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2001-08-08 23:40michael goodfellow [idm] NIN?
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2001-08-08 23:40michael goodfellowhey, are there any nine inch nails die hards out there? with opinions on favourite tracks,
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hey, are there any nine inch nails die hards out there? with opinions on favourite tracks, it's timelessness, etc? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-09 15:21brian albers>hey, are there any nine inch nails die hards out >there? with opinions on favourite track
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quoted 4 lines hey, are there any nine inch nails die hards out>hey, are there any nine inch nails die hards out >there? with opinions on favourite tracks, it's >timelessness, etc? >
I don't bother with the studio albums anymore- too much on the heavy metal. The remix cds always have a couple of jems on them. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-09 15:32binarymindyes, they've been my favorite band for 10 years -bm- ----- Original Message ----- From: "m
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yes, they've been my favorite band for 10 years -bm- ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael goodfellow" <darkminds_bbs@yahoo.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 7:40 PM Subject: [idm] NIN?
quoted 13 lines hey, are there any nine inch nails die hards out> hey, are there any nine inch nails die hards out > there? with opinions on favourite tracks, it's > timelessness, etc? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-08-10 02:28Ebola 3they were practically responsible for getting me into this whole electronic music mess. Le
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they were practically responsible for getting me into this whole electronic music mess. Lesee..."The Downward Spiral" is still ace. Fav's include "The becoming" "Eraser" and "A Warm Place" Ebola np: Haujobb
quoted 19 lines From: michael goodfellow <darkminds_bbs@yahoo.com>>From: michael goodfellow <darkminds_bbs@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: dreadedpersonities@proxemics.net >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] NIN? >Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:40:20 -0700 (PDT) > >hey, are there any nine inch nails die hards out >there? with opinions on favourite tracks, it's >timelessness, etc? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-08-10 02:54John CountsTrent Reznor is an artist par excellence on so many levels. Lyrically, musically, and arti
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Trent Reznor is an artist par excellence on so many levels. Lyrically, musically, and artistically, he is a rare combination that I've rarely encountered in life. Fuck all those Goth teens that paint their nails black and create a laughably embarassing "scene" around his music and give people the wrong idea. *Any* output by Reznor, old and new, is a very serious example of music at its best. I can't even tell you how many periods of my life are defined by his music. And, like Ebola 3, NIN primed me all the way back in 6th grade for all the electronics I listen to now. "Downward Spiral" is timeless and so is "Pretty Hate Machine" even though the gear sounds late 80's. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-10 03:04EggyToastAt 07:54 PM 8/9/2001 -0700, you wrote: > Trent Reznor is an artist par excellence on so ma
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At 07:54 PM 8/9/2001 -0700, you wrote:
quoted 13 lines Trent Reznor is an artist par excellence on so many> Trent Reznor is an artist par excellence on so many >levels. Lyrically, musically, and artistically, he is >a rare combination that I've rarely encountered in >life. Fuck all those Goth teens that paint their nails >black and create a laughably embarassing "scene" >around his music and give people the wrong idea. *Any* >output by Reznor, old and new, is a very serious >example of music at its best. I can't even tell you >how many periods of my life are defined by his music. >And, like Ebola 3, NIN primed me all the way back in >6th grade for all the electronics I listen to now. >"Downward Spiral" is timeless and so is "Pretty Hate >Machine" even though the gear sounds late 80's.
You should get in touch with Alex Reynolds. Reuterz could always use some more "journalists" cheers, derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming to a cineplex near you --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-10 03:10dhave configbut the 80s sound is the best bit! I was one of those pathetic Goth teens many moons ago i
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but the 80s sound is the best bit! I was one of those pathetic Goth teens many moons ago in a galaxy far far away... and the downward spiral, esp the remix album (further down the spiral?) was what got me into coil, aphex, and all that.... and out of being a Goth curiously enough... sad ass fuckers. especially in an Australian summer... :-) dhave
quoted 14 lines Trent Reznor is an artist par excellence on so many> Trent Reznor is an artist par excellence on so many >levels. Lyrically, musically, and artistically, he is >a rare combination that I've rarely encountered in >life. Fuck all those Goth teens that paint their nails >black and create a laughably embarassing "scene" >around his music and give people the wrong idea. *Any* >output by Reznor, old and new, is a very serious >example of music at its best. I can't even tell you >how many periods of my life are defined by his music. >And, like Ebola 3, NIN primed me all the way back in >6th grade for all the electronics I listen to now. >"Downward Spiral" is timeless and so is "Pretty Hate >Machine" even though the gear sounds late 80's. > John
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2001-08-10 08:32Irene McCOn 10 Aug 2001, at 13:10, dhave config wrote: > the downward spiral, esp the remix album (
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On 10 Aug 2001, at 13:10, dhave config wrote:
quoted 2 lines the downward spiral, esp the remix album (further down the> the downward spiral, esp the remix album (further down the > spiral?) was what got me into coil, aphex, and all that....
