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2001-02-13 15:18Jesse McCoppin RE: [idm] re: napster
2001-02-13 15:35unlyrn Re: [idm] re: napster
└─ 2001-02-14 02:02interdit Re: [idm] re: napster / Mozart & copyright
2001-02-14 16:43Ian Pojman [idm] re: napster / Mozart & copyright
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2001-02-13 15:18Jesse McCoppinHere here! I would have never even gotten into electronica AT ALL if it werent for MP3. Th
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Jesse McCoppin
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'TekDz9ER@aol.com'
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Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:18:22 -0700
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RE: [idm] re: napster
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Here here! I would have never even gotten into electronica AT ALL if it werent for MP3. The first MP3 I downloaded was and Aphex Twin track, and after that I went and bought every release available. I do download tracks that are out of print, which I think is just as fair as some asshole at a record label saying, "Hey, wouldn't it be funny if we only made 500 copies of this album? That way no one will be able to listen to it!". To that I say, more power to you. Ya could have made more money if you'd made 50,000 instead of 500. Instead, they give me no choice but to get it for free, when I probably would have been happy to purchase it. To bring up a recent topic, we were talking about how lots of people here only like one or 2 aphex twin songs. If this is the case, who would be dumb enough to spend $13-20 on a CD when it only has 6 tracks to begin with, and only one or two MIGHT be good? No wonder people use napster, they just want the good song, not the other crappy 5. In all realism, it is up to the label, RIAA, artist, etc to make the first gesture of peace. Maybe at first you will lose some money if you sell music at a reasonable price, because people will still be getting MP3's instead of buying, but soon that trend will die, and people will buy the real copy again. It's also up to the artist to make the CD WORTH it. Put 10-15 tracks on, make them all worth listening to, and quit thinking your time is sooooo valuable that you have to make millions instead of hundreds of thousands. Any person who has a head on their shoulders should be able to live just as well with half a million dollars a year as they could with 10 mil a year. How greedy do you have to be? What happened to making music for the sake of making music? It's all about the $$ now. Did Mozart charge $40 for people to hear his music? I think not. I believe that an artist should be fairly compensated for his work, but not overcompensated to the point that one minute he's living in a 400 sq. ft. apartment and the next he's giving spare change to Bill Gates. MP3 can help the industry if the industry would allow it to.
quoted 49 lines ----------> ---------- > From: TekDz9ER@aol.com > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 7:10 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] re: napster > > Them sounds like fightin' words ta me. But I won't start a fight. I just > > want to say that without Napster, I would never have been able to > experience > some of the great music in our scene. There are so many artists nowadays, > > some good some bad, lots of conflicting opinions on this list. I'm > grateful > that I've been able to find out for myself without having shelled out > hundreds of dollars on crap. Although I sympathize with artists and > labels > who truly believe that they've lost substantial amounts of profit due to > Napster, my truth is that if I discover something that I believe to be a > winner, I'll go out and buy the real thing. So no money lost there. And > it's a great way to stock up on classic and deleted records that one would > > never be able to purchase at any retail music store again. Life sucks > now. > And to all up and coming idm/electronic artists: I'm awfully sorry, but I > > just can't afford to buy all of your music. > > TekDz9er > > <Thank God Napster took another kicking...fuck off and die you > thieves...if > > tossers like napster wasn't bootlegging artists work, maybe more people > > could concentrate on content rather than spending most of their time doing > > crap work to pay the rent, while the corporates just get richer from their > > sweat. > > > Apollon> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-02-13 15:35unlyrn> have to be? What happened to making music for the sake of making music? > It's all about
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Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:35:48 +1300
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Re: [idm] re: napster
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quoted 3 lines have to be? What happened to making music for the sake of making music?> have to be? What happened to making music for the sake of making music? > It's all about the $$ now. Did Mozart charge $40 for people to hear his > music? I think not. I believe that an artist should be fairly
compensated Sorry, I really really wanted to avoid jumping in on another one of the (frequent) stupid threads that pop up here (not that you are stupid <flame protection>, but Napster?). Mozart wrote most of his life's music (including many of the 'great works') under contract from princes, dukes, and the like who wanted music for special occasions, or just something nice to listen to whilst sitting around in their chambers. $40? More like $400000. Of course, he's dead now (and for more than 50 years at that) so all the copyright stuff is invalid... and I bet you were wondering why he wasn't filing lawsuits against all those bad-ass pirate orchestras out there... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-14 02:02interdit--- unlyrn <xen@i4free.co.nz> wrote: > Mozart wrote most of his life's music (including >
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Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:02:13 -0800 (PST)
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Re: [idm] re: napster / Mozart & copyright
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--- unlyrn <xen@i4free.co.nz> wrote:
quoted 7 lines Mozart wrote most of his life's music (including> Mozart wrote most of his life's music (including > many of the 'great works') under contract from princes, dukes, and the like > who wanted music for special occasions, or just something nice to listen to > whilst sitting around in their chambers. $40? More like $400000. Of course, > he's dead now (and for more than 50 years at that) so all the copyright > stuff is invalid... and I bet you were wondering why he wasn't filing > lawsuits against all those bad-ass pirate orchestras out there...
And *allegedly* he blew all that cash on whores n booze, just like all the quality idm musicians do today ;) *and* *allegedly* he made the most money off 'the magic flute' which the "snobs" didn't like cos it was too low brow, what with faeiries and magical birds and shit... though in Germany the Opera was/is oft considered the music of the working/agrarian class and they were frequently the biggest audiences, Opera became snobbier when royalty ceased gravy-training those "worthless sod musicians and orchestras.... apparently ;) -i __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-14 16:43Ian Pojmanbach got paid an equivalent of 10 cents a piece for the brandenburg concertos just another
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Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:43:05 -0600
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[idm] re: napster / Mozart & copyright
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bach got paid an equivalent of 10 cents a piece for the brandenburg concertos just another thing that supports the idea that money value cannot be attached to music. AND: how is napster really any different than me leeching off my friends collections? I hate to see this thread continue, really. there should be an idm-philosophy@hyperreal.org for all you bastards :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org