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Looks like we all got collectively dissed. :) http://www.factmag.com/2014/09/22/the-100-greatest-idm-tracks-100-51/ "Braindance, electronica, bleep techno – anything was better than the US-centric (and still awkwardly disparaging) ‘intelligent dance music’, but over time the term has stuck. We can thank early ’90s mailing list the IDM List for the awful acronym. " Downloading the new aphex from bleep right now. Hope its living up to the hype. -ali

2014-09-23 01:07Artie QewpieReally scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't they? On 9/22/2014 8:57 PM, Ali Khoobehi

From:: Artie Qewpie <artie@tymnet.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:07:08 -0400
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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Really scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't they? On 9/22/2014 8:57 PM, Ali Khoobehi wrote:

quoted 10 lines Looks like we all got collectively dissed. :)

> Looks like we all got collectively dissed. :) > > http://www.factmag.com/2014/09/22/the-100-greatest-idm-tracks-100-51/ > > "Braindance, electronica, bleep techno – anything was better than the US-centric (and still awkwardly disparaging) ‘intelligent dance music’, but over time the term has stuck. We can thank early ’90s mailing list the IDM List for the awful acronym." > > Downloading the new aphex from bleep right now. Hope its living up to the hype. > > -ali >

-- --arturius qewpie that which is, is wat

2014-09-23 01:24Rjyan Kidwellidm is too i to be destroyed On Sep 22, 2014 9:07 PM, "Artie Qewpie" <artie@tymnet.net> wr

From:: Rjyan Kidwell <cexwell@gmail.com>
To:: Artie Qewpie <artie@tymnet.net>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:24:03 -0400
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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idm is too i to be destroyed On Sep 22, 2014 9:07 PM, "Artie Qewpie" <artie@tymnet.net> wrote:

quoted 23 lines Really scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't they?

> Really scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't they? > > On 9/22/2014 8:57 PM, Ali Khoobehi wrote: > >> Looks like we all got collectively dissed. :) >> >> http://www.factmag.com/2014/09/22/the-100-greatest-idm-tracks-100-51/ >> >> "Braindance, electronica, bleep techno – anything was better than the >> US-centric (and still awkwardly disparaging) ‘intelligent dance music’, but >> over time the term has stuck. We can thank early ’90s mailing list the IDM >> List for the awful acronym." >> >> Downloading the new aphex from bleep right now. Hope its living up to the >> hype. >> >> -ali >> >> > -- > --arturius qewpie > that which is, is wat >

2014-09-23 01:34Ben BridgesThank you FACT mag for the mention. :) On 23/09/2014 9:07 AM, Artie Qewpie wrote: > Really

From:: Ben Bridges <moogkid@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:34:09 +0800
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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Thank you FACT mag for the mention. :) On 23/09/2014 9:07 AM, Artie Qewpie wrote:

quoted 18 lines Really scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't they?

> Really scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't they? > > On 9/22/2014 8:57 PM, Ali Khoobehi wrote: >> Looks like we all got collectively dissed. :) >> >> http://www.factmag.com/2014/09/22/the-100-greatest-idm-tracks-100-51/ >> >> "Braindance, electronica, bleep techno – anything was better than the >> US-centric (and still awkwardly disparaging) ‘intelligent dance >> music’, but over time the term has stuck. We can thank early ’90s >> mailing list the IDM List for the awful acronym." >> >> Downloading the new aphex from bleep right now. Hope its living up to >> the hype. >> >> -ali >> >

2014-09-23 01:55A. Arentia Goofinoffmentioning such august e-mail lists in print is the ultimate throwback and clearly demonst

From:: A. Arentia Goofinoff <meatsock@gmail.com>
To:: Ali Khoobehi <khoobehi@yahoo.com>
Cc:: idm <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:55:32 -0400
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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mentioning such august e-mail lists in print is the ultimate throwback and clearly demonstrates fact mag's hippness with the and relevance to the young kids of these days. i understand next month there will be a five page spread on teletype art. On Sep 22, 2014 9:00 PM, "Ali Khoobehi" <khoobehi@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 14 lines Looks like we all got collectively dissed. :)

> Looks like we all got collectively dissed. :) > > http://www.factmag.com/2014/09/22/the-100-greatest-idm-tracks-100-51/ > > "Braindance, electronica, bleep techno – anything was better than the > US-centric (and still awkwardly disparaging) ‘intelligent dance music’, but > over time the term has stuck. We can thank early ’90s mailing list the IDM > List for the awful acronym. " > > Downloading the new aphex from bleep right now. Hope its living up to the > hype. > > -ali >

2014-09-23 02:08Brian BehlendorfOn Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Ali Khoobehi wrote: > http://www.factmag.com/2014/09/22/the-100-great

From:: Brian Behlendorf <brian@hyperreal.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:08:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Ali Khoobehi wrote:

quoted 6 lines > http://www.factmag.com/2014/09/22/the-100-greatest-idm-tracks-100-51/ > > "Braindance, electronica, bleep techno – anything was better than the > US-centric (and still awkwardly disparaging) ‘intelligent dance music’, but > over time the term has stuck. We can thank early ’90s mailing list the IDM > List for the awful acronym. "

