MP3s and CD-burners in XP could possibly last for long, for a number of reasons. Forgive me for being an optimist, but all this "the consumer will eat what he's given" and "when Microsoft decides to put something in their operating-system support, it becomes the standard" stuff just seems to be giving MS too much credit. Sure, the average joe might use the newer codecs for making mix CDs or whatever, but if you want to distribute your own music, nobody's forcing anyone to use a certain codec, and there doesn't seem to be anything really keeping most existing MP3 traders/users from doing what they already do. I agree with the final quote: "'It's a little like the VHS tape,' says Steve Banfield, general manager at RealNetworks. 'DVD is great, but VHS is ubiquitous and it isn't going away anytime soon.'" After all, I have yet to do anything with DVD, for a number of reasons - VHS serves my desires just fine, and will until there are affordable recordable DVD discs that can function just like my VHS tapes. Most people use MP3 simply *BECAUSE* it is free - if they DO have that option taken away from them, I don't really see everyone rushing for digital audio formats as a replacement for CDs - most people will just go back to CDs. As for digital audio subscription services, I have one word: Emusic. -A$am __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-15 23:53Adam Piontek----- Original Message ----- From: "The Chisa" <matt@holland.deathhouse.net> Sent: Wednesd
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quoted 4 lines > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/18276.html > http://www.slashdot.org/articles/01/04/12/1159253.shtml > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/windowsxp/mpxpmp3.asp
These are all articles from April, and say nothing more than that Windows XP will itself be limited to low-quality MP3s, but all other software will still function. Four-month old reports among beta-testers of bugs and hiccups in MS' new OS should be taken as four-month old reports among beta-testers of bugs and hiccups in MS' new OS. If they have somehow managed to specifically target some sort of crippling effects at MP3-related software (rippers, encoders, etc), I doubt this will go unnoticed by the creators of said software.
quoted 2 lines There was also another article in WSJ about how Windows XP can re-edit> There was also another article in WSJ about how Windows XP can re-edit > websites using something called Smart Tags, which put in extra links
Hasn't this been removed due to complaints? http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6399150.html?tag=txt
quoted 2 lines And while we're on the subject, let's take a look at the highly> And while we're on the subject, let's take a look at the highly > controversial "Windows Product Activation" feature, as well:
This is controversial, but haters are always hoping that MS will kill themselves by doing something stupid, and they haven't yet. This would be a pretty stupid thing, and I have a feeling MS are going to be pretty smart and flexible about it.
quoted 2 lines I think this ought to keep all you kids who think MS "ain't so bad" busy> I think this ought to keep all you kids who think MS "ain't so bad" busy > for a while.
Well, I sure am not a MS supporter (spent two years in college doggedly supporting OS/2 Warp just cuz I hated MS so much) but I'm no longer a hater, either. I use their software daily and have no problems with them so far, since I have neither the time nor energy to bugger about with Linux and stuff like I would have in high school in college. Anyways, concerns aside, I really don't think XP will single-handly spell the end of MP3-trading and small-label or artist-based music promotion and distribution. -Adam, signing off --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
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erik pearson wrote:
quoted 5 lines > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2707267,00.html > > erik > state.music >
But as someone pointed out on the list recently, what the music companies are really worried about is a future of high-bandwidth in which the actual CD-quality .wav files can be traded easily. And then what will they do? Block .wav files? Remove the computer's capability to work with sound altogether? We mostly use .wavs (ripped from CDs) now for our live gigs because of the sound issue...I've got a 20GB hard drive in my ThinkPad and that can hold plenty of .wavs. John -- John von Seggern DJ/producer Digital Cutup Lounge Hong Kong http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-16 23:55TheHangedManOn Thu, Aug 16, 08:48:39 AM, forel shared with us these pearls of wisdom: >> And while we'
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Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
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On Thu, Aug 16, 08:48:39 AM, forel shared with us these pearls of wisdom:
quoted 8 lines And while we're on the subject, let's take a look at the highly>> And while we're on the subject, let's take a look at the highly >> controversial "Windows Product Activation" feature, as well: >> >> http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b44b876263e.htm#10 > >All I have to say is...Linux. >Or Mac OS (but of course you would have to buy a Mac, a large financial >drawback). Neither require you to even enter a serial number on install.
