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Uhm, Tool samples Art Bell... errrrrr honest to god. King Crimson!! I thought that R.Fripp guy was dead, this is weird shite... but is it IDM? My point, well... ok there was no point save to say that after hearing two singles I really want to get the new Techno Animal album when or if it ever comes out. Hip hop/spooky soundscapes by two industrial metalists Kevin(god)Martin & JK(flesh)Broaderick. OH and some bloke named Dalek is in on it too, some MC type. Ugh, forever into the crossover wank.

quoted 31 lines From: "brian albers" <brianalbers@hotmail.com>

>From: "brian albers" <brianalbers@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] tool / incunabula >Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:22:23 > > > >>I also bought the new Tool. But they're probably too commercial. And have >>guitars. And a vocalist. >> > >I remember seeing during that "my excellent playlist for today" thread a >couple weeks ago that Tool came up more than once. Call it thinking man's >metal or prog-rock or whatever, but these guys rule. Maynard makes Henry >Rollins or Glenn Danzig look like women. On tour this summer with King >Crimson even. Outstanding! > >Idm content- >I picked up the Incunabula vinyl re-release the other day. On my cd I >noticed a small technical glitch (drop-out in one of the channels, not a >glaring thing but I always notice it) about 6:30 of Bike (song 2) and >expected it to be fixed. But no. It's still there. I wonder if they even >noticed it. Kris, any thoughts? >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On 25 May 2001, at 20:57, Billy wrote:

quoted 1 line King Crimson!! I thought that R.Fripp guy was dead

> King Crimson!! I thought that R.Fripp guy was dead

No... he's married to Toyah Willcox. Anybody know what constitutes the current lineup of KC? I'm totally amazed to see that name pop up. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 26/05/01 11:07, Irene McC said in living color:

quoted 8 lines On 25 May 2001, at 20:57, Billy wrote:

> On 25 May 2001, at 20:57, Billy wrote: > >> King Crimson!! I thought that R.Fripp guy was dead > > No... he's married to Toyah Willcox. > > Anybody know what constitutes the current lineup of KC? I'm totally > amazed to see that name pop up.

From the ConstruKction of Light album (which isn't very good, IMO): Robert Fripp - guitar Adrian Belew - guitar and vocals Trey Gunn - bass touch guitar, baritone guitar Pat Mastelotto - drumming g. -- Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sat, 26 May 2001, Charles R. Terhune wrote:

quoted 1 line Their new split 7" with coil is the shit.

> Their new split 7" with coil is the shit.

Please tell me you're joking, or I may cry. m@2zo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

saw em in november 2000: fripp, gunn, mastoletto, belew... On Sat, 26 May 2001 17:07:45 +0200 Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com> writes:

quoted 19 lines On 25 May 2001, at 20:57, Billy wrote:

> On 25 May 2001, at 20:57, Billy wrote: > > > King Crimson!! I thought that R.Fripp guy was dead > > No... he's married to Toyah Willcox. > > Anybody know what constitutes the current lineup of KC? I'm totally > > amazed to see that name pop up. > > I > * > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Irene McC wrote:

quoted 6 lines On 25 May 2001, at 20:57, Billy wrote:

> On 25 May 2001, at 20:57, Billy wrote: > > > King Crimson!! I thought that R.Fripp guy was dead > > Anybody know what constitutes the current lineup of KC? I'm totally > amazed to see that name pop up.

Why amazed...they were certainly the 'intelligent music' of their era. I was spinning minimal techno Friday night at my DJ bar gig and mixing in a bootleg mp3 of Fripp doing a live soundscape gig somewhere...beautiful stuff. John -- John von Seggern DJ/producer Digital Cutup Lounge Hong Kong http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

As I stood watching Tortoise last night doing a thoroughly enjoyable set at DEMF, it was quite impossible NOT to invoke King Crimson (in their 70s jazz/prog phase) when making comparisons. Some of those time signatures in the live shows seem quite "brufordian". jeff At 10:12 AM 5/27/2001 +0800, Digital Cutup Lounge wrote:

quoted 20 lines Irene McC wrote:

>Irene McC wrote: > > > On 25 May 2001, at 20:57, Billy wrote: > > > > > King Crimson!! I thought that R.Fripp guy was dead > > > > Anybody know what constitutes the current lineup of KC? I'm totally > > amazed to see that name pop up. > >Why amazed...they were certainly the 'intelligent music' of their era. > >I was spinning minimal techno Friday night at my DJ bar gig and mixing >in a bootleg mp3 of Fripp doing a live soundscape gig >somewhere...beautiful stuff. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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On 27 May 2001, at 10:12, Digital Cutup Lounge wrote:

quoted 1 line Why amazed...they were certainly the 'intelligent music' of their era.