Yes - similarly so for me. I'm not a huge NiN fan, but when it comes to weeding out dead wood from my music collection, I certainly wouldn't get rid of my NiN stuff - esp. Pretty Hate Machine. Do I listen to it ever? No. But I like to know it's there. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-10 04:54The soul that createsI would say that in an age (80's-now) where musical revolution very rarely takes place in
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I would say that in an age (80's-now) where musical revolution very rarely takes place in the mind of an artist, but in the minds of several corporate "musicians" looking for the next pot of gold....Trent Reznor is a true artist and a major force in opening the minds of people to the sounds of electronic music. Trent Reznor has and continues to open more and more people to the scene, and is doing great things with his label to promote both electronic music and artistic freedom to artists. What NIN album is timeless?? All of them, Nine Inch Nails is a timeless "band" Trent Reznor is a timeless artist. I imagine that years from now you'll see him and NIN in the hall of fame, and you'll see NIN viewed as a playing a major role in what music will be like in maybe 10-20 years. Looking back from now, we see bands like Pink Floyd, The Doors, Cabaret Voltaire, Skinny Puppy etc....of coarse this small list doesn't appeal to the general public, Puppy was an influence to NIN and bands like Manson, Cabaret was influence to bands like Puppy. Im basically rambling now....but I would have to say to sum it up that Trent Reznor has played and is playing a major role in exploring new and artistic venues of music, and is doing a great job at bringing new ears to electronic music.... A true artist hardly concerned with releasing an album for the purpose of seeing how high it can get on the charts and how long it will stay. I would say that The Fragile was a great piece, as far as artisticness goes. xh ===== Kounterakt in constant evolution.http://www.kounterakt.cjb.net ("Industrial",Rock, Experimental, I.D.M., DnB hybrid craziness)Circle Of Anxietyhttp://www.cofanx.cjb.net(should appeal to fans of all sorts of I.D.M.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-16 22:55ugly and mean> What NIN album is timeless?? > All of them, Nine Inch Nails is a timeless "band" > Trent
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quoted 7 lines What NIN album is timeless??> What NIN album is timeless?? > All of them, Nine Inch Nails is a timeless "band" > Trent Reznor is a timeless artist. > I imagine that years from now you'll see him and NIN > in the hall of fame, and you'll see NIN viewed as a > playing a major role in what music will be like in > maybe 10-20 years.
I have to chime in here. I used to be a pretty big NIN fan 10 years ago, but listening to most of his stuff now, "timeless" is not the word that comes to mind. Pretty Hate Machine was retro sounding by the time Downward Spiral came out. Downward Spiral's music is great, but the lyrics and angstful singing is retro now (at least in electronic music. The term "timeless" in reference to art has always meant, to me, that time doesn't age a particular work of art because it wasn't trendy or easy to replicate to begin with. Trent made some great music, but he used it as a tool to make his terrible tone deaf singing and utterly shitty lyrics seem legitimate and deep. That's just my opinion of course, and I still do break out the old NIN cd when I'm in the mood for a little retro trip back to my late teens/early 20s. I suppose some of the stuff on his remix E.P.s could be considered timeless in the way you guys are using the term. ===== check out my station on Live365 - over 8 hours worth of early 90's chill-out, IDM, dub and more at: http://www.live365.com/stations/278479 check out my homepage at: http://www.skack.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-10 07:55teardropb .>From: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com> Trent >Reznor is a true artist and a maj
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quoted 1 line From: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com>>From: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com>
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quoted 2 lines Reznor is a true artist and a major force in opening>Reznor is a true artist and a major force in opening >the minds of people to the sounds of electronic music.
