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2000-05-02 07:24Colin King-Bailey [idm] hip hop
2001-02-23 10:17Re: [idm] lots of complicated words
└─ 2001-02-24 02:33Brian MacDonald [idm] Hip hop
2001-02-24 01:50Kevin Ryan @ [idm] Hip Hop
└─ 2001-02-24 02:14Chris Frey Re: [idm] Hip Hop
2001-02-24 02:39Kevin Ryan @ Re: [idm] Hip hop
└─ 2001-02-24 02:52skism RE: [idm] Hip hop
2001-02-24 03:07component Re: [idm] Hip Hop
2001-02-24 19:11Geoff Stahl Re: [idm] Hip Hop
2001-02-26 19:20iamno bojackson [idm] re: Hip Hop
2002-07-08 21:02Philip Sherburne [idm] hip hop
├─ 2002-07-08 21:37Record Camp RE: [idm] hip hop
└─ 2002-07-09 01:58Nick Rogerson Re: [idm] hip hop
2002-07-08 21:42david boruff Re: [idm] hip hop
└─ 2002-07-08 22:54Mxyzptlk Re: [idm] hip hop
└─ 2002-07-08 22:09Thomas Millar Re: [idm] hip hop
2002-07-09 06:00albert loo Re: [idm] hip hop
2002-07-09 07:08Brad Mitchell Re: [idm] hip hop
└─ 2002-07-09 09:38jean paul l'asthme Re: [idm] hip hop (RJD2)
2002-07-09 08:28matt salcido Re: [idm] hip hop
2002-07-09 10:25Paul Webb Re: [idm] hip hop
2002-07-09 21:31production unit [idm] hip hop
2002-07-10 18:51Rabea R. Chaudhary [idm] re: hip hop
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2000-05-02 07:24Colin King-Baileyanyone know of a good hip hop mailing list, esp. one that focuses on east coast?
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anyone know of a good hip hop mailing list, esp. one that focuses on east coast?
2001-02-23 10:17"\"Don't mourn, organize!\"" <deltakid@ucla.edu>hey you bullshitter! no one gives a shit about your foucaultian hip hop research paper, go
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hey you bullshitter! no one gives a shit about your foucaultian hip hop research paper, go bite off and join a b-boy circle! fuck academic subculture analysis, learn to dance you tie-wearing ass-kisser! -sko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Ryan @" <i__oo__@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 5:50 PM Subject: [idm] Hip Hop
quoted 4 lines The genre of hip hop qua cultural locus manifested (and, if I may,> The genre of hip hop qua cultural locus manifested (and, if I may, > legitimated) the inertia of the Postmodern ethos of mediumistic > deconstruction in the 1970s, which in itself was in many respects a > culmination of the 1960s hermeneutic of the post-dada studio production
and
quoted 1 line re/de-simulation foci of the rising production mnemonic in live music.> re/de-simulation foci of the rising production mnemonic in live music.
Seen
quoted 3 lines from this perspective, can hip hop be "live"? First, one must recall that> from this perspective, can hip hop be "live"? First, one must recall that > hip hop, vernacular usage aside, was originally delineated in its cultural > dimension. The term was allegedly codified, if not fabricated, or at
least
quoted 6 lines lexicalized, by Afrika Bambaataa, who in the mid-1970s identified not four> lexicalized, by Afrika Bambaataa, who in the mid-1970s identified not four > but five "pillars" of the nascent designation: MCing, DJing, breaking, > graffiti, and Zulu nation, the last of which being a pan-Africanist > association of black skinned persons in urban centres, particularly the > Bronx. It may be useful at this point to note that Bambaataa's namesake > itself is most likely a tipping of the hat to the Bambata insurgence in
1906
quoted 6 lines against the British colonial rule of South Africa, easily attributed, by a> against the British colonial rule of South Africa, easily attributed, by a > gloss, to the society, albeit segmented political system, of the extant > Zulu. The internal structure of Bambaataa's reinscription of nomenclature > thus highlights a fiction of agency that parallels the appropriation of > factual knowledge, an unconscious, or at best quasi-conscious, > de-semanticization of Afrocentric loan terms aimed at fostering a
discourse
quoted 8 lines of racial empowerment and a subsequent deconstruction or reformulation of> of racial empowerment and a subsequent deconstruction or reformulation of > the Eurocentric grammar. > > In perhaps simpler terms, the experience of hip hop (re)embodies the very > semantic drift that is tellingly symptomatic of syntactical uncertainty > grafted on to the language of popular culture (seen from the post-Hegelian > viewpoint, at least). While the tacit epistemological justification of > early hip hop remains a rich source of analysis, let us turn to, first,
the
quoted 2 lines reduction-or progression, if you prefer-of hip hop from a socio-cultural> reduction-or progression, if you prefer-of hip hop from a socio-cultural > locus to a genre of art, and, second, to its co-optation and
re-codification