Or any of a number of other x86 OSes. Anyone who really insists on going with MS though doesn't have to register anyway. The XP registration was already cracked. All you have to do is copy a file to the drive. -- -Gregory I hate trying to come up with something worth saying in a .sig file. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 02:17TheHangedManOn Thu, Aug 16, 09:00:14 PM, Dave Watson shared with us these pearls of wisdom: >--TheHang
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Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
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On Thu, Aug 16, 09:00:14 PM, Dave Watson shared with us these pearls of wisdom:
quoted 4 lines --TheHangedMan <hangdman@shadowplay.org> [010816 17:00]:>--TheHangedMan <hangdman@shadowplay.org> [010816 17:00]: >> >drawback). Neither require you to even enter a serial number on install. >> >> Or any of a number of other x86 OSes. Anyone who really insists on going
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quoted 7 lines MS though doesn't have to register anyway. The XP registration was already>> MS though doesn't have to register anyway. The XP registration was already >> cracked. All you have to do is copy a file to the drive. > >It has yet to be cracked. That is a work around not a crack. And I'm >sure by the final release that will have changed. Now if it was cracked >they would have to employ some serious design changes before shipping, >with a workaround all they have to do is change the name of the file.
The way the file is generated has been shown. I'd call that a crack. You could even call it a hack. ;) The workaround is to get the appropriate, matching file from an already registered installation. There's no crack for it in the sense that you can download an .exe or keygen to generate the registration file (yet), but it was still cracked. :) From http://webopedia.internet.com/TERM/c/crack.html : (2) To copy commercial software illegally by breaking (cracking) the various copy- protection and registration techniques being used. -- -Gregory I hate trying to come up with something worth saying in a .sig file. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 07:32TheHangedManOn Fri, Aug 17, 02:06:50 AM, Dave Watson shared with us these pearls of wisdom: >What info
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Re: [idm] copy protection/WinXP (serious question)
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On Fri, Aug 17, 02:06:50 AM, Dave Watson shared with us these pearls of wisdom:
quoted 7 lines What information the key contains, and how it gathers it was released.>What information the key contains, and how it gathers it was released. >Microsoft approved of that specific company releasing there findings >probably to ease people's fears/thoughts about MS conspiracy type >theories. Keep in mind using the current workaround does not allow you >to copy XP and install it, that requires a proper key which nothing so >far is able to give you, except for MS. It allows you to use your beta >copy of XP for longer than the alotted time frame.
Not just MS. If I install XP on, say, a p3 700 with 256mb ram, with the profile set as a laptop computer in a docking station (which eliminates some of the hardware checks it does), and my friend wants to install XP on his p3 700 with 256mb ram, he can simply install XP then copy my registration file. One installation of XP becomes two installations of XP, with only one key and license. Now if I were to make my key available for public use, anyone with a p3 700 and 256mb ram could install XP, use my file, and have a working, registered copy. After XP is in more widespread use, more files will be distrubuted, and then you'd just have to find a matching file for your computer, which wouldn't be hard.
quoted 1 line Either way it eventually will be cracked. Luckily there are a myriad of>Either way it eventually will be cracked. Luckily there are a myriad of
Of course. Eventually most of the companies will realize that any copy protection scheme will eventually be cracked, and hopefully they'll do away with the B.S. and try to stand more on their merits.
quoted 2 lines free Unices (BSD/Linux) and Mac OS X kind of, as well as old versions of>free Unices (BSD/Linux) and Mac OS X kind of, as well as old versions of >Windows which will work just as good probably.
Or better. Even for windows users, I wouldn't recommend switching from 2000 to XP, since all benchmarks I've seen of XP show it as slower than 2000. (Though I would recommend switching from a 9x to 2000.) -- -Gregory I hate trying to come up with something worth saying in a .sig file. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org