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2001-01-27 23:59Kevin Ryan @ [idm] Re: dsp (etc.)
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2001-01-27 23:59Kevin Ryan @<<its a way to explore new sounds. and that is the essence of electronic music.>> I'm sure
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<<its a way to explore new sounds. and that is the essence of electronic music.>> I'm sure many producers agree with that, but here's one who doesn't: "Remember, I didn't turn to the electronic medium for 'new sounds.' Nothing gets as old quickly as 'new sounds.' It wasn't for the superficial titillation of sounds. It was for, above all, music time, the way you can control time. There's such a difference between being able to produce a sound as a performer, being able to strike the keyboard, it's automatic. To produce a duration, it's totally different... Time has always created problems with contemporary music--that's why the music wasn't performed and when it was performed, it was done sloppily." -Milton Babbitt, on his 1963 electronic piece Philomel I for one really prefer accessible melodic content over incoherent weird noises, but that is just a personal preference. I have problems with experimental music, but maybe in a few years my taste will have evolved to a point where I can appreciate DSP fuckery and contemporary academic music to a greater extent. But understand I'm the kind of guy who listens to Weezer too much and fails at sports. This music stuff is killing me. I keep spending so much money yet I always feel like I have nothing. I look at those little glowing names on my screen and I just need to buy them. And then when I do buy them I don't even listen to them. I mean, I do eventually, but it takes me weeks if not years to get into an album. I have to listen to something like two dozen times before I can even start to like it or feel like I have a handle on it. I don't know how most people just have this ability to dive right in and have it all figured out with one or two listens. And I have this problem with getting into the first few songs on an album before the rest and then sometimes I don't even get around to listening to the end of the album. And this is what I hate most: It takes me forever to get myself to like something, and then the second I like it I just keep listening to it over and over until I'm sick of it. Then I need to go out and buy more; I never really appreciate the original song as much after I use it up. It's like a drug habit. But I got an MD player now so I rip full albums straight off of Napster on to minidiscs. I feel kind of bad about it but it's helping me deal with my cravings. For example, a can get Top 40 hits I really like without having to buy all those CDs. Like I'll get Britney Spears' "Crazy" or Will Smith's "Miami" and then listen to it about ten times, really rocking out, but after that I'll have it out of my system for good. Why are you still reading this? I'm rambling. Get on with your life. Um, Autechre Vietrmx21. That's been my favorite. But I consider LP5 the crux of my whole collection, whatever that means. And goddamn that new While album is kicking my ass. ---------- <<Wait till the replicator is invented.....oh man, that would make the internet "revolution" look like a WTO protest rally.>> Actually, the replicator has already been invented, it just won't be released to the public for another year or two. The invention goes by the code-name "Ginger." You heard it here first. ---------- Oh, and where I found that other quote I stumbled across this which kind of clears up a thread from a couple months ago: "John Cage gave the first stage performance of a work using variable- speed turntables and frequency recordings (Imaginary Landscape, 1938)." -Francois Bayle Also, I attributed the invention of the scratch to Grandwizard Theodore, but Grandmaster Flash really deserves credit. Flash came up with the concept first (and just about any other hip hop turntablistic technique you can think of), but Theodore was first to execute it effectively. Kevin np: Optiganally Yours "Exclusively Talentmaker" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-30 17:46R. LimOn Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Kevin Ryan @ wrote: > <<its a way to explore new sounds. > and that i
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Kevin Ryan @ wrote:
quoted 11 lines <<its a way to explore new sounds.> <<its a way to explore new sounds. > and that is the essence of electronic music.>> > > I'm sure many producers agree with that, but here's one who doesn't: > > "Remember, I didn't turn to the electronic medium for 'new sounds.' > Nothing gets as old quickly as 'new sounds.' It wasn't for the > superficial titillation of sounds. It was for, above all, music time, the > way you can control time. There's such a difference between being > [...] > -Milton Babbitt, on his 1963 electronic piece Philomel
This is a pretty common attitude among academic composers who turned to electronic music because they believed that it would be the ultimate medium for the expression of the ideals in 12 tone music (or even n-tone music, as in Easley Blackwood's LP of etudes in different tuning intervals). I personally think these guys missed the boat in a big way and one ought not necessarily take everything they said too seriously (c.f. the Stockhausen interview link posted here recently), but then again I also think that most of the Columbia/Princeton stuff is useful only for insomniacs. -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org