quoted 5 lines in contemporary circles of electronic music production. The conceptual> in contemporary circles of electronic music production. The conceptual > re-casting thematized by hip hop over the last three decades parallels the > renunciation of praxis in other musical cultures, such as rock, blues, and > funk. Here it is useful to invoke DeMan's aesthetic ideology, which is > closely allied to the politics of the Other. Hip hop's heyday in the
1970s
quoted 4 lines was largely an underground sociocentric endeavor, unconcerned with the> was largely an underground sociocentric endeavor, unconcerned with the > transformation on to physical medium (cf., DeMan's coverage of cultural > aesthetics in a non-art setting) outside of a smattering of cassette > bootlegging. While the Sugarhill Gang were not the very first to codify
rap
quoted 2 lines on the vinyl medium (they were narrowly beat to the punch by a Fatback> on the vinyl medium (they were narrowly beat to the punch by a Fatback > b-side and one other obscure recording by an outside impresario, both in
the
quoted 4 lines summer of 1979), in September 1979 their enormously popular 12" "Rapper's> summer of 1979), in September 1979 their enormously popular 12" "Rapper's > Delight" heralded a new ideological era of hip hop which eventually > marginalized the wholistic culture of hip hop promulgated by its founders. > The (re)formation of history as such is comparable with the
delegitimization
quoted 6 lines of the enigmatic, the very raison-d'etre of the underground, as the> of the enigmatic, the very raison-d'etre of the underground, as the > subculture's zeitgeist demonstrated its susceptibility to capitalistic > king-of-the-hillisms with a facility emblematic of the Heraclitean flux of > market forces. > > Here we see that hip hop is not so much a genre in the traditional
Platonic
quoted 1 line essentialistic sense, but rather a Wittgensteinian "family of> essentialistic sense, but rather a Wittgensteinian "family of
resemblences"
quoted 2 lines amenable to co-optation by new progressivistic artists utilizing physical> amenable to co-optation by new progressivistic artists utilizing physical > media. Although hip hop's chief organizers of the 1970s, such as Kool
Herc
quoted 1 line (perhaps the original founder of the culture but by no stretch a> (perhaps the original founder of the culture but by no stretch a
theorist),
quoted 5 lines Grandmaster Flash ("the scientist of the mix," the forebear of hip hop's> Grandmaster Flash ("the scientist of the mix," the forebear of hip hop's > modern penchant for instrumentals and turntablistic noodling), and their > confrere Bambaataa himself, originally denounced the vinylization of the > genre, all but Herc had jumped on the commercialistic bandwagon within the > first couple years of 1980s. The rhetoric of radical alterity, it
followed,
quoted 5 lines submitted to an almost protean adaptation to the ephemeral marketplace> submitted to an almost protean adaptation to the ephemeral marketplace > panopticism. The growing acculturation of white-skinned persons and > electronic producers working within the so-called "IDM" rubric represents > yet another fundamental rehashing of the conceptual nuclei of hip hop (in > the family-resemblance schema), refuting its Platonic essence in favor of
a
quoted 2 lines more accomodationist schematization, reminiscent of the shift from> more accomodationist schematization, reminiscent of the shift from > discophilia to discophobia among recorded rappers in the early 1980s, or
of
quoted 3 lines the violent turnover from an underground orientation to a highly vocal> the violent turnover from an underground orientation to a highly vocal > "moneymaking" esprit (although boast rap, often seen as a concomitant to > moneymaking, was elemental in the formative 1970s sphere). The viability
of
quoted 1 line such a transfer is predicated upon the notion of a shifting> such a transfer is predicated upon the notion of a shifting
epistemological
quoted 1 line bearing within a closed (albeit nebulous) genre delimitation. What's> bearing within a closed (albeit nebulous) genre delimitation. What's
more,
quoted 7 lines the divisibility of exoticism opens a space for the invention of the> the divisibility of exoticism opens a space for the invention of the > unspoken. The inception of narrative qua rap (that is, the culturally > motivated anecdotal utterances and illicit aphorizing of MCs) invested > itself in the representational validity of the marginal, but now accepted, > transmutability to the disc medium. The speaking of this societal image, > finally, instantiates the historicization of the autonomous selfhood of > cultural organization congruent with the incipient textuality of the
musical
quoted 10 lines lyric.> lyric. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-02-24 02:33Brian MacDonaldKick the URL for that generator my way, holmes. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ke
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Kick the URL for that generator my way, holmes.