oh plzzzzzzzz !!!! trent has only made one decent album. actaully, the downward spiral changed my life, but fragile just disgusted me. i thought it was a phase but then i heard deep on the tomb raider. *ahem* trent was cool while he lasted. theres a lot lot lot more talented artists out there and gridlock comes to mind immediately if your on an industrial tip NP: venetain snares - point BLANK !!!!!!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-10 08:06Black Sunteardropb. wrote: > oh plzzzzzzzz !!!! > > > trent has only made one decent album. actaull
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quoted 15 lines oh plzzzzzzzz !!!!> oh plzzzzzzzz !!!! > > > trent has only made one decent album. actaully, the downward > spiral changed > my life, but fragile just disgusted me. i thought it was a phase > but then i > heard deep on the tomb raider. > > *ahem* > > trent was cool while he lasted. theres a lot lot lot more > talented artists > out there and gridlock comes to mind immediately if your on an industrial > tip
I would have to agree with teardropb. on this one - I am no fan of Trent or NIN. IMO a track like "The Perfect Drug" is nothing more than boring repetitive nonsense. I am sure it took him a whole 2 minutes to write that track. I am not saying all his music is rubbish and also before the flame wars begin this is all only my opinion. Bricoleur. np: The Hafler Trio - Walk Gently Through The Gates of Joy. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-10 15:22Guillaume GrenierOn 10/08/01 03:55, teardropb . said in living color: >> From: The soul that creates <themo
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On 10/08/01 03:55, teardropb . said in living color:
quoted 13 lines From: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com>>> From: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com> > Trent >> Reznor is a true artist and a major force in opening >> the minds of people to the sounds of electronic music. > > oh plzzzzzzzz !!!! > > > trent has only made one decent album. actaully, the downward spiral changed > my life, but fragile just disgusted me. i thought it was a phase but then i > heard deep on the tomb raider. > > *ahem*
Ahem indeed... My ears have been irrevocably soiled by the listening time I naively gave to "Deep". I shudder at the thought of hearing it again by inadvertence. I... well, you get the idea... I actually like some of the stuff on The Fragile, though. But I echo the disappointment of another poster in the fact that he didn't seem to integrate much new ideas, in particular those contained in the music he was releasing on Nothing at the time. And I was disappointed that he still felt it necessary to constantly display his Big-Bad-Motherfuckin'-Testosterone level. g. -- Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-10 14:35George Williamson> > the downward spiral, esp the remix album (further down the > > spiral?) was what got m
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quoted 7 lines the downward spiral, esp the remix album (further down the> > the downward spiral, esp the remix album (further down the > > spiral?) was what got me into coil, aphex, and all that.... > > Yes - similarly so for me. I'm not a huge NiN fan, but when it comes > to weeding out dead wood from my music collection, I certainly > wouldn't get rid of my NiN stuff - esp. Pretty Hate Machine. Do I > listen to it ever? No. But I like to know it's there.
dear god... thats my exact problem, I had almost all of the NIN from PHM to the fragile. Then I decided that it was inferior to the artists I started listening to (afx autechre etc). But I cannot sell or otherwise remove it, It has just too much vested interest from my youth (and considerable dollar value) His new stuff, post further down the spiral has all been a bit, well, tedious and without a lot of the older vigour and interest. Not that there weren't any good tracks on The Fragile, but they were not an advance from the downward spiral. I was hoping that the Fragile would signal a move toward the artists he was signing to Nothing (autechre plug etc) as I read an interview where he said that "the new album will have a very aphex-twinish feel". Ahh well, better luck next time. georgewilliamson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-10 15:21brian albers>an interview where he said that "the new album will have a very >aphex-twinish feel". My
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quoted 2 lines an interview where he said that "the new album will have a very>an interview where he said that "the new album will have a very >aphex-twinish feel".
My radio show started off as the "industrial" show in the mid 90s and every single artist that I ever talked to said the exact same thing and that they were "going to back off on the guitars and go for a more electronic/techno/hard dance sound." I don't mean to single anybody out, but Eric Powell of 16 Volt (whose first album Wisdom I remember as being better than decent) fed me that same banquet of bullshit. But I could go on- FLA, Diatribe, Sister Machine Gun, KMFDM... As far as Trent goes, I think Perfect Drug is probably the best thing he's ever done. But overall, I think it would serve him well to lose the guitars all together. His best stuff is the more ambient, piano-y songs and the screechy electronic ones. Perhaps when I get home I'll put on the Sin remixes. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-10 15:26Adam Piontek--- brian albers <brianalbers@hotmail.com> wrote: [a bunch of stuff I agree with] other th