> Why amazed...they were certainly the 'intelligent music' of their era.

"Amazed" only because the year is 2001. I too remember Larks Tongues in Aspic, Court of the Crimson King, etc. etc. Likewise Fripp's League of Gentlemen, his work with Eno... but all that was about errrrm, 25 years ago and I had no idea that they were still kicking.

quoted 2 lines mixing in a bootleg mp3 of Fripp doing a live soundscape gig

> mixing in a bootleg mp3 of Fripp doing a live soundscape gig > somewhere...beautiful stuff.

Yes quite : I've also been known to sneak in "Book of Saturdays". I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Digital Cutup Lounge wrote:

quoted 1 line Why amazed...they were certainly the 'intelligent music' of their era.

>Why amazed...they were certainly the 'intelligent music' of their era.

unlike the best of Fripp's side projects, King Crimson lacked style. it was a consistently awkward attempt to sell prog-rock ideas to a slightly-left-of-center audience. with bad singing. i think Eno exploited Fripp's talent incredibly well, encouraging all the good and leaving behind the smelly. k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sun, 27 May 2001 15:39:42 -0400 Kurt Hoffman <supine@bway.net> writes:

quoted 12 lines Digital Cutup Lounge wrote:

> > Digital Cutup Lounge wrote: > > >Why amazed...they were certainly the 'intelligent music' of their > era. > > > unlike the best of Fripp's side projects, King Crimson lacked style. > it was > a consistently awkward attempt to sell prog-rock ideas to a > slightly-left-of-center audience. with bad singing. >

lacked style? then why is everyone copying it? left of center? im the ur worst right wing nightmare...singing? what, two belew intonations?...go see em live..prg rock? so what? tom w np: 21 century schizoid man (left? no style?singing? shit) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line then why is everyone copying it?

>then why is everyone copying it?

really? where do you see the influence these days?

quoted 1 line left of center?

>left of center?

sorry, that was stupid. what to call that part of the early seventies rock audience that was somewhat more daring than the "yes" and "elp" crowd. i should listen to them again before I cast further aspersions. k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 28 May 2001, Kurt Hoffman wrote:

quoted 3 lines then why is everyone copying it?

> >then why is everyone copying it? > > really? where do you see the influence these days?

I think Slint was pretty open about the influence of _Red_-era Crimson on their sound (or maybe it was Rodan... eep). It might be a stretch to say that the entire post-rock "movement" owes something to the group, but on the other hand, you'd do a disservice to ignore it.

quoted 1 line i should listen to them again before I cast further aspersions.

> i should listen to them again before I cast further aspersions.

Yeah, you might be surprised about how much they rocked, especially considering the average beard length/astigmatism of their followers. -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"R. Lim" wrote:

quoted 8 lines On Mon, 28 May 2001, Kurt Hoffman wrote:

> On Mon, 28 May 2001, Kurt Hoffman wrote: > > > i should listen to them again before I cast further aspersions. > > Yeah, you might be surprised about how much they rocked, especially > considering the average beard length/astigmatism of their followers. > > -rob

Imo, Crimson (well mostly just Fripp) were a band that seemed to have potential to do interesting things, but for me they never quite lived up to the expectations. Their albums (except maybe for Discipline, depending on your taste I guess) tend(ed) to be pretty inconsistent. Despite their more avant leanings they still tended to reek of prog pretension and had a lot of that sort of Stonehenge quality about 'em in the 70's (must be all those tritones and diminished scales). But, yeah they did have moments when they really rocked (2nd half of "Starless" off Red is a favorite of mine). A friend burned me a copy of this 2 CD set of live stuff from the 70's called "King Crimson: The Nightwatch - Live at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw November 23rd 1973" and they really burn on that one. They do a scorching version of "21st Century Schiziod Man" and Fripp is just really strident in general. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org