Uh, well no, we can thank Warp: http://www.discogs.com/Various-Artificial-Intelligence/master/30010 Brian

2014-09-23 03:39Jeff DavisOriginal list mod, keepin it real! thanks, Jeffrey J Davis jeff@jeffreyjdavis.com +1.218.8

From:: Jeff Davis <jeff@jeffreyjdavis.com>
To:: Brian Behlendorf <brian@hyperreal.org>, . <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:39:23 -0500
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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Original list mod, keepin it real! thanks, Jeffrey J Davis jeff@jeffreyjdavis.com +1.218.833.2847 On Sep 22, 2014 10:09 PM, "Brian Behlendorf" <brian@hyperreal.org> wrote:

quoted 15 lines On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Ali Khoobehi wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Ali Khoobehi wrote: > >> http://www.factmag.com/2014/09/22/the-100-greatest-idm-tracks-100-51/ >> >> "Braindance, electronica, bleep techno – anything was better than the >> US-centric (and still awkwardly disparaging) ‘intelligent dance music’, but >> over time the term has stuck. We can thank early ’90s mailing list the IDM >> List for the awful acronym. " >> > > Uh, well no, we can thank Warp: > > http://www.discogs.com/Various-Artificial-Intelligence/master/30010 > > Brian

2014-09-23 04:34Jared Dunne"Braindance, electronica, bleep techno - anything was better than the US-centric (and stil

From:: Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com>
To:: Jeff Davis <jeff@jeffreyjdavis.com>
Cc:: Brian Behlendorf <brian@hyperreal.org>, do id <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:34:24 -0600
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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"Braindance, electronica, bleep techno - anything was better than the US-centric (and still awkwardly disparaging) 'intelligent dance music', but over time the term has stuck. We can thank early '90s mailing list the IDM List for the awful acronym. " So they're blaming the list, not for creating the term Intelligent Dance Music, but for creating the acronym for it?? Um, let us know if you figure out another acronym for it, dumb shit! On Sep 22, 2014 9:39 PM, "Jeff Davis" <jeff@jeffreyjdavis.com> wrote:

quoted 26 lines Original list mod, keepin it real!

> Original list mod, keepin it real! > > thanks, > > Jeffrey J Davis > jeff@jeffreyjdavis.com > +1.218.833.2847 > On Sep 22, 2014 10:09 PM, "Brian Behlendorf" <brian@hyperreal.org> wrote: > >> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Ali Khoobehi wrote: >> >>> http://www.factmag.com/2014/09/22/the-100-greatest-idm-tracks-100-51/ >>> >>> "Braindance, electronica, bleep techno - anything was better than the >>> US-centric (and still awkwardly disparaging) 'intelligent dance music', but >>> over time the term has stuck. We can thank early '90s mailing list the IDM >>> List for the awful acronym. " >>> >> >> Uh, well no, we can thank Warp: >> >> http://www.discogs.com/Various-Artificial-Intelligence/master/30010 >> >> Brian > >

2014-09-23 12:32kawayamabit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. "intelligent dance musi

From:: kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:32:16 +0200
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. k -- constant shallowness leads to evil.

2014-09-23 13:25Zombieflyi always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time IDM came to be b

From:: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>
Cc:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:25:28 +0100
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 17 lines bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think.

> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. > "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a > horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? > > and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in the > scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent than > other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner notes. > it was the creators of this list who named it. > > k > > > > -- > > constant shallowness leads to evil. >

-- _____________________________________________ Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K _____________________________________________ noise I make: http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin noise I like: http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly sites I run: http://www.ctran.co.uk http://o-fu-online.net -------------------------------

2014-09-23 15:57Jared DunneI never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of a genre of music

From:: Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com>
To:: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>
Cc:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:57:32 -0600
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of a genre of music. Better things..... On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 44 lines i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time

> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time > IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano > tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. > was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic > fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) > > On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: > >> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a >> horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >> >> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in >> the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent >> than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner >> notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >> >> k >> >> >> >> -- >> >> constant shallowness leads to evil. >> > > > > -- > _____________________________________________ > Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K > _____________________________________________ > noise I make: > http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin > http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin > > noise I like: > http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly > > sites I run: > http://www.ctran.co.uk > http://o-fu-online.net > ------------------------------- >

-- 22tape/jared dunne listen <http://22tape.com>

2014-09-23 16:06Francis XavierThe only reason anyone would get annoyed at the term IDM is because it includes the term "

From:: Francis Xavier <prophet@nac.net>
To:: Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com>
Cc:: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>, IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:06:17 -0400
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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The only reason anyone would get annoyed at the term IDM is because it includes the term "Intelligent". That annoys people who have to compete with everything on every level and hurts their superiority complex. It's just a name, and should be gotten over. As Kawa said: "and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner notes. it was the creators of this list who named it." This is pretty much the end of the convo to anyone who feels they need to pick apart the term "IDM". ========================== Francis Xavier "It's like sitting on the bank of the river and watching the river waters go by. And when you so watch, there is neither the observer or the observed. There is only a movement." - Jiddu Krishnamurti [image: Halcyon Chillout] <http://www.halcyonchillout.com> http://www.halcyonchillout.com http://www.francisxavier.org On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 56 lines I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of

