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2001-03-21 18:53Totally 2StepHi Kids- I just read this in the Sun Times. when are people going to start partying respon

From:: Totally 2Step <totally2step@bombdiggity.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:53:14 -0800
Subject:: [idm] Another OD at a Party

Hi Kids- I just read this in the Sun Times. when are people going to start partying responsibly and respecting the rights of others. Going to parties and rolling so hard that you die is not only bad for you but disasterous to our scene as well. PLEASE THINK TWICEBEFORE YOU TAKE THOSE PILLS! love, t2s ----------------------------------------------- http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/party20.html Man dies after OD at party March 20, 2001 BY FRANK MAIN CRIME REPORTER Cook County sheriff's officers were baffled when youngsters pulled up to their roadside safety check Saturday and asked for directions "to the rave at the Rosemont convention center." It turned out that more than 6,500 revelers from across the Midwest--including 20-year-old James C. Roberts III of Dayton, Ohio--were headed to "Live on the Decks 4," a dance party at the center. Roberts, who bought drugs at the party, died of an apparent overdose Sunday morning after collapsing in a Best Western hotel room in Burbank, police said. "We have preached to our kids about what drugs can do," said his father, James C. Roberts II. "Obviously, I am upset my son is dead, but he has responsibility because he was there." Roberts, a security manager at a store in a Dayton suburb, learned of the party on the Internet and showed up with three friends. He took Ecstasy and Ketamine, an animal tranquilizer known on the street as "Special K." Roberts started shaking and hallucinating after returning to a Burbank hotel where he and his friends were staying, Burbank police Chief W.M. Kujawa said. His friends called 911 and he was taken to Christ Hospital Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where he died at 9:55 a.m. Sunday. The Cook County medical examiner's office is waiting for results of a toxicology test before determining a cause of death, a spokeswoman said. Kujawa said he did not expect criminal charges. The chance of finding the seller of the drugs is remote because so many people attended the party, he said. After his death, Roberts' friends told his father that he would surf the Internet for information on how many drugs he could take without getting sick. He once went to a friend's parents in high school to let them know their son was taking cocaine, his father said. Burbank police described Saturday's party as a "rave." And an Internet search for "Chicago raves" displayed an Electronic Music Inc./Boogie Tribe Web site that advertised the party. But the party was booked as a "young dance, not a rave," said Jim Freeman, executive director of the Donald E. Stephens Convention Center in Rosemont. He called it a "college break-type function" and said his staff monitored Internet traffic to make sure the event was not advertised as a rave. "First and foremost, we are not rave promoters," said the Boogie Tribe site. "Our goals, ideologies and event production attempt to defy the `rave' stereotype of a drug-infested, illegal warehouse party." The site warned partygoers not to bring weapons, drugs and pacifiers. Ecstasy users sometimes chew on pacifiers to keep their teeth from grinding. Rosemont police said about 6,500 people attended the event. They checked the partygoers at the door, finding 18 false IDs and arresting one man on a robbery warrant, Rosemont police Lt. Kieran J. Mackey said. Bobby Benkowsky, 24, owner of EQ, a North Side clothing store, said the dangers of raves have been overblown. Benkowsky sold tickets to the party and was there Saturday. "There's really no difference between a rave and a concert," he said. "The majority of the people go there for the music and not for a drug experience." Benkowsky said he did not see any drug-dealing at the event, although people were caught with contraband at the door and asked to leave. Last week, Mayor Daley announced a crackdown on Chicago building owners and managers who allow rave parties where illegal drugs are used. "It is very sad this young person had to die to illustrate the point the mayor made last week that it appears, at least, that adults look the other way when illegal activities are taking place at these parties," said Jacquelyn Heard, spokeswoman for the mayor. -------+++++++++_____________++++++++++--------- +++++++_________-------------__________+++++++++ |______\_______/\____________/\_______/________| |______/_______\/____________\/_______\________| +++++++_________==============_________+++++++++ =======---------++++++++++++++---------========= ------------------------------------------------------------ * http://www.bombdiggity.com/ * Free e-mail and special offers: 300MB of FREE SPACE at http://www.freediskspace.com/Signup.asp?cust=AFFL444 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-03-22 05:03Chispas De MuerteYou know its funny how there are never any 20/20 dateline tabloid telivised specials about

From:: Chispas De Muerte <generentropy@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:03:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Another OD at a Party
Reply to:: [idm] Another OD at a Party