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--- brian albers <brianalbers@hotmail.com> wrote: [a bunch of stuff I agree with] other than agreeing with mr. albers, I just wanted to provide the following commentary: "NIN SUCKS!" "NIN ROCKS!" "SHUT UP" What really matters is the following: Which should it be: "Teflon Tel Aviv" or "Telefon Tel Aviv"? Please note I'm not asking which it is, as that doesn't matter one glial cell to me. I'm just wondering which it should be. -Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-10 15:47Steevi agree totally mate. there was a whole feel about the 'scene' just before FLA released th
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i agree totally mate. there was a whole feel about the 'scene' just before FLA released the record with guitars (i forget now). Previous to that, the prodigy remixed front 242, and there was a massive movement (in the uk at least) toward much harder darker tribal sort of gothy dancey stuff. that neevr materialised. And instead we have people trying to appeal to a more metal crowd. great. fear factory were kindof the final straw for me. I stick to warp now adays ;) although i put PHM on today for the first time in years, even back then, the best for me is terrible lie and ringfinger. And the same applies for all the albums imo. the slow dark introverted ballads are what trent excels at. Its a shame he still wants to be a rock star.... Steev ;/') --- brian albers <brianalbers@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 37 lines an interview where he said that "the new album will have a very> > > > >an interview where he said that "the new album will have a very > >aphex-twinish feel". > > My radio show started off as the "industrial" show in the mid 90s > and every > single artist that I ever talked to said the exact same thing and > that they > were "going to back off on the guitars and go for a more > electronic/techno/hard dance sound." > > I don't mean to single anybody out, but Eric Powell of 16 Volt > (whose first > album Wisdom I remember as being better than decent) fed me that > same > banquet of bullshit. But I could go on- FLA, Diatribe, Sister > Machine Gun, > KMFDM... > > As far as Trent goes, I think Perfect Drug is probably the best > thing he's > ever done. But overall, I think it would serve him well to lose the > guitars > all together. His best stuff is the more ambient, piano-y songs and > the > screechy electronic ones. Perhaps when I get home I'll put on the > Sin > remixes. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >
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2001-08-10 16:13nkey04Songs like "A Warm Place" and "Reptile" or even "Eraser" had such a feel to them that they
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Songs like "A Warm Place" and "Reptile" or even "Eraser" had such a feel to them that they became seperated from both electronica and rock and were their own creature. I own ever damned single, album, and/or EP that NIN's ever put out and I rarely listen to it anymore...which is kinda sad cause i invested so much time at the age of 13 and 14 finding that stuff.... I still think --Broken-- and --The Downward Spiral--- are the best things NIN ever did.... TDS is actually what turned me on to Coil who, in turn, turned me on to Current 93, Nurse With Wound, Orbital, Foetus, The Orb, and the list goes on and on... But go back and listen to songs like "Ruiner" or "The Becoming..." Those sounds STILL sound alien and strange to me, so exotic and almost frightening...."The Downward Spiral" as a whole has a wonderfully creepy feeling....I don't mind the guitars so much since they were so effectively used...But look at "The Becoming!" One of my favorite tracks without much guitar at all...just 7/8 time (i think, is it 13/8? something strange like that) some wonderfully foreign screaming sounds, a synth, and some piano... wild stuff...wish he could break ground like that more again! luke On Friday 10 August 2001 11:21, you wrote:
quoted 26 lines an interview where he said that "the new album will have a very> >an interview where he said that "the new album will have a very > >aphex-twinish feel". > > My radio show started off as the "industrial" show in the mid 90s and every > single artist that I ever talked to said the exact same thing and that they > were "going to back off on the guitars and go for a more > electronic/techno/hard dance sound." > > I don't mean to single anybody out, but Eric Powell of 16 Volt (whose first > album Wisdom I remember as being better than decent) fed me that same > banquet of bullshit. But I could go on- FLA, Diatribe, Sister Machine Gun, > KMFDM... > > As far as Trent goes, I think Perfect Drug is probably the best thing he's > ever done. But overall, I think it would serve him well to lose the guitars > all together. His best stuff is the more ambient, piano-y songs and the > screechy electronic ones. Perhaps when I get home I'll put on the Sin > remixes. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2001-08-10 15:29Navigator DTelefon tel aviv kicks some massive booty....from the stuff that i heard Smaze spin from t
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Telefon tel aviv kicks some massive booty....from the stuff that i heard Smaze spin from the forthcoming album, its gonna blow us away....
