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2000-12-07 01:11Jimenez, EnriqueNick Zavriev wrote: "Senor Coconut Atom Heart's latino-style project. The latest album is

From:: Jimenez, Enrique <EJimenez@Hasbro.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:11:37 -0500
Subject:: [idm] funny? ... how am I funny? ... like a clown? .. do I amuse you?

Nick Zavriev wrote: "Senor Coconut Atom Heart's latino-style project. The latest album is a tribute to kraftwerk: full of mambo, samba, cha-cha-cha etc. covers of classic Kraftwerk songs. No IDM at all, but very nice and funny." and I say: One of the problems Atom Heart had with Kraftwerk, upon the release of "El Baile Aleman" in the US and EU was that Kraftwerk felt that the version of "Radioactivity", which is included in the Japanese version, was TOO FUNNY. This infuriated Atom Heart, because he felt that Kraftwerk took this snobby attitude of judging latin american music as being funny. So how can music from another culture, Atom felt, be considered as funny, when the music is actually positive, exotic maybe, warm and definetly "alegre" (happy), but never funny in the ha ha ha kind of way. Atom Heart thought that it would be ridiculous to sue them on the grounds of this first world super group denying permission for a latin band from the third world to cover one of their songs because Ralf and Florian think that latin american music is funny. Totally ridiculous. Of course Kraftwerk denied permission to release this track to the rest of the world and poor Atom had to agree to this, otherwise these fine album might have never been released. Of course, it makes sense now, they are the robots!!!!. Its like me, a latinamerican from Tijuana, saying that Autechre music is funny because the beat skips or that some Oval sounds like a damaged CD: "Ha ha ha, the CD sounds like its damaged, its hilarious ... ha ha ha, I cant help but laugh ... oh god please make it stop ... its so funny ... that clicky sound ... ha ha ha" saludos, ejival --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-12-07 01:45componentWhich is rather ironic, because most of the Kraftwerk's lyrics are a completly silly. Disc

From:: component <component@mindstorm.com>
To:: Jimenez, Enrique <EJimenez@Hasbro.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:45:58 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] funny? ... how am I funny? ... like a clown? .. do I amuse you?

Which is rather ironic, because most of the Kraftwerk's lyrics are a completly silly. Disclaimer: I'm a huge Kraftwerk fan, not someone starting a flame. Rob www.componentrecords.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimenez, Enrique <EJimenez@Hasbro.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:11 PM Subject: [idm] funny? ... how am I funny? ... like a clown? .. do I amuse you?

quoted 40 lines Nick Zavriev wrote:

> Nick Zavriev wrote: > > "Senor Coconut > Atom Heart's latino-style project. The latest album is a tribute to > kraftwerk: full of mambo, samba, > cha-cha-cha etc. covers of classic Kraftwerk songs. No IDM at all, but very > nice and funny." > > and I say: > > One of the problems Atom Heart had with Kraftwerk, upon the release of "El > Baile Aleman" in the US and EU was that Kraftwerk felt that the version of > "Radioactivity", which is included in the Japanese version, was TOO FUNNY. > This infuriated Atom Heart, because he felt that Kraftwerk took this snobby > attitude of judging latin american music as being funny. So how can music > from another culture, Atom felt, be considered as funny, when the music is > actually positive, exotic maybe, warm and definetly "alegre" (happy), but > never funny in the ha ha ha kind of way. Atom Heart thought that it would > be ridiculous to sue them on the grounds of this first world super group > denying permission for a latin band from the third world to cover one of > their songs because Ralf and Florian think that latin american music is > funny. Totally ridiculous. Of course Kraftwerk denied permission to release > this track to the rest of the world and poor Atom had to agree to this, > otherwise these fine album might have never been released. Of course, it > makes sense now, they are the robots!!!!. > > Its like me, a latinamerican from Tijuana, saying that Autechre music is > funny because the beat skips or that some Oval sounds like a damaged CD: > "Ha ha ha, the CD sounds like its damaged, its hilarious ... ha ha ha, I > cant help but laugh ... oh god please make it stop ... its so funny ... that > clicky sound ... ha ha ha" > > saludos, > > ejival > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2000-12-07 02:48interditThe real irony is that Kraftwerk themselves are also quite "funny" -also a fan [of both pa

From:: interdit <interdit@yahoo.com>
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Date:: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:48:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] funny? ... how am I funny? ... like a clown? .. do I amuse you?