You know its funny how there are never any 20/20 dateline tabloid telivised specials about the heptide of alcoholic sports fans or amphetamine addled truck drivers or cocaine snorting frat boys, its all about those ecstasy ridden drug orgy rave parties. Good old american media whipping thier republican hordes into a god fearing war on drugs frenzy, making the example of one persons unfortunate demise a case to crack down on a subculture that has the potential to be morrally hazardous to thier bible beating masses. I read in the newspaper yesterday that the sentencing body of the u.s. justice system is trying to make terms for trafficing ecstasy equal to or greater than that of cocaine or heroin!I think regardless of where you stand in the issue of it's toxicity e does not even come close statistically in fatalities to those two or even alcohol, redneck americas favorite pastime. Oh and also that article mentions that guy put Ketamine into the mix as well. I think people do stupid things with drugs. I think people really need to research and be carefull with what they are using, and educate yourself like fuck. I also think people do really amazingly cool stuff with drugs, and I think drugs can be a way positive thing used correctly. Humans have been using various substances to tweak thier brains probably since they figured out that fire thing to see god,have fun, laugh, get laid, feel wierd,etc.In fact you can thank acid and excstasy for the inspiration to probably half the whacked out music we all listen to and also unfortunatly for all the crappy electronic stuff out there too. please save your moralizing for Oprah Winfrey or Geraldo or some other tabloid that cares. --- Totally 2Step <totally2step@bombdiggity.com> wrote:

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> Hi Kids- > > I just read this in the Sun Times. when are people > going to start partying responsibly and respecting > the rights of others. Going to parties and rolling > so hard that you die is not only bad for you but > disasterous to our scene as well. > > PLEASE THINK TWICEBEFORE YOU TAKE THOSE PILLS! > > love, > > t2s > > ----------------------------------------------- > > http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/party20.html > > Man dies after OD at party > > March 20, 2001 > > BY FRANK MAIN CRIME REPORTER > > > > Cook County sheriff's officers were baffled when > youngsters pulled up to their roadside safety check > Saturday and asked for directions "to the rave at > the Rosemont convention center." > > It turned out that more than 6,500 revelers from > across the Midwest--including 20-year-old James C. > Roberts III of Dayton, Ohio--were headed to "Live on > the Decks 4," a dance party at the center. > > Roberts, who bought drugs at the party, died of an > apparent overdose Sunday morning after collapsing in > a Best Western hotel room in Burbank, police said. > > "We have preached to our kids about what drugs can > do," said his father, James C. Roberts II. > "Obviously, I am upset my son is dead, but he has > responsibility because he was there." > > Roberts, a security manager at a store in a Dayton > suburb, learned of the party on the Internet and > showed up with three friends. He took Ecstasy and > Ketamine, an animal tranquilizer known on the street > as "Special K." > > Roberts started shaking and hallucinating after > returning to a Burbank hotel where he and his > friends were staying, Burbank police Chief W.M. > Kujawa said. His friends called 911 and he was taken > to Christ Hospital Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where > he died at 9:55 a.m. Sunday. > > The Cook County medical examiner's office is waiting > for results of a toxicology test before determining > a cause of death, a spokeswoman said. Kujawa said he > did not expect criminal charges. The chance of > finding the seller of the drugs is remote because so > many people attended the party, he said. > > After his death, Roberts' friends told his father > that he would surf the Internet for information on > how many drugs he could take without getting sick. > He once went to a friend's parents in high school to > let them know their son was taking cocaine, his > father said. > > Burbank police described Saturday's party as a > "rave." And an Internet search for "Chicago raves" > displayed an Electronic Music Inc./Boogie Tribe Web > site that advertised the party. > > But the party was booked as a "young dance, not a > rave," said Jim Freeman, executive director of the > Donald E. Stephens Convention Center in Rosemont. He > called it a "college break-type function" and said > his staff monitored Internet traffic to make sure > the event was not advertised as a rave. > > "First and foremost, we are not rave promoters," > said the Boogie Tribe site. "Our goals, ideologies > and event production attempt to defy the `rave' > stereotype of a drug-infested, illegal warehouse > party." > > The site warned partygoers not to bring weapons, > drugs and pacifiers. Ecstasy users sometimes chew on > pacifiers to keep their teeth from grinding. > > Rosemont police said about 6,500 people attended the > event. They checked the partygoers at the door, > finding 18 false IDs and arresting one man on a > robbery warrant, Rosemont police Lt. Kieran J. > Mackey said. > > Bobby Benkowsky, 24, owner of EQ, a North Side > clothing store, said the dangers of raves have been > overblown. Benkowsky sold tickets to the party and > was there Saturday. > > "There's really no difference between a rave and a > concert," he said. "The majority of the people go > there for the music and not for a drug experience." > > Benkowsky said he did not see any drug-dealing at > the event, although people were caught with > contraband at the door and asked to leave. > > Last week, Mayor Daley announced a crackdown on > Chicago building owners and managers who allow rave > parties where illegal drugs are used. > > "It is very sad this young person had to die to > illustrate the point the mayor made last week that > it appears, at least, that adults look the other way > when illegal activities are taking place at these > parties," said Jacquelyn Heard, spokeswoman for the > mayor. > > > > > > > > > > -------+++++++++_____________++++++++++--------- > +++++++_________-------------__________+++++++++ > |______\_______/\____________/\_______/________| > |______/_______\/____________\/_______\________| > +++++++_________==============_________+++++++++ > =======---------++++++++++++++---------========= > > > >