quoted 34 lines From: Adam Piontek <apiontek@yahoo.com>>From: Adam Piontek <apiontek@yahoo.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] NIN? >Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:26:07 -0700 (PDT) > >--- brian albers <brianalbers@hotmail.com> wrote: >[a bunch of stuff I agree with] > >other than agreeing with mr. albers, I just wanted to >provide the following commentary: > >"NIN SUCKS!" >"NIN ROCKS!" >"SHUT UP" > >What really matters is the following: Which should it >be: "Teflon Tel Aviv" or "Telefon Tel Aviv"? Please >note I'm not asking which it is, as that doesn't >matter one glial cell to me. I'm just wondering which >it should be. > >-Adam > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-08-10 19:37Ebola 3Yes...Gridlock is REALLY FUCKING GOOD. Ebola np: haujobb > >trent was cool while he lasted
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Yes...Gridlock is REALLY FUCKING GOOD. Ebola np: haujobb
quoted 16 lines trent was cool while he lasted. theres a lot lot lot more talented artists> >trent was cool while he lasted. theres a lot lot lot more talented artists >out there and gridlock comes to mind immediately if your on an industrial >tip > > >NP: venetain snares - point BLANK !!!!!!!!! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-08-10 21:46Loptimiste@aol.comIn a message dated 8/10/01 3:38:19 PM, andylists@hotmail.com writes: << >trent was cool wh
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In a message dated 8/10/01 3:38:19 PM, andylists@hotmail.com writes: << >trent was cool while he lasted. theres a lot lot lot more talented artists
quoted 4 lines out there and gridlock comes to mind immediately if your on an industrial>out there and gridlock comes to mind immediately if your on an industrial >tip > > >>
the important thing to keep in mind with this statement is that Trent loves pop music, and is pushing the realms of POP music further. and by pop, i mean something that has somewhat standard verse/chorus arrangement, hooks, etc. he exposes (through his reputation, and distribution), people to new forms of music, by throwing them into his "pop" songs. "the perfect drug" for instance... super poppy chorus, but then he throws in an extended distorted drum n' bass breakdown in... forcing the public to listen to it, which in turn exposed many people to music that you wouldn't normally hear on the radio. he knows how to write a song too.. his lyrics are debatable, love them or hate them, take them seriously, or see them for what they are... but the songs are definitely there.. just take a listen to any of the instrumentals on "the fragile". genius. and his production is top notch, and he experiments with many different types of things, all the while incorporating them into a POP song. that's where his genius lies. gridlock, on the other hand... it's like comparing apples and oranges. trent writes pop songs, and gridlock doesn't. one is free to experiment without confines of any sort of tradition and "pop" format. if trent wanted to produce something similar to gridlock, i'm sure he could. don't get me wrong. gridlock is one of my favorite artists right now, and i think they are definitely pushing boundaries of their own... but it's impossible to really compare pop music to experimental, and to hold them to the same standards. i know that if i had never heard NIN, i probably wouldn't be on this IDM list right now. -j ps happy with the new gridlock, even if its a step away from "industrial" (whatever the hell that is) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-10 21:57EggyToast>gridlock, on the other hand... it's like comparing apples and oranges. trent >writes pop
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quoted 4 lines gridlock, on the other hand... it's like comparing apples and oranges. trent>gridlock, on the other hand... it's like comparing apples and oranges. trent >writes pop songs, and gridlock doesn't. one is free to experiment without >confines of any sort of tradition and "pop" format. if trent wanted to >produce something similar to gridlock, i'm sure he could.
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2001-08-10 21:30nkey04I thought that Fixed was fun. That's how i came across Coil and Foetus. Great remixes ther
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I thought that Fixed was fun. That's how i came across Coil and Foetus. Great remixes there...The noise stuff is neat ear candy...i enjoy it anyways. I agree, also, that trent does a great job with confining certain styles into "pop" structures. Though i wouldn't call something like "Just Like You Imagined" (an instrumental) pop...oh well... i know what you mean, though... I just want him to let go and not worry about writing "pop" tunes... "The Downward Spiral" and "I Do Not Want This" are such great tracks and are nothing like pop... luke On Friday 10 August 2001 17:57, you wrote:
quoted 15 lines gridlock, on the other hand... it's like comparing apples and oranges.> >gridlock, on the other hand... it's like comparing apples and oranges. > > trent writes pop songs, and gridlock doesn't. one is free to experiment > > without confines of any sort of tradition and "pop" format. if trent > > wanted to produce something similar to gridlock, i'm sure he could. > > You mean like on the mostly unlistenable "Fixed" ep? > ------- > eggytoast.com > ------- > coming to a cineplex near you > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2001-08-13 17:13Robb C--- Loptimiste@aol.com wrote: > > if trent wanted > to > produce something similar to grid
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quoted 4 lines if trent wanted> > if trent wanted > to > produce something similar to gridlock, i'm sure he could.
Whether he "could" is not the point, the point is that he doesn't, and based on what he DOES, I don't feel the need to listen. NIN holds a special place in my musical history as, like many of you, the artist that turned me on to electronic music. He also happen to be one of the only bands that I've previously liked that I now can't listen to without cringing in agony - I just had an extreme adverse reaction to his voice and songwriting styles a few years ago. I could probably write a 10-page essay on every single little thing that is *wrong* with The Downward Spiral, which in a way shows how important that album was for me since there are few other pieces of music that I could rant about so thoroughly - positively or negatively. Some of the remixes are still good. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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quoted 8 lines What NIN album is timeless??> > > What NIN album is timeless?? > > All of them, Nine Inch Nails is a timeless "band" > > Trent Reznor is a timeless artist. > > I imagine that years from now you'll see him and NIN > > in the hall of fame, and you'll see NIN viewed as a > > playing a major role in what music will be like in > > maybe 10-20 years.
