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On Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:32:36 GMT Matthew Burrows <matthew_burrows@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 2 lines or could it multiply that power as more people hear it, and dicover they

>or could it multiply that power as more people hear it, and dicover they >like it?

amen to that.

quoted 3 lines sounding a bit trotskyite, mate: maybe 'they' never find what they really

>sounding a bit trotskyite, mate: maybe 'they' never find what they really >want as all they hear is pop tat....could kid A be a door into happiness for >all as the shining light of IDM is revealed?

that would be more than happiness for me. finally sharing good music with people who haven't heard it before.

quoted 5 lines personally, i think a big part of the problem is 'i'm cool' agenda---i have

>personally, i think a big part of the problem is 'i'm cool' agenda---i have >a record no-one else has, let alone heard (but its on a cool label)therefore >i am better. selling millions of records is no sign of quality, but neither >is selling 100 copies of a ltd edition boards of canada double 7" (this does >exist)....

RIGHT ON RIGHT ON RIGHT ON. Nothing pisses me off more than "Oh, well, i've heard of this and you haven't, therefore I'm cool and you're not. Oh wait, you mean a few people know about this band? Yeah.. they suck." ... Atomly put it best when we were talking about it yesterday on #// We were talking about people who hoard music and feel that if only they know about it, then they're all elite and cool... so we were comparing it to the warez scene, in saying that the elite kids who transfer the 0 day warez are the ones who run around thinking they're all special because their warez are 0 day. He said, and I quote, "Records are not 0 day warez". That made my day. I just had to put it as the topic on the channel. I hate elitists. Bleh. Good music should be listened to by everyone. It's not who makes the music or how underground they are. It's about how good the music sounds and how the music makes you feel. If the music is good and it happens to move 50,000 people, then great. If i made a song and it moved even 50 people, i'd be happy. The more the merrier. It's not about the money, but the music itself. Radiohead is playing with fire - they could possibly alienate alot of their fans, but i'm sure that they'll be bringing in a new fan base, too. I love Kid A. I love OK Computer. I love the bends. Go radiohead. Michelle np: alec empire - bang your head --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Here's a reply to the message "Re: [idm] Kid A vs Us" written on 6 Oct 2000 13:48:26 -0000:

quoted 1 line RIGHT ON RIGHT ON RIGHT ON. Nothing pisses me off more than "Oh, well, i've hear

>RIGHT ON RIGHT ON RIGHT ON. Nothing pisses me off more than "Oh, well, i've heard of this and you haven't, therefore I'm cool and you're not. Oh wait, you mean a few people know about this band? Yeah.. they suck." ...

If there's one thing that annoys me, it's those people who hate Orbital simply because they've appeared on MTV. That's how the anti-Orbital argument always starts -- mention MTV first, as if some sort of commercial profile is indicative of a lack of artistic integrity, *THEN* get around to criticising their music (albeit in a unconvincing fashion). If Orbital ain't your cup of tea, then that's fine -- but don't pretend to hate them just because they're not as "underground" as other IDM artists you like. Besides, that whole "chart/MTV success = shite music" argument is totally blown out of the water (from a UK perspective anyway) when you consider all the IDM artists who have been in the Top 40 Singles chart. Back in the late 80s/early 90s, you couldn't keep Warp Records out of the UK Top 20! Sweet Exorcist, Tricky Disco, LFO, Nightmares on Wax. They all produced Top 20 hits, folks. Don't believe me? Get a Guiness reference book. A Guy Called Gerald, 808 State, Orbital, Future Sound of London/Stakker Humanoid, Bassomatic -- Top 20 hits. Aphex Twin? Top 20. Autechre? Basscadet got to 43 (or was it 53?) in the UK's national charts. Yes, indeed -- all chart music is shite.

quoted 3 lines Radiohead is playing with fire - they could possibly alienate alot

>Radiohead is playing with fire - they could possibly alienate alot >of their fans, but i'm sure that they'll be bringing in a new fan >base, too.

They alienated a lot of their fans with OK Computer too. Seems like quite a few people wanted them to rewrite Creep and Fake Plastic Trees every time.

quoted 2 lines I love Kid A. I love OK Computer. I love the bends.

>I love Kid A. I love OK Computer. I love the bends. >Go radiohead.