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2001-03-21 19:08Gause, BrianSince when does responsibility and 'respecting the rights of others' mean NOT putting a dr

From:: Gause, Brian <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM>
To:: 'Totally 2Step' <totally2step@bombdiggity.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:08:41 -0800
Subject:: RE: [idm] Another OD at a Party

Since when does responsibility and 'respecting the rights of others' mean NOT putting a drug into your body? And the last paragraph of this is frightening. What are they implying? That everytime you see someone taking a drug at a party, you should stop them? Vigilante justice, is that it? What happens when that sort of attitude spreads to other illegal activity? Drugs and music have ALWAYS been and will ALWAYS be linked. Whether it's wine, beer, vodka, E, acid, nitrous, whatever...it's not going away. If you don't like it, stay away. Period. on an IDM note, I played the new Multicast disk for a friend last night and she freaked...we only listened to a few minutes before she begged me to turn it off. Somehow the crackling distortion gave her the willies. Maybe I'll keep the lights on next time, eh? ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 882-1980 x203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: Totally 2Step [mailto:totally2step@bombdiggity.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:53 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Another OD at a Party Hi Kids- I just read this in the Sun Times. when are people going to start partying responsibly and respecting the rights of others. Going to parties and rolling so hard that you die is not only bad for you but disasterous to our scene as well. PLEASE THINK TWICEBEFORE YOU TAKE THOSE PILLS! love, t2s ----------------------------------------------- http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/party20.html Man dies after OD at party March 20, 2001 BY FRANK MAIN CRIME REPORTER Cook County sheriff's officers were baffled when youngsters pulled up to their roadside safety check Saturday and asked for directions "to the rave at the Rosemont convention center." It turned out that more than 6,500 revelers from across the Midwest--including 20-year-old James C. Roberts III of Dayton, Ohio--were headed to "Live on the Decks 4," a dance party at the center. Roberts, who bought drugs at the party, died of an apparent overdose Sunday morning after collapsing in a Best Western hotel room in Burbank, police said. "We have preached to our kids about what drugs can do," said his father, James C. Roberts II. "Obviously, I am upset my son is dead, but he has responsibility because he was there." Roberts, a security manager at a store in a Dayton suburb, learned of the party on the Internet and showed up with three friends. He took Ecstasy and Ketamine, an animal tranquilizer known on the street as "Special K." Roberts started shaking and hallucinating after returning to a Burbank hotel where he and his friends were staying, Burbank police Chief W.M. Kujawa said. His friends called 911 and he was taken to Christ Hospital Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where he died at 9:55 a.m. Sunday. The Cook County medical examiner's office is waiting for results of a toxicology test before determining a cause of death, a spokeswoman said. Kujawa said he did not expect criminal charges. The chance of finding the seller of the drugs is remote because so many people attended the party, he said. After his death, Roberts' friends told his father that he would surf the Internet for information on how many drugs he could take without getting sick. He once went to a friend's parents in high school to let them know their son was taking cocaine, his father said. Burbank police described Saturday's party as a "rave." And an Internet search for "Chicago raves" displayed an Electronic Music Inc./Boogie Tribe Web site that advertised the party. But the party was booked as a "young dance, not a rave," said Jim Freeman, executive director of the Donald E. Stephens Convention Center in Rosemont. He called it a "college break-type function" and said his staff monitored Internet traffic to make sure the event was not advertised as a rave. "First and foremost, we are not rave promoters," said the Boogie Tribe site. "Our goals, ideologies and event production attempt to defy the `rave' stereotype of a drug-infested, illegal warehouse party." The site warned partygoers not to bring weapons, drugs and pacifiers. Ecstasy users sometimes chew on pacifiers to keep their teeth from grinding. Rosemont police said about 6,500 people attended the event. They checked the partygoers at the door, finding 18 false IDs and arresting one man on a robbery warrant, Rosemont police Lt. Kieran J. Mackey said. Bobby Benkowsky, 24, owner of EQ, a North Side clothing store, said the dangers of raves have been overblown. Benkowsky sold tickets to the party and was there Saturday. "There's really no difference between a rave and a concert," he said. "The majority of the people go there for the music and not for a drug experience." Benkowsky said he did not see any drug-dealing at the event, although people were caught with contraband at the door and asked to leave. Last week, Mayor Daley announced a crackdown on Chicago building owners and managers who allow rave parties where illegal drugs are used. "It is very sad this young person had to die to illustrate the point the mayor made last week that it appears, at least, that adults look the other way when illegal activities are taking place at these parties," said Jacquelyn Heard, spokeswoman for the mayor. -------+++++++++_____________++++++++++--------- +++++++_________-------------__________+++++++++ |______\_______/\____________/\_______/________| |______/_______\/____________\/_______\________| +++++++_________==============_________+++++++++ =======---------++++++++++++++---------========= ------------------------------------------------------------ * http://www.bombdiggity.com/ * Free e-mail and special offers: 300MB of FREE SPACE at http://www.freediskspace.com/Signup.asp?cust=AFFL444 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-03-21 19:16wells@submute.netDisasterous for a scene when a few morons take too many drugs and keel over? That sort of