Skinny Puppy are timeless, Einsturzend Neubauten are timeless, Ministry are timeless (well, maybe only until "Psalm 69..."), but NIN... I really don't find them timeless at all. What new contribution did they give to the industrial genre? Compared to what was being done in the late 80's, none. But the late 80's industrial bands did evolve the music that was made in the 70's. I think that since the album "Last Rights" by Skinny Puppy in 92, nothing really new happened. But there was an album that caught my attention, "Spears Into Hooks" by Meira Asher (1999). This one also makes NIN look like a very sweet pop band... ~lmarta. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 17:33Irene McCOn 17 Aug 2001, at 10:12, Luís Marta wrote: > "Spears Into Hooks" by Meira Asher (1999). W
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quoted 1 line "Spears Into Hooks" by Meira Asher (1999).> "Spears Into Hooks" by Meira Asher (1999).
Whoa! First time I see her name appear on IDM and I'm glad of it. I have a comp. from the Rencontres Transmusicales de Rennes music festival from '96 and there's a great crazy track by her on there* - first and only time I've ever come across her name. So? Fill us in: who is she, where's she from, what's the story? I * (*) sorry - can't remember title right now - it's not nearby to check. I think it's SIDA (about AIDS). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 17:59ma_hovinaat 17.08.2001 19:33 Uhr, Irene McC wrote: > I have a comp. from the Rencontres Transmusica
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is there any comp of that festival from 2000? i'm interested in any atom or señor coconut track. enjoy, but safely =: samuel
quoted 2 lines http://sjever.com> http://sjever.com > http://atom-heart.com
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2001-08-17 15:00Loptimiste@aol.comIn a message dated 8/17/01 5:03:13 AM, lmarta@fccn.pt writes: << Skinny Puppy are timeless
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In a message dated 8/17/01 5:03:13 AM, lmarta@fccn.pt writes: << Skinny Puppy are timeless, Einsturzend Neubauten are timeless, Ministry are timeless (well, maybe only until "Psalm 69..."), but NIN... I really don't find them timeless at all. >> Well, that's an opinion... But the fact of the matter is that many more people know who NIN is, compared to probably all 3 of those bands put together... I'd say more people are going to rememer NIN. The downward spiral is timeless. On a songwriting level, and a metaphorical level.. I have a little analyzation of the first couple of tracks of that album by a former engineer for nothing studios, and the moderator of the Tumorlist. Amazing stuff. <<What new contribution did they give to the industrial genre? >> Is that the new definition of "timeless"? Who cares what contribution they gave to the industrial genre, NIN goes so much further than that. The great thing about NIN is what he's tried to do for mainstream music.. NIN is like a gateway drug. Open you up to all sorts of new things, but a lot of people just keep going back to it. <<Compared to what was being done in the late 80's, none.>> For instance...? <<I think that since the album "Last Rights" by Skinny Puppy in 92, nothing really new happened.>> Once again this is personal opinion... I do think Gridlock has been quite new and exciting. But once again.. You're comparing apples and oranges, for the longest time Trent has rejected the industrial label. He doesn't want to be part of that "genre". He knows its dead. And NIN has always been completely different than SP, Neubauten, or Ministry. NIN deals with different issues, and is on a much more personal, and emotional level than any of the 3 bands you mentioned. This, for some people, is a turn off. They want their music to be all high minded... About politics... etc. Personally, I still love to listen to a very personal song, and identify with it. It's why I'm not into old school punk all that much... It's all about the government. That interests me (musically) little to none. I want the music i listen to, to have some sort of personal edge to it, and that's what thing that NIN can offer that none of the 3 bands listed above can. <<This one also makes NIN look like a very sweet pop band...>> It is a pop band.. After the "Broken" album came out, he decided that he was going to stop making the "hardest" album ever, and focus on something else... -j --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 15:30Adam PiontekSince some people recently are debating the "timeless" nature of Nine Inch Nais and relate
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Since some people recently are debating the "timeless" nature of Nine Inch Nais and related industrial bands (most of which I freely admit I don't and haven't ever listened to), I've been thinking about it as well. I find that I seem to have a much stricter meaning for the word "timeless" than most people. I take it almost literally. You see, while an angst-ridden teenager, I found some meaning and importance in The Downward Spiral, and even now I admit that some of the lyrics have a certain poetic quality to them, and much of the music is still well-done and enjoyable. Much of what I listened to as a teenager is even "timeless" in a very general sense, as applies to my life - a lot of it is so much a part of me, even though it's not my favorite music anymore, that if I do listen to it again, I still enjoy it a lot or get something out of it. However, it's not really, really "timeless". It continues to have some meaning to me, but to me, "timeless" is Shakespeare's Macbeth; "timeless" is