quoted 5 lines ----- Original Message -----> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Ryan @" <i__oo__@hotmail.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 5:50 PM > Subject: [idm] Hip Hop
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2001-02-24 01:50Kevin Ryan @The genre of hip hop qua cultural locus manifested (and, if I may, legitimated) the inerti
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The genre of hip hop qua cultural locus manifested (and, if I may, legitimated) the inertia of the Postmodern ethos of mediumistic deconstruction in the 1970s, which in itself was in many respects a culmination of the 1960s hermeneutic of the post-dada studio production and re/de-simulation foci of the rising production mnemonic in live music. Seen from this perspective, can hip hop be "live"? First, one must recall that hip hop, vernacular usage aside, was originally delineated in its cultural dimension. The term was allegedly codified, if not fabricated, or at least lexicalized, by Afrika Bambaataa, who in the mid-1970s identified not four but five "pillars" of the nascent designation: MCing, DJing, breaking, graffiti, and Zulu nation, the last of which being a pan-Africanist association of black skinned persons in urban centres, particularly the Bronx. It may be useful at this point to note that Bambaataa's namesake itself is most likely a tipping of the hat to the Bambata insurgence in 1906 against the British colonial rule of South Africa, easily attributed, by a gloss, to the society, albeit segmented political system, of the extant Zulu. The internal structure of Bambaataa's reinscription of nomenclature thus highlights a fiction of agency that parallels the appropriation of factual knowledge, an unconscious, or at best quasi-conscious, de-semanticization of Afrocentric loan terms aimed at fostering a discourse of racial empowerment and a subsequent deconstruction or reformulation of the Eurocentric grammar. In perhaps simpler terms, the experience of hip hop (re)embodies the very semantic drift that is tellingly symptomatic of syntactical uncertainty grafted on to the language of popular culture (seen from the post-Hegelian viewpoint, at least). While the tacit epistemological justification of early hip hop remains a rich source of analysis, let us turn to, first, the reduction-or progression, if you prefer-of hip hop from a socio-cultural locus to a genre of art, and, second, to its co-optation and re-codification in contemporary circles of electronic music production. The conceptual re-casting thematized by hip hop over the last three decades parallels the renunciation of praxis in other musical cultures, such as rock, blues, and funk. Here it is useful to invoke DeMan's aesthetic ideology, which is closely allied to the politics of the Other. Hip hop's heyday in the 1970s was largely an underground sociocentric endeavor, unconcerned with the transformation on to physical medium (cf., DeMan's coverage of cultural aesthetics in a non-art setting) outside of a smattering of cassette bootlegging. While the Sugarhill Gang were not the very first to codify rap on the vinyl medium (they were narrowly beat to the punch by a Fatback b-side and one other obscure recording by an outside impresario, both in the summer of 1979), in September 1979 their enormously popular 12" "Rapper's Delight" heralded a new ideological era of hip hop which eventually marginalized the wholistic culture of hip hop promulgated by its founders. The (re)formation of history as such is comparable with the delegitimization of the enigmatic, the very raison-d'etre of the underground, as the subculture's zeitgeist demonstrated its susceptibility to capitalistic king-of-the-hillisms with a facility emblematic of the Heraclitean flux of market forces. Here we see that hip hop is not so much a genre in the traditional Platonic essentialistic sense, but rather a Wittgensteinian "family of resemblences" amenable to co-optation by new progressivistic artists utilizing physical media. Although hip hop's chief organizers of the 1970s, such as Kool Herc (perhaps the original founder of the culture but by no stretch a theorist), Grandmaster Flash ("the scientist of the mix," the forebear of hip hop's modern penchant for instrumentals and turntablistic noodling), and their confrere Bambaataa himself, originally denounced the vinylization of the genre, all but Herc had jumped on the commercialistic bandwagon within the first couple years of 1980s. The rhetoric of radical alterity, it followed, submitted to an almost protean adaptation to the ephemeral marketplace panopticism. The growing acculturation of white-skinned persons and electronic producers working within the so-called "IDM" rubric represents yet another fundamental rehashing of the conceptual nuclei of hip hop (in the family-resemblance schema), refuting its Platonic essence in favor of a more accomodationist schematization, reminiscent of the shift from discophilia to discophobia among recorded rappers in the early 1980s, or of the violent turnover from an underground orientation to a highly vocal "moneymaking" esprit (although boast rap, often seen as a concomitant to moneymaking, was elemental in the formative 1970s sphere). The viability of such a transfer is predicated upon the notion of a shifting epistemological bearing within a closed (albeit nebulous) genre delimitation. What's more, the divisibility of exoticism opens a space for the invention of the unspoken. The inception of narrative qua rap (that is, the culturally motivated anecdotal utterances and illicit aphorizing of MCs) invested itself in the representational validity of the marginal, but now accepted, transmutability to the disc medium. The speaking of this societal image, finally, instantiates the historicization of the autonomous selfhood of cultural organization congruent with the incipient textuality of the musical lyric. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-24 02:14Chris FreyThis was good for a laugh. Pseudo-intellectualism at its finest. the inertia of the Postmo
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This was good for a laugh. Pseudo-intellectualism at its finest. the inertia of the Postmodern ethos of mediumistic
quoted 1 line deconstruction>deconstruction
the 1960s hermeneutic of the post-dada studio production and
quoted 1 line re/de-simulation foci of the rising production mnemonic in live music.>re/de-simulation foci of the rising production mnemonic in live music.