> I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of > a genre of music. Better things..... > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time >> IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano >> tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. >> was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic >> fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >> >> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a >>> horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>> >>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in >>> the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent >>> than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner >>> notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>> >>> k >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________________________ >> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >> _____________________________________________ >> noise I make: >> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >> >> noise I like: >> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >> >> sites I run: >> http://www.ctran.co.uk >> http://o-fu-online.net >> ------------------------------- >> > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com> >

2014-09-23 21:35Clint AndersonIt Doesn't Matter Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Franci

From:: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com>
To:: Francis Xavier <prophet@nac.net>
Cc:: Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com>, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>, IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:35:45 -0500
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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It Doesn't Matter Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Francis Xavier <prophet@nac.net> wrote:

quoted 87 lines The only reason anyone would get annoyed at the term IDM is because it

> The only reason anyone would get annoyed at the term IDM is because it > includes the term "Intelligent". That annoys people who have to compete > with everything on every level and hurts their superiority complex. It's > just a name, and should be gotten over. > > As Kawa said: > "and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in > the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent > than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner > notes. it was the creators of this list who named it." > > This is pretty much the end of the convo to anyone who feels they need to > pick apart the term "IDM". > > ========================== > Francis Xavier > > "It's like sitting on the bank of the river and watching the river waters > go by. And when you so watch, there is neither the observer or the > observed. There is only a movement." - Jiddu Krishnamurti > [image: Halcyon Chillout] <http://www.halcyonchillout.com> > http://www.halcyonchillout.com > > http://www.francisxavier.org > > > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of >> a genre of music. Better things..... >> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the >>> time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano >>> tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. >>> was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic >>> fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >>> >>> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a >>>> horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>>> >>>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in >>>> the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent >>>> than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner >>>> notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>>> >>>> k >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>> _____________________________________________ >>> noise I make: >>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>> >>> noise I like: >>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>> >>> sites I run: >>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>> http://o-fu-online.net >>> ------------------------------- >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen <http://22tape.com> >> > >

2014-09-23 16:08WesI think it should be called music. But people do need a way to lookout certain styles or i

From:: Wes <wesley.macdonald@hotmail.co.uk>
To:: Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com>
Cc:: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>, IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:08:37 +0100
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

I think it should be called music. But people do need a way to lookout certain styles or ideas that they're searching for so categorisation does have a purpose. What I don't like is people disliking an entire genre of music, some songs are better or worse than others regardless of style. Sent from my iPhone

quoted 44 lines On 23 Sep 2014, at 16:57, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 23 Sep 2014, at 16:57, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: > > I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of a genre of music. Better things..... > >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >> >>> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>> >>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>> >>> k >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________________________ >> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >> _____________________________________________ >> noise I make: >> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >> >> noise I like: >> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >> >> sites I run: >> http://www.ctran.co.uk >> http://o-fu-online.net >> ------------------------------- > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen

2014-09-23 16:36Mehmet IsmailThis used to kill me when I was a teen and I heard it quite often: Me: Why don't you don't

From:: Mehmet Ismail <mehmet.ismail85@gmail.com>
To:: Wes <wesley.macdonald@hotmail.co.uk>
Cc:: Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com>, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>, IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:36:46 +0100
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

This used to kill me when I was a teen and I heard it quite often: Me: Why don't you don't like electronic music? Person who likes rock music only: Because it's not made with real instruments so it's not music. Mem

quoted 50 lines On 23 Sep 2014, at 17:08, Wes <wesley.macdonald@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 23 Sep 2014, at 17:08, Wes <wesley.macdonald@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > I think it should be called music. But people do need a way to lookout certain styles or ideas that they're searching for so categorisation does have a purpose. What I don't like is people disliking an entire genre of music, some songs are better or worse than others regardless of style. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 23 Sep 2014, at 16:57, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of a genre of music. Better things..... >> >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >>> >>>> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>>> >>>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>>> >>>> k >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>> _____________________________________________ >>> noise I make: >>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>> >>> noise I like: >>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>> >>> sites I run: >>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>> http://o-fu-online.net >>> ------------------------------- >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen

2014-09-23 16:40Andrew KoenigQ: Why don’t you like virtual-analog synthesizers? A: Because they’re just software in a b

From:: Andrew Koenig <ark@acm.org>
To:: 'IDM' <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:40:11 -0400
Subject:: RE: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