The real irony is that Kraftwerk themselves are also quite "funny" -also a fan [of both parties] --- component <component@mindstorm.com> wrote:

quoted 64 lines Which is rather ironic, because most of the Kraftwerk's lyrics are a

> Which is rather ironic, because most of the Kraftwerk's lyrics are a > completly silly. > > Disclaimer: I'm a huge Kraftwerk fan, not someone starting a flame. > > Rob > www.componentrecords.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jimenez, Enrique <EJimenez@Hasbro.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:11 PM > Subject: [idm] funny? ... how am I funny? ... like a clown? .. do I amuse > you? > > > > Nick Zavriev wrote: > > > > "Senor Coconut > > Atom Heart's latino-style project. The latest album is a tribute to > > kraftwerk: full of mambo, samba, > > cha-cha-cha etc. covers of classic Kraftwerk songs. No IDM at all, but very > > nice and funny." > > > > and I say: > > > > One of the problems Atom Heart had with Kraftwerk, upon the release of "El > > Baile Aleman" in the US and EU was that Kraftwerk felt that the version of > > "Radioactivity", which is included in the Japanese version, was TOO FUNNY. > > This infuriated Atom Heart, because he felt that Kraftwerk took this snobby > > attitude of judging latin american music as being funny. So how can music > > from another culture, Atom felt, be considered as funny, when the music is > > actually positive, exotic maybe, warm and definetly "alegre" (happy), but > > never funny in the ha ha ha kind of way. Atom Heart thought that it would > > be ridiculous to sue them on the grounds of this first world super group > > denying permission for a latin band from the third world to cover one of > > their songs because Ralf and Florian think that latin american music is > > funny. Totally ridiculous. Of course Kraftwerk denied permission to > release > > this track to the rest of the world and poor Atom had to agree to this, > > otherwise these fine album might have never been released. Of course, it > > makes sense now, they are the robots!!!!. > > > > Its like me, a latinamerican from Tijuana, saying that Autechre music is > > funny because the beat skips or that some Oval sounds like a damaged CD: > > "Ha ha ha, the CD sounds like its damaged, its hilarious ... ha ha ha, I > > cant help but laugh ... oh god please make it stop ... its so funny ... > that > > clicky sound ... ha ha ha" > > > > saludos, > > > > ejival > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2000-12-07 02:52Pier G Antolininice tidbit of info there, A.H. does look like somebody who could get nervous 'bout things

From:: Pier G Antolini <antolini@worldnet.att.net>
To:: component <component@mindstorm.com>, Jimenez, Enrique <EJimenez@Hasbro.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:52:17 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] funny? ... how am I funny? ... like a clown? .. do I amuse you?

nice tidbit of info there, A.H. does look like somebody who could get nervous 'bout things, But Funny and well laughed ejival! ----------

quoted 3 lines From: component <component@mindstorm.com>

> From: component <component@mindstorm.com> > To: Jimenez, Enrique <EJimenez@Hasbro.com>; idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] funny? ... how am I funny? ... like a clown? .. do I

amuse you?

quoted 3 lines Date: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:45 PM

> Date: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:45 PM > > Which is rather ironic, because most of the Kraftwerk's lyrics are a

completly silly.

quoted 11 lines Disclaimer: I'm a huge Kraftwerk fan, not someone starting a flame.

> > Disclaimer: I'm a huge Kraftwerk fan, not someone starting a flame. > > Rob > www.componentrecords.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jimenez, Enrique <EJimenez@Hasbro.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:11 PM > Subject: [idm] funny? ... how am I funny? ... like a clown? .. do I amuse

you?

quoted 8 lines Nick Zavriev wrote:

> > > > Nick Zavriev wrote: > > > > "Senor Coconut > > Atom Heart's latino-style project. The latest album is a tribute to > > kraftwerk: full of mambo, samba, > > cha-cha-cha etc. covers of classic Kraftwerk songs. No IDM at all, but

very

quoted 5 lines nice and funny."

> > nice and funny." > > > > and I say: > > > > One of the problems Atom Heart had with Kraftwerk, upon the release of

"El

quoted 1 line Baile Aleman" in the US and EU was that Kraftwerk felt that the version

> > Baile Aleman" in the US and EU was that Kraftwerk felt that the version

quoted 1 line "Radioactivity", which is included in the Japanese version, was TOO

> > "Radioactivity", which is included in the Japanese version, was TOO

FUNNY.

quoted 1 line This infuriated Atom Heart, because he felt that Kraftwerk took this

> > This infuriated Atom Heart, because he felt that Kraftwerk took this

snobby

quoted 1 line attitude of judging latin american music as being funny. So how can

> > attitude of judging latin american music as being funny. So how can

music

quoted 1 line from another culture, Atom felt, be considered as funny, when the music