The term was allegedly codified, if not fabricated, or at least
quoted 1 line lexicalized,>lexicalized,
quasi-conscious,
quoted 3 lines de-semanticization of Afrocentric loan terms aimed at fostering a discourse>de-semanticization of Afrocentric loan terms aimed at fostering a discourse >of racial empowerment and a subsequent deconstruction or reformulation of >the Eurocentric grammar.
quoted 3 lines semantic drift that is tellingly symptomatic of syntactical uncertainty>semantic drift that is tellingly symptomatic of syntactical uncertainty >grafted on to the language of popular culture (seen from the post-Hegelian >viewpoint, at least).
the tacit epistemological justification of early hip hop
quoted 3 lines the subculture's zeitgeist demonstrated its susceptibility to capitalistic>the subculture's zeitgeist demonstrated its susceptibility to capitalistic >king-of-the-hillisms with a facility emblematic of the Heraclitean flux of >market forces.
hip hop is not so much a genre in the traditional Platonic
quoted 1 line essentialistic sense, but rather a Wittgensteinian "family of resemblences".>essentialistic sense, but rather a Wittgensteinian "family of resemblences".
instantiates the historicization of the autonomous selfhood of
quoted 2 lines cultural organization congruent with the incipient textuality of the musical>cultural organization congruent with the incipient textuality of the musical >lyric.
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2001-02-24 02:39Kevin Ryan @<<Kick the URL for that generator my way, holmes.>> http://writing-program.uchicago.edu/ra
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2001-02-24 02:52skismHere's another one, handy if you're doing an arts degree... http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-b
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Here's another one, handy if you're doing an arts degree... http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/
quoted 18 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Ryan @ [mailto:i__oo__@hotmail.com] > Sent: 24 February 2001 03:39 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Hip hop > > > <<Kick the URL for that generator my way, holmes.>> > > http://writing-program.uchicago.edu/randomsentence/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2001-02-24 03:07componentOh shit, Dj Spooky is on this list now ? Rob component _________________________ www.compo
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Oh shit, Dj Spooky is on this list now ? Rob component _________________________ www.componentrecords.com _________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Ryan @ <i__oo__@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: [idm] Hip Hop
quoted 89 lines The genre of hip hop qua cultural locus manifested (and, if I may,> The genre of hip hop qua cultural locus manifested (and, if I may, > legitimated) the inertia of the Postmodern ethos of mediumistic > deconstruction in the 1970s, which in itself was in many respects a > culmination of the 1960s hermeneutic of the post-dada studio production and > re/de-simulation foci of the rising production mnemonic in live music. Seen > from this perspective, can hip hop be "live"? First, one must recall that > hip hop, vernacular usage aside, was originally delineated in its cultural > dimension. The term was allegedly codified, if not fabricated, or at least > lexicalized, by Afrika Bambaataa, who in the mid-1970s identified not four > but five "pillars" of the nascent designation: MCing, DJing, breaking, > graffiti, and Zulu nation, the last of which being a pan-Africanist > association of black skinned persons in urban centres, particularly the > Bronx. It may be useful at this point to note that Bambaataa's namesake > itself is most likely a tipping of the hat to the Bambata insurgence in 1906 > against the British colonial rule of South Africa, easily attributed, by a > gloss, to the society, albeit segmented political system, of the extant > Zulu. The internal structure of Bambaataa's reinscription of nomenclature > thus highlights a fiction of agency that parallels the appropriation of > factual knowledge, an unconscious, or at best quasi-conscious, > de-semanticization of Afrocentric loan terms aimed at fostering a discourse > of racial empowerment and a subsequent deconstruction or reformulation of > the Eurocentric grammar. > > In perhaps simpler terms, the experience of hip hop (re)embodies the very > semantic drift that is tellingly symptomatic of syntactical uncertainty > grafted on to the language of popular culture (seen from the post-Hegelian > viewpoint, at least). While the tacit epistemological justification of > early hip hop remains a rich source of analysis, let us turn to, first, the > reduction-or progression, if you prefer-of hip hop from a socio-cultural > locus to a genre