Q: Why don’t you like virtual-analog synthesizers? A: Because they’re just software in a box; they’re not real synthesizers. From: Mehmet Ismail [mailto:mehmet.ismail85@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:37 PM To: Wes Cc: Jared Dunne; Zombiefly; IDM Subject: Re: idm list dissed This used to kill me when I was a teen and I heard it quite often: Me: Why don't you don't like electronic music? Person who likes rock music only: Because it's not made with real instruments so it's not music. Mem On 23 Sep 2014, at 17:08, Wes <wesley.macdonald@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: I think it should be called music. But people do need a way to lookout certain styles or ideas that they're searching for so categorisation does have a purpose. What I don't like is people disliking an entire genre of music, some songs are better or worse than others regardless of style. Sent from my iPhone On 23 Sep 2014, at 16:57, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of a genre of music. Better things..... On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. k -- constant shallowness leads to evil. -- _____________________________________________ Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K _____________________________________________ noise I make: http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin noise I like: http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly sites I run: http://www.ctran.co.uk http://o-fu-online.net ------------------------------- -- 22tape/jared dunne listen <http://22tape.com>

2014-09-23 16:42Artie QewpieI think it's an entirely contrived debate fomented by music journalists desperate to maint

From:: Artie Qewpie <artie@tymnet.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:42:47 -0400
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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I think it's an entirely contrived debate fomented by music journalists desperate to maintain the illusion that they're worth their keep. On 9/23/2014 12:08 PM, Wes wrote:

quoted 49 lines I think it should be called music. But people do need a way to lookout certain styles or i

> I think it should be called music. But people do need a way to lookout certain styles or ideas that they're searching for so categorisation does have a purpose. What I don't like is people disliking an entire genre of music, some songs are better or worse than others regardless of style. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 23 Sep 2014, at 16:57, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of a genre of music. Better things..... >> >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >>> >>>> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>>> >>>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>>> >>>> k >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>> _____________________________________________ >>> noise I make: >>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>> >>> noise I like: >>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>> >>> sites I run: >>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>> http://o-fu-online.net >>> ------------------------------- >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen >

-- --arturius qewpie that which is, is wat

2014-09-23 16:49Aleks tresorgwell, more intelligent than some things that are called "music", out there and that just a

From:: Aleks tresorg <alex@tresorg.com>
Cc:: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 18:49:21 +0200
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

well, more intelligent than some things that are called "music", out there and that just aint. :) On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Artie Qewpie <artie@tymnet.net> wrote:

quoted 75 lines I think it's an entirely contrived debate fomented by music journalists

> I think it's an entirely contrived debate fomented by music journalists > desperate to maintain the illusion that they're worth their keep. > > > On 9/23/2014 12:08 PM, Wes wrote: > >> I think it should be called music. But people do need a way to lookout >> certain styles or ideas that they're searching for so categorisation does >> have a purpose. What I don't like is people disliking an entire genre of >> music, some songs are better or worse than others regardless of style. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 23 Sep 2014, at 16:57, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name >>> of a genre of music. Better things..... >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the >>>> time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano >>>> tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. >>>> was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic >>>> fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >>>> >>>> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>>>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a >>>>> horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>>>> >>>>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in >>>>> the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent >>>>> than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner >>>>> notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>>>> >>>>> k >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> noise I make: >>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>>> >>>> noise I like: >>>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>>> >>>> sites I run: >>>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>>> http://o-fu-online.net >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 22tape/jared dunne >>> listen >>> >> >> > -- > --arturius qewpie > that which is, is wat >

2014-09-23 18:03Stephen RuizAt the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. The "IDM" list was a point of reference,

From:: Stephen Ruiz <djstephenr@gmail.com>
To:: Aleks tresorg <alex@tresorg.com>
Cc:: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:03:38 -0700
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. The "IDM" list was a point of reference, and by extension something that music journalists could use to describe the particular style of music that came in the wake of the Artificial Intelligence release on Warp. Just like any other genre name that's been made up by journos, producers etc. Think about it: Dubstep, Jungle, Fidget, Garage, Microhouse, Techno, Techhouse, 2step, Grime, microsound, etc. ad nauseam.... I'm pretty sure there aren't many producers or fans of those genres that obsess so much about what that music is called. IMHO I think that we're hard-wired for organizing things taxonomically, and I think we can all agree that this music categorically falls together. It's been 22 years since the term was coined, so I'm not sure if "rebranding" is in the cards for this or not, but ultimately I don't think matters nearly as much as the music. In a somewhat related note, I wrote a piece for Okayfuture about the A.I. release, and how it spawned "IDM." http://www.okayfuture.com/features/throwback-thursday-artificial-intelligence-warp-records.html On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Aleks tresorg <alex@tresorg.com> wrote:

quoted 84 lines well, more intelligent than some things that are called "music", out there