From:: wells@submute.net <wells@submute.net>
To:: totally2step@bombdiggity.com <totally2step@bombdiggity.com>, idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:16:21 -0500
Subject:: RE: [idm] Another OD at a Party

Disasterous for a scene when a few morons take too many drugs and keel over? That sort of stupidity doesn't deserve pity, much less a badly-themed story in any sort of people. Stupid is as stupid rolls, or something like that. The idea of "reponsible" ecstasy use is pretty fucking amusing to begin with. Original Message: ----------------- From: Totally 2Step totally2step@bombdiggity.com Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:53:14 -0800 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Another OD at a Party Hi Kids- I just read this in the Sun Times. when are people going to start partying responsibly and respecting the rights of others. Going to parties and rolling so hard that you die is not only bad for you but disasterous to our scene as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-03-21 21:20thomas m weibrechtOn Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:08:41 -0800 "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM> writes: > Since

From:: thomas m weibrecht <tweibrecht@juno.com>
To:: <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM>
Cc:: <totally2step@bombdiggity.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:20:57 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Another OD at a Party

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:08:41 -0800 "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM> writes:

quoted 3 lines Since when does responsibility and 'respecting the rights of others'

> Since when does responsibility and 'respecting the rights of others' > mean > NOT putting a drug into your body?

since when does putting a drug in ur body give you the right to puke all over me? tom w np: glory b: sunday island ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2001-03-21 21:24Matthew Korfhage"wells@submute.net" <wells@submute.net> wrote: > >Disasterous for a scene when a few moron

From:: Matthew Korfhage <pomomofo2000@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:24:02 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] Another OD at a Party

"wells@submute.net" <wells@submute.net> wrote:

quoted 11 lines Disasterous for a scene when a few morons take too many drugs and >keel

> >Disasterous for a scene when a few morons take too many drugs and >keel >over? > >That sort of stupidity doesn't deserve pity, much less a badly-themed > >story in any sort of people. > >Stupid is as stupid rolls, or something like that. > >The idea of "reponsible" ecstasy use is pretty fucking amusing to >begin with.

What's, er, "disasterous" is the kind of fear and paranoia that causes ostensible adults to attempt to outlaw dance events because of a few tragedies (especially since drug overdoses are most likely every bit as common at, say, rock and roll events). The "moron" in question, when the toxicology comes up, may well be shown to have taken MDMA that had been cut with something else, probably a stronger derivative (one of the hazards of otherwise reasonably safe drugs being illegal). And no, no one deserves "pity"--for different reasons than the ones you'd be likely to give--but someone's life getting cut off at 20 is a tragedy that should be mourned, however it happened and whoever's at fault. And yes, there *is* such a thing as responsible ecstacy use, as evidenced by the hundreds of presumably responsible pharmacotherapists lobbying that its use for therapeutic purposes be allowed by the FDA, who is seriously considering it as a treatment of clinical depression. Used sparingly (as in once a month or so), it doesn't even depress your seratonin levels any more than alcohol over the long term--- assuming, of course, that you're a happy drunk. And incidentally: no, I am not a big proponent of ecstacy use (or any chemicals that take you places that you should really be able to get to on your own), nor do I take X myself, but the general paranoia surrounding this particular drug is laughable, as was your response. This drug was made illegal because it was new and because it's recreational, not because it was actually much more dangerous than any number of over-the-counter or prescription drugs. "Not dangerous", natch, assumes that the dosage and contents are regulated, which isn't currently the case, and that no one is dumb enough to give themselves water poisoning, which is the one legitimate danger of a normal dose. And I agree with Brian that the "willing to look the other way when illegal drugs, etc.." comment is a bit frightening in its implications. Expect a "repetitive beats" law in Chicago soon, with the incumbent chest-beating. Cheers, Matthew _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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