of art, and, second, to its co-optation and re-codification > in contemporary circles of electronic music production. The conceptual > re-casting thematized by hip hop over the last three decades parallels the > renunciation of praxis in other musical cultures, such as rock, blues, and > funk. Here it is useful to invoke DeMan's aesthetic ideology, which is > closely allied to the politics of the Other. Hip hop's heyday in the 1970s > was largely an underground sociocentric endeavor, unconcerned with the > transformation on to physical medium (cf., DeMan's coverage of cultural > aesthetics in a non-art setting) outside of a smattering of cassette > bootlegging. While the Sugarhill Gang were not the very first to codify rap > on the vinyl medium (they were narrowly beat to the punch by a Fatback > b-side and one other obscure recording by an outside impresario, both in the > summer of 1979), in September 1979 their enormously popular 12" "Rapper's > Delight" heralded a new ideological era of hip hop which eventually > marginalized the wholistic culture of hip hop promulgated by its founders. > The (re)formation of history as such is comparable with the delegitimization > of the enigmatic, the very raison-d'etre of the underground, as the > subculture's zeitgeist demonstrated its susceptibility to capitalistic > king-of-the-hillisms with a facility emblematic of the Heraclitean flux of > market forces. > > Here we see that hip hop is not so much a genre in the traditional Platonic > essentialistic sense, but rather a Wittgensteinian "family of resemblences" > amenable to co-optation by new progressivistic artists utilizing physical > media. Although hip hop's chief organizers of the 1970s, such as Kool Herc > (perhaps the original founder of the culture but by no stretch a theorist), > Grandmaster Flash ("the scientist of the mix," the forebear of hip hop's > modern penchant for instrumentals and turntablistic noodling), and their > confrere Bambaataa himself, originally denounced the vinylization of the > genre, all but Herc had jumped on the commercialistic bandwagon within the > first couple years of 1980s. The rhetoric of radical alterity, it followed, > submitted to an almost protean adaptation to the ephemeral marketplace > panopticism. The growing acculturation of white-skinned persons and > electronic producers working within the so-called "IDM" rubric represents > yet another fundamental rehashing of the conceptual nuclei of hip hop (in > the family-resemblance schema), refuting its Platonic essence in favor of a > more accomodationist schematization, reminiscent of the shift from > discophilia to discophobia among recorded rappers in the early 1980s, or of > the violent turnover from an underground orientation to a highly vocal > "moneymaking" esprit (although boast rap, often seen as a concomitant to > moneymaking, was elemental in the formative 1970s sphere). The viability of > such a transfer is predicated upon the notion of a shifting epistemological > bearing within a closed (albeit nebulous) genre delimitation. What's more, > the divisibility of exoticism opens a space for the invention of the > unspoken. The inception of narrative qua rap (that is, the culturally > motivated anecdotal utterances and illicit aphorizing of MCs) invested > itself in the representational validity of the marginal, but now accepted, > transmutability to the disc medium. The speaking of this societal image, > finally, instantiates the historicization of the autonomous selfhood of > cultural organization congruent with the incipient textuality of the musical > lyric. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-02-24 19:11Geoff StahlSadly, some of my students write like this.... Geoff (who's just following up on his first
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Sadly, some of my students write like this.... Geoff (who's just following up on his first plagiarism case....) _________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Ryan @ <i__oo__@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: [idm] Hip Hop -- _____________________________________________ Geoff Stahl Department of Art History and Communication Studies McGill University Home page: http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/gpc/crccii/gstahl.htm IASPM-Canada page: http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/gpc/iaspm/ Canadian Journal of Film Studies (Editorial Assistant): http://www.film.queensu.ca/fsac/cjfs.html CKUT 90.3 FM (Montreal) Wednesdays at Midnight (EST) for your aural pleasure. http://www.ckut.ca Night and the City Conference (March 15-18): http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/programs/ahcs/nightandthecity.htm Why should the fates of the groovy and the creepy be intertwined? - Valerie Solanas SCUM Manifesto ___________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-07-08 21:02Philip Sherburne>Now the question... can anyone recommend any more good hip hop along = >these lines? Some