Indeed. I much prefer those artists that actually try something "a bit different" each time round. What's the point waiting two years for a studio album to arrive, only for it be 11 tracks/45 mins worth of exactly what they did last time round? (Hello, Oasis.) np: philip glass - "symphony no.3" -- Mark Stevens http://www.headspin.clara.net/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines Indeed. I much prefer those artists that actually try something "a bit

> Indeed. I much prefer those artists that actually try something "a bit > different" each time round. What's the point waiting two years for a > studio album to arrive, only for it be 11 tracks/45 mins worth of > exactly what they did last time round? (Hello, Oasis.)

Even to the point of re-using chord progressions / melodies. I'm all for recycling music (one man's garbage is another man's gold and all that), but come on... G-love. http://www.gram.org.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.176 / Virus Database: 85 - Release Date: 26/07/00 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I've always been a big fan of Orbital, but I'll tell you one thing that really annoyed me. Forget the whole MTV vs. underground thing. The pure fact that they recorded a track with overlaying vocals from Leonardo DiCaprio just made my stomach turn. I really wish they had thought harder before coming out with The Beach. Hopefully the forthcoming album will help redeem themselves. TekDz9er <If there's one thing that annoys me, it's those people who hate Orbital simply because they've appeared on MTV. That's how the anti-Orbital argument always starts -- mention MTV first, as if some sort of commercial profile is indicative of a lack of artistic integrity, *THEN* get around to criticising their music (albeit in a unconvincing fashion). If Orbital ain't your cup of tea, then that's fine -- but don't pretend to hate them just because they're not as "underground" as other IDM artists you like.> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Oribital are commercial pop electronica anyway.... Only "In Sides" was a really great album from them - anything else was just useless crap. Please note that I did not see them on MTV (I simply don't have such option in my country).I do not like them because they are making music for masses not for themselves in the first place.... Though in "In Sides" they've shown what they're really capable of... And then decided to switch to normal money making music. Alas, they lost it and never seem to find it until now. Certainly it is only my humble opinion...no offense Alien -----Original Message----- From: TekDz9ER@aol.com [mailto:TekDz9ER@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 7:40 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Re: Chart/MTV Success = Shite Music I've always been a big fan of Orbital, but I'll tell you one thing that really annoyed me. Forget the whole MTV vs. underground thing. The pure fact that they recorded a track with overlaying vocals from Leonardo DiCaprio just made my stomach turn. I really wish they had thought harder before coming out with The Beach. Hopefully the forthcoming album will help redeem themselves. TekDz9er <If there's one thing that annoys me, it's those people who hate Orbital simply because they've appeared on MTV. That's how the anti-Orbital argument always starts -- mention MTV first, as if some sort of commercial profile is indicative of a lack of artistic integrity, *THEN* get around to criticising their music (albeit in a unconvincing fashion). If Orbital ain't your cup of tea, then that's fine -- but don't pretend to hate them just because they're not as "underground" as other IDM artists you like.> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines Only "In Sides" was a really great album from them - anything else was

> Only "In Sides" was a really great album from them - anything else was >just useless crap.

So the brown album was only a piss-take then? -paul peterson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Sorry I told that I've heard most of their stuff but I probably missed this one. 8))) Is it similar to In Sides? Alien -----Original Message----- From: Paul Peterson [mailto:paul@bartoli.org] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:31 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Re: Chart/MTV Success = Shite Music

quoted 2 lines Only "In Sides" was a really great album from them - anything else was

> Only "In Sides" was a really great album from them - anything else was >just useless crap.

So the brown album was only a piss-take then? -paul peterson --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I've found that most people I know really enjoy the brown album, Snivilization and In Sides. After that, it was all the same. No progression in sound design. It's kind of annoying when you can look at IDM posterboys like RDJ or the Ae lads and hear some serious changes in style. These Hartnolls seem to have sat on the same sample banks for quite a few years. Although I heard from someone, somewhere that their new album is in 5.1 surround sound. That might be interesting... Any truth to the story? -- -- jeremy axon www.objectools.com 243 college st. toronto, ontario, canada M5T 1R5 416.955.0856 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Its rather presuptious to assume that the music that they make is not the music that they enjoy and would want to make. I've loved most of Orbital's output and just because its dance doesn't necessaruly mean its pop crap. Rob component records www.mindstorm.com/component ----- Original Message ----- From: Konstantin Minko <ibss@ukrpack.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [idm] Re: Chart/MTV Success = Shite Music

quoted 47 lines Oribital are commercial pop electronica anyway.... Only "In Sides" was a