> well, more intelligent than some things that are called "music", out there > and that just aint. :) > > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Artie Qewpie <artie@tymnet.net> wrote: > >> I think it's an entirely contrived debate fomented by music journalists >> desperate to maintain the illusion that they're worth their keep. >> >> >> On 9/23/2014 12:08 PM, Wes wrote: >> >>> I think it should be called music. But people do need a way to lookout >>> certain styles or ideas that they're searching for so categorisation does >>> have a purpose. What I don't like is people disliking an entire genre of >>> music, some songs are better or worse than others regardless of style. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 23 Sep 2014, at 16:57, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name >>>> of a genre of music. Better things..... >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the >>>>> time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano >>>>> tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. >>>>> was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic >>>>> fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >>>>> >>>>> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>>>>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a >>>>>> horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>>>>> >>>>>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as >>>>>> in the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more >>>>>> intelligent than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in >>>>>> the liner notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>>>>> >>>>>> k >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>>> noise I make: >>>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>>>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>>>> >>>>> noise I like: >>>>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>>>> >>>>> sites I run: >>>>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>>>> http://o-fu-online.net >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> 22tape/jared dunne >>>> listen >>>> >>> >>> >> -- >> --arturius qewpie >> that which is, is wat >> > >

-- Stephen R. :: Pixel Pusher / Sound Wrangler --------------------------------------------------------------- http://architectsandheroes.net/ https://soundcloud.com/djstephenr http://stephenruiz.com/music/ <http://www.stephenruiz.com> --------------------------------------------------------------- #TBT - "*Throwback Thursdays: San Francisco Raves in the 1990′s Pt. 3 – Interview with Gavin Hardkiss and DJ Garth*" http://www.okayfuture.com/features/throwback-thursdays-san-francisco-raves-1990s-pt-3.html <http://www.okayfuture.com/features/throwback-thursday-2004-top-10-playlist.html> #TBT - "*Throwback Thursdays: San Francisco Raves in the 1990′s Pt. 2 – The Ambient Years*" http://www.okayfuture.com/features/throwback-thursdays-san-francisco-raves-1990s-pt-2-ambient-music.html <http://www.okayfuture.com/features/throwback-thursday-artificial-intelligence-warp-records.html> #TBT - "*Throwback Thursdays: San Francisco Raves in the 1990′s Pt.1*" http://www.okayfuture.com/features/throwback-thursdays-san-francisco-raves-1990s.html <http://www.okayfuture.com/features/throwback-thursday-artificial-intelligence-warp-records.html>

2014-09-23 21:36Clint Andersoni dislike country music as an entire genre Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Tue, Sep 23,

From:: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com>
To:: Wes <wesley.macdonald@hotmail.co.uk>
Cc:: Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com>, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>, IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:36:16 -0500
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

i dislike country music as an entire genre Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Wes <wesley.macdonald@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

quoted 66 lines I think it should be called music. But people do need a way to lookout

> I think it should be called music. But people do need a way to lookout > certain styles or ideas that they're searching for so categorisation does > have a purpose. What I don't like is people disliking an entire genre of > music, some songs are better or worse than others regardless of style. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 23 Sep 2014, at 16:57, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: > > I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of > a genre of music. Better things..... > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time >> IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano >> tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. >> was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic >> fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >> >> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a >>> horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>> >>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in >>> the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent >>> than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner >>> notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>> >>> k >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________________________ >> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >> _____________________________________________ >> noise I make: >> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >> >> noise I like: >> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >> >> sites I run: >> http://www.ctran.co.uk >> http://o-fu-online.net >> ------------------------------- >> > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com> > >

2014-09-23 23:44Connor HigginsI Don't Mind IDM. It Definitely Makes Identifying Delicious Music Inherently Doable Mental

From:: Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com>
To:: Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com>
Cc:: Wes <wesley.macdonald@hotmail.co.uk>, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com>, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>, IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:44:21 -0400
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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I Don't Mind IDM. It Definitely Makes Identifying Delicious Music Inherently Doable Mentally. Interesting Discussion Mates: Intellectually Decisive Minds Interpreting Dependable Magazines. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 76 lines i dislike country music as an entire genre

> i dislike country music as an entire genre > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Wes <wesley.macdonald@hotmail.co.uk> > wrote: > >> I think it should be called music. But people do need a way to lookout >> certain styles or ideas that they're searching for so categorisation does >> have a purpose. What I don't like is people disliking an entire genre of >> music, some songs are better or worse than others regardless of style. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 23 Sep 2014, at 16:57, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of >> a genre of music. Better things..... >> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the >>> time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano >>> tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. >>> was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic >>> fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >>> >>> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a >>>> horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>>> >>>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in >>>> the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent >>>> than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner >>>> notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>>> >>>> k >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>> _____________________________________________ >>> noise I make: >>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>> >>> noise I like: >>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>> >>> sites I run: >>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>> http://o-fu-online.net >>> ------------------------------- >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen <http://22tape.com> >> >> >

2014-09-24 00:14Artie QewpieTRAP -- TRAP Recursive Acid Puns (take that, you chipmunk sampler genre...) On 9/23/2014 7

From:: Artie Qewpie <artie@tymnet.net>
To:: Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com>
Cc:: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:14:32 -0400
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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TRAP -- TRAP Recursive Acid Puns (take that, you chipmunk sampler genre...) On 9/23/2014 7:44 PM, Connor Higgins wrote:

quoted 83 lines I Don't Mind IDM. It Definitely Makes Identifying Delicious Music

