blah, I'm right ;) I was familiae with the 12-tone scale's use. Tehre are
loops, the same damned 12 tones are used... thats loopy enough for me
nobody said loops were exact repetitoin and theyre not
thanks for the info though! i learned a few things from that :)
quoted 39 lines Clarification is necessary here.
> Clarification is necessary here.
>
> You are kind of right, but mostly incorrect. 12 tone composition does not
> simply connote repetition of the same 12 notes over and over again in the
> same order (which, I'm assuming you knew that the ORDER of the notes was
> important). It is/was created by taking the "row" of 12 tones in a
> particular order, and creating what is called a matrix from these 12 tones.
> the tones are written from left to right, and its inversion is written top
> to bottom, both starting with the same note, and similar inversions are
> built downward off of each note to make a grid of notes (it's actually a bit
> more in depth, but let's go to bed at a decent hour, eh?). Now, If you've
> ever heard Schoenberg's music, you would see that he very rarely repeats the
> row in its pure form. He will almost always use one of the 11 inversions,
> 12 retrograde, or 12 retrograde inversions of the row. So, as you can see,
> it isn't really a loop because it still almost never reappears in it's
> original form, unless it is a melodic recapitulation of the theme. Also
> crucial to Schoenberg's compositional process is the concept of developing
> variation (which he did INNOVATE, you whining innovation player-haters out
> there), which involves introducing an idea (maybe a loop, in the music we
> love today) and then repeating an altered version of the same thing. So,
> basically, Schoenberg NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER really repeats full on. Oh,
> maybe only once or twice in his whole career (don't hold me to that number).
>
> If you want to check out his most rigid 12 tone work, it would be his first,
> opus 25 (i think that's the number) for piano. It is still pretty loose
> with the formula, though, and as he got older, he just fucked with serialism
> until nobody could keep up with him! His music is amazing!
>
> Here's something for you all to fight like children about: FACT: Music
> historians and professors the world over (myself included) believe Bach and
> Schoenberg to be the two most important composers of music in the history of
> humankind, as the father of tonal music and the father of pantonal music (or
> atonal, if you like).
>
> FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!!!
>
> Actually, please do not fight! learn from one another!
>
> petey