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quoted 3 lines Now the question... can anyone recommend any more good hip hop along =>Now the question... can anyone recommend any more good hip hop along = >these lines? Something upbeat and not depressing (I get tired of = >"angry" hip hop) with good flow and rhymes...=20
RJD2 (Def Jux) -- although it's instrumental Five Deez (Counterflow) Fat Jon the Ample Soul Physician (Mush) -- again, instrumental 3582 - aka Fat Jon & J. Rawls anything on All Natural (www.allnaturalhiphop.com) IG Culture's old "Tings a Gwan" 2LP Dego's Tek9 project that's just a smattering... p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-07-08 21:37Record Campcheck out Sound-Ink records hip hop fused with IDM production- real lyricists- listening a
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check out Sound-Ink records hip hop fused with IDM production- real lyricists- listening and speaking- not just cut up statements -----Original Message----- From: Philip Sherburne [mailto:psherburne@jeevessolutions.com] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 5:02 PM To: 'idm@hyperreal.org' Subject: [idm] hip hop
quoted 3 lines Now the question... can anyone recommend any more good hip hop along =>Now the question... can anyone recommend any more good hip hop along = >these lines? Something upbeat and not depressing (I get tired of = >"angry" hip hop) with good flow and rhymes...=20
RJD2 (Def Jux) -- although it's instrumental Five Deez (Counterflow) Fat Jon the Ample Soul Physician (Mush) -- again, instrumental 3582 - aka Fat Jon & J. Rawls anything on All Natural (www.allnaturalhiphop.com) IG Culture's old "Tings a Gwan" 2LP Dego's Tek9 project that's just a smattering... p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-07-09 01:58Nick RogersonCLOUDDEAD!!!! on 7/8/02 2:02 PM, Philip Sherburne at psherburne@jeevessolutions.com wrote:
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CLOUDDEAD!!!! on 7/8/02 2:02 PM, Philip Sherburne at psherburne@jeevessolutions.com wrote:
quoted 20 lines Now the question... can anyone recommend any more good hip hop along =>> Now the question... can anyone recommend any more good hip hop along = >> these lines? Something upbeat and not depressing (I get tired of = >> "angry" hip hop) with good flow and rhymes...=20 > > RJD2 (Def Jux) -- although it's instrumental > Five Deez (Counterflow) > Fat Jon the Ample Soul Physician (Mush) -- again, instrumental > 3582 - aka Fat Jon & J. Rawls > anything on All Natural (www.allnaturalhiphop.com) > IG Culture's old "Tings a Gwan" 2LP > Dego's Tek9 project > > that's just a smattering... > p > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-07-08 21:42david boruffmy two cents - anti pop consortium anything from anticon records (especially deep puddle d
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my two cents - anti pop consortium anything from anticon records (especially deep puddle dynamics) enimina goodsong (sp?) (saw these guys with antipop in atl, and they were so fucking good. made me smile.) anything from definitive jux... boom bip peace. d. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Record Camp" <lists@activaire.com> To: "Philip Sherburne" <psherburne@jeevessolutions.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: RE: [idm] hip hop
quoted 40 lines check out Sound-Ink records> check out Sound-Ink records > > hip hop fused with IDM production- > real lyricists- > listening and speaking- > not just cut up statements > > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip Sherburne [mailto:psherburne@jeevessolutions.com] > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 5:02 PM > To: 'idm@hyperreal.org' > Subject: [idm] hip hop > > > >Now the question... can anyone recommend any more good hip hop along = > >these lines? Something upbeat and not depressing (I get tired of = > >"angry" hip hop) with good flow and rhymes...=20 > > RJD2 (Def Jux) -- although it's instrumental > Five Deez (Counterflow) > Fat Jon the Ample Soul Physician (Mush) -- again, instrumental > 3582 - aka Fat Jon & J. Rawls > anything on All Natural (www.allnaturalhiphop.com) > IG Culture's old "Tings a Gwan" 2LP > Dego's Tek9 project > > that's just a smattering... > p > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-07-08 22:54MxyzptlkSomeone already mentioned Handsome Boy Modeling School; picking up on that, I'd recommend
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Someone already mentioned Handsome Boy Modeling School; picking up on that, I'd recommend anyplace where Dan the Automator's fingers are found. Ditto for Prince Paul (De La Soul). You can't go wrong digging up the old Dream Warriors, A Tribe Called Quest or Digable Planets stuff, imo. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-07-08 22:09Thomas Millaron 7/8/02 6:54 PM, Mxyzptlk at jpklein@telocity.com wrote: > Someone already mentioned Han