> > from another culture, Atom felt, be considered as funny, when the music

quoted 1 line actually positive, exotic maybe, warm and definetly "alegre" (happy),

> > actually positive, exotic maybe, warm and definetly "alegre" (happy),

but

quoted 1 line never funny in the ha ha ha kind of way. Atom Heart thought that it

> > never funny in the ha ha ha kind of way. Atom Heart thought that it

would

quoted 1 line be ridiculous to sue them on the grounds of this first world super

> > be ridiculous to sue them on the grounds of this first world super

group

quoted 1 line denying permission for a latin band from the third world to cover one

> > denying permission for a latin band from the third world to cover one

quoted 2 lines their songs because Ralf and Florian think that latin american music is

> > their songs because Ralf and Florian think that latin american music is > > funny. Totally ridiculous. Of course Kraftwerk denied permission to

release

quoted 2 lines this track to the rest of the world and poor Atom had to agree to this,

> > this track to the rest of the world and poor Atom had to agree to this, > > otherwise these fine album might have never been released. Of course,

quoted 3 lines makes sense now, they are the robots!!!!.

> > makes sense now, they are the robots!!!!. > > > > Its like me, a latinamerican from Tijuana, saying that Autechre music

quoted 1 line funny because the beat skips or that some Oval sounds like a damaged

> > funny because the beat skips or that some Oval sounds like a damaged

CD:

quoted 1 line "Ha ha ha, the CD sounds like its damaged, its hilarious ... ha ha ha,

> > "Ha ha ha, the CD sounds like its damaged, its hilarious ... ha ha ha,

quoted 1 line cant help but laugh ... oh god please make it stop ... its so funny ...

> > cant help but laugh ... oh god please make it stop ... its so funny ...

that

quoted 15 lines clicky sound ... ha ha ha"

> > clicky sound ... ha ha ha" > > > > saludos, > > > > ejival > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-12-07 20:20Mark Kolmar>>> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:11:37 -0500 From: "Jimenez, Enrique" <EJimenez@Hasbro.com> Su

From:: Mark Kolmar <mark@burningrome.com>
To:: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:20:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject:: [idm] re: funny? ... how am I funny? ... like a clown? .. do I amuse you?

quoted 1 line

>>>

Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:11:37 -0500 From: "Jimenez, Enrique" <EJimenez@Hasbro.com> Subject: funny? ... how am I funny? ... like a clown? .. do I amuse you? [...] One of the problems Atom Heart had with Kraftwerk, upon the release of "El Baile Aleman" in the US and EU was that Kraftwerk felt that the version of "Radioactivity", which is included in the Japanese version, was TOO FUNNY. This infuriated Atom Heart, because he felt that Kraftwerk took this snobby attitude of judging latin american music as being funny. So how can music from another culture, Atom felt, be considered as funny, when the music is actually positive, exotic maybe, warm and definetly "alegre" (happy), but never funny in the ha ha ha kind of way. Atom Heart thought that it would be ridiculous to sue them on the grounds of this first world super group denying permission for a latin band from the third world to cover one of their songs because Ralf and Florian think that latin american music is funny. Totally ridiculous. Of course Kraftwerk denied permission to release this track to the rest of the world and poor Atom had to agree to this, otherwise these fine album might have never been released. Of course, it makes sense now, they are the robots!!!!. <<< I discussed this issue with him. A major difference is that it was not a band from Venezuala who recorded the song, but a German artiist who resides in Chile. The motivation came from a different source. The marketing, distribution, and publicity have come through entirely different methods and channels, versus if the album had been recorded by a Latin band. It would have been more difficult to locate a Latin band, if the record were even known in Germany, and it would have been more difficult to take meaningful action against them. His version is parody in the strictest sense of the word. Apparently the track "Radioactivity" is a bit controversial on its own -- perhaps the sensitivity from Kraftwerk is due to the old controversy. --Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-12-08 07:00Kurt Hoffman> >His version is parody in the strictest sense of the word. Apparently the >track "Radioa

From:: Kurt Hoffman <supine@bway.net>
To:: Mark Kolmar <mark@burningrome.com>
Cc:: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 02:00:24 -0500
Subject:: [idm] re: funny? ... how am I funny? ... like a clown? .. do I amuse you?

quoted 4 lines His version is parody in the strictest sense of the word. Apparently the

> >His version is parody in the strictest sense of the word. Apparently the >track "Radioactivity" is a bit controversial on its own -- perhaps the >sensitivity from Kraftwerk is due to the old controversy.

really? do tell! (it's hard to imagine what could have been controversial about that droll little ditty) k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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