> I Don't Mind IDM. It Definitely Makes Identifying Delicious Music > Inherently Doable Mentally. Interesting Discussion Mates: Intellectually > Decisive Minds Interpreting Dependable Magazines. > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i dislike country music as an entire genre >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Wes <wesley.macdonald@hotmail.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> I think it should be called music. But people do need a way to lookout >>> certain styles or ideas that they're searching for so categorisation does >>> have a purpose. What I don't like is people disliking an entire genre of >>> music, some songs are better or worse than others regardless of style. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 23 Sep 2014, at 16:57, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of >>> a genre of music. Better things..... >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the >>>> time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano >>>> tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. >>>> was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic >>>> fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >>>> >>>> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>>>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a >>>>> horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>>>> >>>>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in >>>>> the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent >>>>> than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner >>>>> notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>>>> >>>>> k >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> noise I make: >>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>>> >>>> noise I like: >>>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>>> >>>> sites I run: >>>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>>> http://o-fu-online.net >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 22tape/jared dunne >>> listen <http://22tape.com> >>> >>> >> >

-- --arturius qewpie that which is, is wat

2014-09-24 00:17Artie QewpieAnd how could one forget this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRT3fXEmERs On 9/23/2014 8:1

From:: Artie Qewpie <artie@tymnet.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:17:54 -0400
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

And how could one forget this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRT3fXEmERs On 9/23/2014 8:14 PM, Artie Qewpie wrote:

quoted 98 lines TRAP -- TRAP Recursive Acid Puns

> TRAP -- TRAP Recursive Acid Puns > > (take that, you chipmunk sampler genre...) > > On 9/23/2014 7:44 PM, Connor Higgins wrote: >> I Don't Mind IDM. It Definitely Makes Identifying Delicious Music >> Inherently Doable Mentally. Interesting Discussion Mates: Intellectually >> Decisive Minds Interpreting Dependable Magazines. >> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> i dislike country music as an entire genre >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Wes <wesley.macdonald@hotmail.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I think it should be called music. But people do need a way to lookout >>>> certain styles or ideas that they're searching for so categorisation >>>> does >>>> have a purpose. What I don't like is people disliking an entire >>>> genre of >>>> music, some songs are better or worse than others regardless of style. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 23 Sep 2014, at 16:57, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a >>>> name of >>>> a genre of music. Better things..... >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the >>>>> time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 >>>>> beat piano >>>>> tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that >>>>> Autechre etc. >>>>> was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the >>>>> generic >>>>> fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >>>>> >>>>> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>>>>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a >>>>>> horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>>>>> >>>>>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", >>>>>> as in >>>>>> the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more >>>>>> intelligent >>>>>> than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the >>>>>> liner >>>>>> notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>>>>> >>>>>> k >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>>> noise I make: >>>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>>>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>>>> >>>>> noise I like: >>>>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>>>> >>>>> sites I run: >>>>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>>>> http://o-fu-online.net >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> 22tape/jared dunne >>>> listen <http://22tape.com> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >

-- --arturius qewpie that which is, is wat

2014-09-23 18:09John D.Well, been a pretty long time since we had this conversation for the nth time, and it won'

From:: John D. <johndalton@pchome.com.tw>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 02:09:23 +0800
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

Well, been a pretty long time since we had this conversation for the nth time, and it won't last long. The next time will probably be longer away and less long, if you get my drift. In fifty years there will probably be a single post about it after 20 years or something.

quoted 60 lines I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name

> I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name > of a genre of music. Better things..... > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com > <mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: > > i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at > the time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to > 4-4 beat piano tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was > viewed that Autechre etc. was more "listening music", therefore > more intelligent than the generic fodder blasting into the > countryside at 6am.... i guess :) > > On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com > <mailto:kawayama@gmail.com>> wrote: > > bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i > think. > "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, > but a horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? > > and Warp only named their compilation "artificial > intelligence", as in the scientific concept, they never > claimed the music was more intelligent than other music. in > fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner notes. it > was the creators of this list who named it. > > k > > > > -- > > constant shallowness leads to evil. > > > > > -- > _____________________________________________ > Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K > _____________________________________________ > noise I make: > http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin > http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin > > noise I like: > http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly > > sites I run: > http://www.ctran.co.uk > http://o-fu-online.net > ------------------------------- > > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com>

2014-09-23 18:32Basma OIt is my favorite genre ehem subject of discussion! Idm is not a genre, it's just a new wa

From:: Basma O <basma.o@gmail.com>
To:: John D. <johndalton@pchome.com.tw>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:32:33 +0200
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

It is my favorite genre ehem subject of discussion! Idm is not a genre, it's just a new way of music all together, think about it how many genres that are genres that we can also call idm? Intelligent dance music, is probably the fourth circuit of the collective brain the new intelligence as consciousness or something, like when modern art hit the classical walls it wasn't a new classical genre it was a whole new way of looking at light and reality! Oh well , is there a genre called jeanz n greenz? I thought I heard someone talk about it... :D On Sep 23, 2014 9:09 PM, "John D." <johndalton@pchome.com.tw> wrote:

quoted 63 lines Well, been a pretty long time since we had this conversation for the nth