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quoted 5 lines Someone already mentioned Handsome Boy Modeling School; picking up on that,> Someone already mentioned Handsome Boy Modeling School; picking up on that, > I'd recommend anyplace where Dan the Automator's fingers are found. Ditto > for Prince Paul (De La Soul). You can't go wrong digging up the old Dream > Warriors, A Tribe Called Quest or Digable Planets stuff, imo. > jeff
Desert Island HH = ATCQ's The Love Movement and the anthology with the OG 'Scenario' on it. The first time I ever heard Busta, and I was enthralled. 'Chockity Chunko, the Chocolate Chicken' etc. Though I hear the new Nelly record is tizight. Something about naked bitches. Hooty hoo. Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-07-09 06:00albert loo>You can't go wrong digging up the old Dream Warriors, A Tribe Called Quest >or Digable Pl
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quoted 2 lines You can't go wrong digging up the old Dream Warriors, A Tribe Called Quest>You can't go wrong digging up the old Dream Warriors, A Tribe Called Quest >or Digable Planets stuff
yeah, on that tip, pete rock & cl smooth's 'return to the mecca', and 'the main ingredient' are worth checking out too. as for newer stuff i'd also recommend zion i's first, 'mind over matter' (haven't heard the new one yet), mos def, and black star. i dig the anticon and def jux stuff too but not sure if they really jive with blackalicious' sound. albert
quoted 30 lines From: Thomas Millar <tmillar@comcast.net>>From: Thomas Millar <tmillar@comcast.net> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] hip hop >Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:09:58 -0400 > >on 7/8/02 6:54 PM, Mxyzptlk at jpklein@telocity.com wrote: > > > Someone already mentioned Handsome Boy Modeling School; picking up on >that, > > I'd recommend anyplace where Dan the Automator's fingers are found. >Ditto > > for Prince Paul (De La Soul). You can't go wrong digging up the old >Dream > > Warriors, A Tribe Called Quest or Digable Planets stuff, imo. > > jeff > >Desert Island HH = ATCQ's The Love Movement and the anthology with the OG >'Scenario' on it. The first time I ever heard Busta, and I was enthralled. >'Chockity Chunko, the Chocolate Chicken' etc. > >Though I hear the new Nelly record is tizight. Something about naked >bitches. Hooty hoo. > >Tom > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-07-09 07:08Brad Mitchelli wanted to throw in that J-Live's new album "All Of The Above" is otherworldly. also the
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i wanted to throw in that J-Live's new album "All Of The Above" is otherworldly. also the new Mr. Lif EP "Emergency Rations" is pretty good as well. and, as everyone has already said, the new blackalicious LP is the album of the summer..bling bling. brad :: kikapu net.label - http://www.kikapu.com :: :: artificial intelligence radio - http://www.kikapu.com/brad :: ----- Original Message ----- From: "albert loo" <foosfoos@hotmail.com> To: <tmillar@comcast.net>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [idm] hip hop
quoted 1 line You can't go wrong digging up the old Dream Warriors, A Tribe Called> >You can't go wrong digging up the old Dream Warriors, A Tribe Called
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quoted 7 lines or Digable Planets stuff> >or Digable Planets stuff > > yeah, on that tip, pete rock & cl smooth's 'return to the mecca', and 'the > main ingredient' are worth checking out too. > > as for newer stuff i'd also recommend zion i's first, 'mind over matter' > (haven't heard the new one yet), mos def, and black star. i dig the
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quoted 24 lines and def jux stuff too but not sure if they really jive with blackalicious'> and def jux stuff too but not sure if they really jive with blackalicious' > sound. > > albert > > > >From: Thomas Millar <tmillar@comcast.net> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] hip hop > >Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:09:58 -0400 > > > >on 7/8/02 6:54 PM, Mxyzptlk at jpklein@telocity.com wrote: > > > > > Someone already mentioned Handsome Boy Modeling School; picking up on > >that, > > > I'd recommend anyplace where Dan the Automator's fingers are found. > >Ditto > > > for Prince Paul (De La Soul). You can't go wrong digging up the old > >Dream > > > Warriors, A Tribe Called Quest or Digable Planets stuff, imo. > > > jeff > > > >Desert Island HH = ATCQ's The Love Movement and the anthology with the OG > >'Scenario' on it. The first time I ever heard Busta, and I was
enthralled.