Beethoven's 5th; "timeless" is anything that touches so close to the human spirit or the human condition (whatever those are) that they continue to have meaning and affect us, even hundereds of years later. I hate to say this, but I really don't think that NIN or even Coil will still be remembered or thought of much a few hundred years from now. However, I'm fairly confident that many of Shakespeare's plays, or the old Greek plays, or tons of classical music, will be. Is anything "timeless" still being made? Sure it is. Heck, maybe a few odd pop tunes here and there will make it, and maybe NIN's TDS will be one of the longer-lasting pieces - I don't know for sure. I think some of the music by The Police is more timeless than TDS, though. Just because an industrial band takes some themes from the bible and existentialist thought, waters them down 100-fold, embeds it in talk of "machines" and such (how 20th-century!), doesn't make it a great work of art, and certainly doesn't render it timeless. Will any IDM be timeless? I'm willing to bet that some of it might actually gain some wider hearing eventually (probably the mid-career work by Autechre) and last a while. Part of the problem is that true "timelessness" is a largely cultural phenomenon, relying on the majority of the people in a culture appreciating and enjoying a work, and in that way, the culture internalizing the work such that you can't hardly grow up without being exposed to the work in some aspect. So, to a certain extent, I don't see many "timeless" things coming out of the modern age at all, simply because there are so many people and so many works that even the truly potentially timeless works are not absorbed or noticed by everyone. Culture is less fluid; it has become a gas, moving around extremely fast and randomly. A chaotic system in which artistic works flounder and find niches in which they grow, but it takes a gargantuan Hollywood effort to really reach the great mass of people that is today's global culture. Imagine, if humankind does reach out into the great beyond and colonize other worlds, someday there will be multiple cultures on different planets, all developing on their own, with different new "timeless" art that separate worlds will not share. Will they all still remember Shakespeare and Mozart? Probably some relics from the past will always remain. However, how many of us remember much of the "timeless" art that must have been created in Babylonian times? We have almost no record of any Egyptian art - for example, there must have been some form of theater (acting is something humans do without thinking - it isn't much of a leap to act out a story). Why is the earliest theater Greek? The earliest music lost? Because eventually it is all lost. So, will NIN be around in 50 years? Probably it'll be around as long as Trent's fans are alive, but given how culturally-bound the music is (industrial is easily "dated"!), I doubt if the kids 50 years from now will find it as appealing as you did when you were 15. If anything, music kills itself nowadays because most of it is marketed towards kids, and kids are so flighty and picky - they don't *want* old music, for the most part - they want something new that makes them unique; they want music that's different from everything else. They want to feel special. A ready-made market for the music industry to always churn out something new that's just different enough for the new batch of teens to think "this is *my* music - no one else likes this!" Sorry, I've been reading too much Vonnegut lately. -Ada~` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 15:48Kent williamsOn Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Adam Piontek wrote: > I hate to say this, but I really don't think th
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quoted 3 lines I hate to say this, but I really don't think that NIN> I hate to say this, but I really don't think that NIN > or even Coil will still be remembered or thought of > much a few hundred years from now.
Coil has a better chance than NIN, of course, because it's better music. But think about how few artists in popular music from the 1920s has any current interest. It's Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong, and maybe Bix Beiderbeck (who is probably unknown unless you're either a complete jazz nut or from Iowa). Compare that to the thousands of people who made records back then. When I was a kid adults were gaga over swing music from the 40's. that was maybe 20 years after the fact. Now that generation is starting to die off and all sorts of people that were household names are languishing in obscurity. Right now, the crap I listened to in high school is the staple for oldies stations. People generally are obsessed with what they listened to in their teens, which is what they imprint on. I'm probably an exception in that I've been obsessed with whatever is new and cool. No one my age even hears my favorite stuff as musical... my wife's famous line when she heard something i was listening to is "is there something wrong with the stereo?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 17:57MxyzptlkKent : you are not alone. And I'm even older than you :-) jeff At 10:48 AM 8/17/2001, Kent
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Kent : you are not alone. And I'm even older than you :-) jeff At 10:48 AM 8/17/2001, Kent williams wrote:
quoted 3 lines No one my age even hears my favorite> No one my age even hears my favorite >stuff as musical... my wife's famous line when she heard something >i was listening to is "is there something wrong with the stereo?"