> Well, been a pretty long time since we had this conversation for the nth > time, and it won't last long. The next time will probably be longer away > and less long, if you get my drift. In fifty years there will probably be a > single post about it after 20 years or something. > > I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of > a genre of music. Better things..... > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time >> IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano >> tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. >> was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic >> fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >> >> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a >>> horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>> >>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in >>> the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent >>> than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner >>> notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>> >>> k >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________________________ >> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >> _____________________________________________ >> noise I make: >> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >> >> noise I like: >> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >> >> sites I run: >> http://www.ctran.co.uk >> http://o-fu-online.net >> ------------------------------- >> > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com> > > >

2014-09-23 20:31Artie QewpieThe map is not the territory, and Leary's 8-circuit model is a 60's timewarp. ;) On 9/23/2

From:: Artie Qewpie <artie@tymnet.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:31:08 -0400
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
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The map is not the territory, and Leary's 8-circuit model is a 60's timewarp. ;) On 9/23/2014 2:32 PM, Basma O wrote:

quoted 76 lines It is my favorite genre ehem subject of discussion! Idm is not a genre,

> It is my favorite genre ehem subject of discussion! Idm is not a genre, > it's just a new way of music all together, think about it how many genres > that are genres that we can also call idm? Intelligent dance music, is > probably the fourth circuit of the collective brain the new intelligence as > consciousness or something, like when modern art hit the classical walls it > wasn't a new classical genre it was a whole new way of looking at light and > reality! > > Oh well , is there a genre called jeanz n greenz? I thought I heard someone > talk about it... :D > On Sep 23, 2014 9:09 PM, "John D." <johndalton@pchome.com.tw> wrote: > >> Well, been a pretty long time since we had this conversation for the nth >> time, and it won't last long. The next time will probably be longer away >> and less long, if you get my drift. In fifty years there will probably be a >> single post about it after 20 years or something. >> >> I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of >> a genre of music. Better things..... >> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time >>> IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano >>> tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. >>> was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic >>> fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >>> >>> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a >>>> horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>>> >>>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in >>>> the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent >>>> than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner >>>> notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>>> >>>> k >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>> _____________________________________________ >>> noise I make: >>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>> >>> noise I like: >>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>> >>> sites I run: >>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>> http://o-fu-online.net >>> ------------------------------- >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen <http://22tape.com> >> >> >> >

-- --arturius qewpie that which is, is wat

2014-09-23 20:58Basma Oyeah... just something like that

From:: Basma O <basma.o@gmail.com>
To:: Artie Qewpie <artie@tymnet.net>
Cc:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:58:08 +0200
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

yeah... just something like that

2014-09-23 18:38Peacejunkas long as i don’t see intelligent dances by intelligent dancers i can’t think of intellig

From:: Peacejunk <peacejunk1@gmx.net>
To:: John D. <johndalton@pchome.com.tw>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 20:38:37 +0200
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

as long as i don’t see intelligent dances by intelligent dancers i can’t think of intelligent dance music. so can we simply come down on intelligent music? :p but good to see how influential the IDM list was that NO ONE could oppose it with a different name. i know, all a question of intelligence… ----- CRAZY LANGUAGE N E T L A B E L for contemporary electronic music http://www.crazy-language.de http://crazylanguage.bandcamp.com http://www.soundcloud.com/crazy-language http://www.facebook.com/crazy.language.netlabel Am 23.09.2014 um 20:09 schrieb John D. <johndalton@pchome.com.tw>:

quoted 44 lines Well, been a pretty long time since we had this conversation for the nth time, and it won&

> Well, been a pretty long time since we had this conversation for the nth time, and it won't last long. The next time will probably be longer away and less long, if you get my drift. In fifty years there will probably be a single post about it after 20 years or something. >> I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of a genre of music. Better things..... >> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >> >> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >> >> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >> >> k >> >> >> >> -- >> >> constant shallowness leads to evil. >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________________________ >> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >> _____________________________________________ >> noise I make: >> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >> >> noise I like: >> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >> >> sites I run: >> http://www.ctran.co.uk >> http://o-fu-online.net >> ------------------------------- >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen >

2014-09-23 20:18Pete KimIsn't this getting a little old? Let's instead start bashing the term "serious music"—wtf

From:: Pete Kim <hyun_sik_kim@brown.edu>
To:: Peacejunk <peacejunk1@gmx.net>
Cc:: John D. <johndalton@pchome.com.tw>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:18:11 -0400
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

Isn't this getting a little old? Let's instead start bashing the term "serious music"—wtf does that mean anyway? On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Peacejunk <peacejunk1@gmx.net> wrote:

quoted 92 lines as long as i don’t see intelligent dances by intelligent dancers i can’t