quoted 26 lines 'Chockity Chunko, the Chocolate Chicken' etc.> >'Chockity Chunko, the Chocolate Chicken' etc. > > > >Though I hear the new Nelly record is tizight. Something about naked > >bitches. Hooty hoo. > > > >Tom > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-07-09 09:38jean paul l'asthmeman, this rjd2 album is fucking incredible. hits me the way endtroducing did where you wan
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man, this rjd2 album is fucking incredible. hits me the way endtroducing did where you want to call friends and have them share it with you because it's so good. this is the best music, flat out, i've heard for a while. although... between asa-chang, mum, and super_collider these last two months have been good to my sensibilities... gregory __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-07-09 08:28matt salcidoi want to second zion i and also add saul williams and THEM (anticon). personally i didnt
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i want to second zion i and also add saul williams and THEM (anticon). personally i didnt like clouddead musically but i really liked where they were going with it. also you might want to check atmosphere, blackalicious, sensational, aceyalone, freestyle fellowship, and cannibal ox. matt ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://www.humboldt.edu/~mds40 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
quoted 61 lines From: "albert loo" <foosfoos@hotmail.com>>From: "albert loo" <foosfoos@hotmail.com> >To: tmillar@comcast.net, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] hip hop >Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 01:00:04 -0500 > >>You can't go wrong digging up the old Dream Warriors, A Tribe Called Quest >>or Digable Planets stuff > >yeah, on that tip, pete rock & cl smooth's 'return to the mecca', and 'the >main ingredient' are worth checking out too. > >as for newer stuff i'd also recommend zion i's first, 'mind over matter' >(haven't heard the new one yet), mos def, and black star. i dig the anticon >and def jux stuff too but not sure if they really jive with blackalicious' >sound. > >albert > > >>From: Thomas Millar <tmillar@comcast.net> >>To: idm@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: [idm] hip hop >>Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:09:58 -0400 >> >>on 7/8/02 6:54 PM, Mxyzptlk at jpklein@telocity.com wrote: >> >> > Someone already mentioned Handsome Boy Modeling School; picking up on >>that, >> > I'd recommend anyplace where Dan the Automator's fingers are found. >>Ditto >> > for Prince Paul (De La Soul). You can't go wrong digging up the old >>Dream >> > Warriors, A Tribe Called Quest or Digable Planets stuff, imo. >> > jeff >> >>Desert Island HH = ATCQ's The Love Movement and the anthology with the OG >>'Scenario' on it. The first time I ever heard Busta, and I was enthralled. >>'Chockity Chunko, the Chocolate Chicken' etc. >> >>Though I hear the new Nelly record is tizight. Something about naked >>bitches. Hooty hoo. >> >>Tom >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-07-09 10:25Paul WebbCheck out Mark Pritchard's Harmonic 33 12" on his Alphabet Zoo label... and my favourite h
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Check out Mark Pritchard's Harmonic 33 12" on his Alphabet Zoo label... and my favourite hip hop album of last year, N*E*R*D "In Search of..." .. .. .. .. .. . . .. . . . paul webb____designer____http://www.digitlondon.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-07-09 21:31production unitI was surprised to see that nobody mentioned 'Primitive Plus' by Edan on Lewis recordings
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I was surprised to see that nobody mentioned 'Primitive Plus' by Edan on Lewis recordings (but then again I'm on the digest so somebody probably has by now). This album manages to be fresh-sounding while still having a strong old-school vibe a la Eric B & Rakim and vintage Pete Rock. The production is pretty innovative and the rhyming is superb. 'Mic Manipulator' from it is quite the jolliest piece of music I've heard in years, and 'Key-Bored' is 'Rondo Alla Turca' on 45 over a dusty loop, but even better than it sounds. There's also a big distorted 'My Melody' soundalike featuring Mr Lif which rocks too. The whole 'Stone's Throw' label (run by Peanut Butter Wolf) is really strong as well, in particular the Quasimoto album, which is Madlib on Helium (no, literally). Their sound is along the 'old jazz loops and dirty beats' lines, and the rhyming really comes across well. A word of warning, though - try before you buy with this one, as his voice might grate on you. I likes it all the same. All the songs are really short, which makes it a lot more palatable than most hip hop full-lengths. And I couldn't post about hip hop without giving a prop to the Divine Styler album from 2000-ish on Mo' Wax, called 'Word power 2: Directrix'. It's not cheery or 'up' or anything like the original post asked about, but it's still one of the best hip hop albums from the past 5 years imho. Really futuristic sounding, with production unlike most other hip hop I've heard before or since, and really great use of the voice as an instrument (intelligent effects and so forth). And 'Fantastic Damage' by El-P is likewise doom-laden and grimy, but one of the best records of any genre I've heard in a very, very long time. Luvin' Papa D. The Marcia Blaine School for Girls: marciablaine.cjb.net available: s/t e.p. on Dalriada (Ideal) inclusion on Benbecula "Music Volume 2" (Baked Goods) The Marcia Blaine School Disco Vol. 1 (ramshackle CDR mix album) forthcoming: inclusion on Law & Auder "I Am:Bient" inclusion on Struktur compilation stuff on Stuff records _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-07-10 18:51Rabea R. Chaudharylike blackalicious? i dunno. i like blackalicious. the quannum crew is just something else
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like blackalicious? i dunno. i like blackalicious. the quannum crew is just something else. i also like, and didn't see mentioned in the digest i didn't delete, aceyalone and the freestyle fellowship...and black star. _the unbound project_ from a few years back is a wonderful album. hope those aren't too well-known or old for your tastes; for me they've withstood the test of time... Rabea --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org