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2001-08-17 22:13WildStyle24_7> -----Original Message----- > From: Kent williams [mailto:kent@avalon.net] > Sent: 17 Aug
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quoted 10 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Kent williams [mailto:kent@avalon.net] > Sent: 17 August 2001 16:48 > To: Adam Piontek > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] 'timeless' music (was Re: NIN?) > > my wife's famous line when she heard something > i was listening to is "is there something wrong with the stereo?" >
That sounds familiar - I remember playing Hardfloor's "Reverberate Opinion", and my wife asking why I was sandpapering the needle on the record player... she's also summed up my Jazz collection as "that lift music stuff" on occasion. Proof that opposites attract, perhaps? -- "Screw that, make it Episode 2: Attack Of The Clowns instead. Luke, I am your father, *squirt* *honk* *honk*." - Daemon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 23:33MxyzptlkMy wife lumps all things from V/Vm to Oval to newer AE in to a category she calls "dirt mu
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My wife lumps all things from V/Vm to Oval to newer AE in to a category she calls "dirt music". jeff At 05:13 PM 8/17/2001, WildStyle24_7 wrote:
quoted 9 lines my wife's famous line when she heard something> > my wife's famous line when she heard something > > i was listening to is "is there something wrong with the stereo?" > > >That sounds familiar - I remember playing Hardfloor's "Reverberate Opinion", >and my wife asking why I was sandpapering the needle on the record player... >she's also summed up my Jazz collection as "that lift music stuff" on >occasion. Proof that opposites attract, perhaps? >-- >"
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2001-08-17 16:24MxyzptlkNot to incite flames, but merely to highlight the element of subjectivity to the notion of
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Not to incite flames, but merely to highlight the element of subjectivity to the notion of "timelessness", personally I consider all of the below ( with the exception of EU) relics and quite overrated - especially NIN. What's remembered may well have to do with MTV exposure than with anything else. jeff At 10:00 AM 8/17/2001, Loptimiste@aol.com wrote:
quoted 9 lines In a message dated 8/17/01 5:03:13 AM, lmarta@fccn.pt writes:>In a message dated 8/17/01 5:03:13 AM, lmarta@fccn.pt writes: > ><< Skinny Puppy are timeless, Einsturzend Neubauten are timeless, Ministry are > >timeless (well, maybe only until "Psalm 69..."), but NIN... I really don't > >find them timeless at all. >> > >Well, that's an opinion...
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2001-08-17 15:13Loptimiste@aol.comIn a message dated 8/17/01 11:09:04 AM, jpklein@telocity.com writes: << Not to incite flam
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In a message dated 8/17/01 11:09:04 AM, jpklein@telocity.com writes: << Not to incite flames, but merely to highlight the element of subjectivity to the notion of "timelessness", personally I consider all of the below ( with the exception of EU) relics and quite overrated - especially NIN. What's remembered may well have to do with MTV exposure than with anything else. >> This was part of my point... Hence the "that's an opinion" and also: " But the fact of the matter is that many more people know who NIN is, compared to probably all 3 of those bands put together... I'd say more people are going to remember NIN. " "timeless" is subjective, and also personal. whats timeless to one person, is unknown to the next. -j --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-17 17:24Ron Jeremy><< Skinny Puppy are timeless, Einsturzend Neubauten are timeless, Ministry >are I don't k
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quoted 2 lines << Skinny Puppy are timeless, Einsturzend Neubauten are timeless, Ministry><< Skinny Puppy are timeless, Einsturzend Neubauten are timeless, Ministry >are
I don't know if any "industrial" is going to be considered "Timeless". Most people shut the door on the genre when it went to shit in the early 90s. True, there were tons of people that did get into it when NIN came in. The watered down industrial tunes mixed with songs about relationship problems was a mainstream hit. Skinny Puppy and Ministry (pre-Psalm 69) were the real deal! NIN was a fucking joke.
quoted 4 lines Well, that's an opinion... But the fact of the matter is that many more>Well, that's an opinion... But the fact of the matter is that many more >people know who NIN is, compared to probably all 3 of those bands put >together... I'd say more people are going to rememer NIN. The downward >spiral is timeless.
3 times more people are going to remember Britany Spears 10 years down the road than dozens of a more talented artists. The fact that more people know it doesn't make them a more "timeless" or credible.
quoted 4 lines On a songwriting level, and a metaphorical level.. I>On a songwriting level, and a metaphorical level.. I >have a little analyzation of the first couple of tracks of that album by a >former engineer for nothing studios, and the moderator of the Tumorlist. >Amazing stuff.
Trent was a fucking joke. I've heard enough songs about having a girl breaking up with them. Songs about fucking someone like an animal isn't that unique either. There are tons about rough sex, etc. Compare that with Skinny Puppy's lyrics, they talk about Vivisection, poisoning the environment, terrorism, etc.
quoted 4 lines Is that the new definition of "timeless"? Who cares what contribution they>Is that the new definition of "timeless"? Who cares what contribution they >gave to the industrial genre, NIN goes so much further than that. The >great >thing about NIN is what he's tried to do for mainstream music..
Fuck mainstream music!! I think artist should make music for themselves, not for the mainstream! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org