> as long as i don’t see intelligent dances by intelligent dancers i can’t > think of intelligent dance music. > > so can we simply come down on intelligent music? :p > > but good to see how influential the IDM list was that NO ONE could oppose > it with a different name. > i know, all a question of intelligence… > > > ----- > > CRAZY LANGUAGE > N E T L A B E L > for contemporary > electronic music > > http://www.crazy-language.de > http://crazylanguage.bandcamp.com > <http://www.facebook.com/crazy.language.netlabel> > http://www.soundcloud.com/crazy-language > http://www.facebook.com/crazy.language.netlabel > > > > > Am 23.09.2014 um 20:09 schrieb John D. <johndalton@pchome.com.tw>: > > Well, been a pretty long time since we had this conversation for the nth > time, and it won't last long. The next time will probably be longer away > and less long, if you get my drift. In fifty years there will probably be a > single post about it after 20 years or something. > > I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about a name of > a genre of music. Better things..... > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. But at the time >> IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in fields to 4-4 beat piano >> tracks inter-dispersed with hoover sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. >> was more "listening music", therefore more intelligent than the generic >> fodder blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >> >> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on here, i think. >>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing list, but a >>> horrible name for a genre, can we not all agree on that? >>> >>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial intelligence", as in >>> the scientific concept, they never claimed the music was more intelligent >>> than other music. in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner >>> notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>> >>> k >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________________________ >> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >> _____________________________________________ >> noise I make: >> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >> >> noise I like: >> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >> >> sites I run: >> http://www.ctran.co.uk >> http://o-fu-online.net >> ------------------------------- >> > > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com/> > > > >

2014-09-23 20:26kawayamaEqually as stupid a term — or even stupider? k tisdag 23 september 2014 skrev Pete Kim <hy

From:: kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:26:59 +0200
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

Equally as stupid a term — or even stupider? k tisdag 23 september 2014 skrev Pete Kim <hyun_sik_kim@brown.edu>:

quoted 5 lines Isn't this getting a little old? Let's instead start bashing the term

> Isn't this getting a little old? Let's instead start bashing the term > "serious music"—wtf does that mean anyway? > > >

-- constant shallowness leads to evil.

2014-09-24 07:23John D.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_5DbuLg1LM > Isn't this getting a little old? Let's inste

From:: John D. <johndalton@pchome.com.tw>
To:: idm@hyperreal.org >> IDM List <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 15:23:39 +0800
Subject:: Re: idm list dissed
Reply to:: Re: idm list dissed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_5DbuLg1LM

quoted 104 lines Isn't this getting a little old? Let's instead start bashing the term

> Isn't this getting a little old? Let's instead start bashing the term > "serious music"—wtf does that mean anyway? > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Peacejunk <peacejunk1@gmx.net > <mailto:peacejunk1@gmx.net>> wrote: > > as long as i don’t see intelligent dances by intelligent dancers i > can’t think of intelligent dance music. > > so can we simply come down on intelligent music? :p > > but good to see how influential the IDM list was that NO ONE could > oppose it with a different name. > i know, all a question of intelligence… > > > ----- > > CRAZY LANGUAGE > N E T L A B E L > for contemporary > electronic music > > http://www.crazy-language.de <http://www.crazy-language.de/> > http://crazylanguage.bandcamp.com > <http://www.facebook.com/crazy.language.netlabel> > http://www.soundcloud.com/crazy-language > http://www.facebook.com/crazy.language.netlabel > > > > > Am 23.09.2014 um 20:09 schrieb John D. <johndalton@pchome.com.tw > <mailto:johndalton@pchome.com.tw>>: > >> Well, been a pretty long time since we had this conversation for >> the nth time, and it won't last long. The next time will probably >> be longer away and less long, if you get my drift. In fifty years >> there will probably be a single post about it after 20 years or >> something. >>> I never understood why so much time is wasted on bitching about >>> a name of a genre of music. Better things..... >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com >>> <mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> i always preferred the label "electronica" for the genre. >>> But at the time IDM came to be because the UK was dancing in >>> fields to 4-4 beat piano tracks inter-dispersed with hoover >>> sounds. It was viewed that Autechre etc. was more "listening >>> music", therefore more intelligent than the generic fodder >>> blasting into the countryside at 6am.... i guess :) >>> >>> On 23 September 2014 13:32, kawayama <kawayama@gmail.com >>> <mailto:kawayama@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> bit too much nit-picking and defensiveness going on >>> here, i think. >>> "intelligent dance music" is an okay name for a mailing >>> list, but a horrible name for a genre, can we not all >>> agree on that? >>> >>> and Warp only named their compilation "artificial >>> intelligence", as in the scientific concept, they never >>> claimed the music was more intelligent than other music. >>> in fact, Warp called it 'listening music' in the liner >>> notes. it was the creators of this list who named it. >>> >>> k >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> constant shallowness leads to evil. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>> _____________________________________________ >>> noise I make: >>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>> >>> noise I like: >>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>> >>> sites I run: >>> http://www.ctran.co.uk <http://www.ctran.co.uk/> >>> http://o-fu-online.net <http://o-fu-online.net/> >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 22tape/jared dunne >>> listen <http://22tape.com/> >> > >