> Oribital are commercial pop electronica anyway.... Only "In Sides" was a > really great album from them - anything else was just useless crap. Please > note that I did not see them on MTV (I simply don't have such option in my > country).I do not like them because they are making music for masses not for > themselves in the first place.... Though in "In Sides" they've shown what > they're really capable of... And then decided to switch to normal money > making music. Alas, they lost it and never seem to find it until now. > > Certainly it is only my humble opinion...no offense > > Alien > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TekDz9ER@aol.com [mailto:TekDz9ER@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 7:40 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] Re: Chart/MTV Success = Shite Music > > > I've always been a big fan of Orbital, but I'll tell you one thing that > really annoyed me. Forget the whole MTV vs. underground thing. The pure > fact that they recorded a track with overlaying vocals from Leonardo > DiCaprio just made my stomach turn. I really wish they had thought harder > before coming out with The Beach. Hopefully the forthcoming album will help > redeem themselves. > > TekDz9er > > <If there's one thing that annoys me, it's those people who hate Orbital > simply because they've appeared on MTV. That's how the anti-Orbital argument > always starts -- mention MTV first, as if some sort of commercial profile is > indicative of a lack of artistic integrity, *THEN* get around to criticising > their music (albeit in a unconvincing fashion). If Orbital ain't your cup > of tea, then that's fine -- but don't > pretend to hate them just because they're not as "underground" as other IDM > artists you like.> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Hey! that's my opinion. And I'm entitled to it. Someone said that usually Orbital is told to be bad because of the MTV appearences... I didn't see any but I've listened to most of their stuff...it's commercial pop to my ears (except one album) and I can do nothing about it. Maybe they like the music they make but hey that does not necesserily mean that they do not try to make it more acceptable for the masses... we both can prove wrong in this case. btw it is very professional electronic dance pop. it is far better than 99% of pop electronica anyway. and I do not say that dance music is pop (Ae is dance music as well as far as it has been resolved on this mailing list when it was named "idm"). I say Orbital are making music for the masses which I feel while listening to their music - especially in new album - that fact makesd them crap to my ears in comparison to other groups in my audio library. And, once more - In Sides is masterpiece. Alien -----Original Message----- From: component [mailto:component@mindstorm.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 8:08 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Re: Chart/MTV Success = Shite Music Its rather presuptious to assume that the music that they make is not the music that they enjoy and would want to make. I've loved most of Orbital's output and just because its dance doesn't necessaruly mean its pop crap. Rob component records www.mindstorm.com/component ----- Original Message ----- From: Konstantin Minko <ibss@ukrpack.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [idm] Re: Chart/MTV Success = Shite Music

quoted 4 lines Oribital are commercial pop electronica anyway.... Only "In Sides" was a

> Oribital are commercial pop electronica anyway.... Only "In Sides" was a > really great album from them - anything else was just useless crap. Please > note that I did not see them on MTV (I simply don't have such option in my > country).I do not like them because they are making music for masses not

for

quoted 21 lines themselves in the first place.... Though in "In Sides" they've shown what

> themselves in the first place.... Though in "In Sides" they've shown what > they're really capable of... And then decided to switch to normal money > making music. Alas, they lost it and never seem to find it until now. > > Certainly it is only my humble opinion...no offense > > Alien > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TekDz9ER@aol.com [mailto:TekDz9ER@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 7:40 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] Re: Chart/MTV Success = Shite Music > > > I've always been a big fan of Orbital, but I'll tell you one thing that > really annoyed me. Forget the whole MTV vs. underground thing. The pure > fact that they recorded a track with overlaying vocals from Leonardo > DiCaprio just made my stomach turn. I really wish they had thought harder > before coming out with The Beach. Hopefully the forthcoming album will

help

quoted 6 lines redeem themselves.

> redeem themselves. > > TekDz9er > > <If there's one thing that annoys me, it's those people who hate Orbital > simply because they've appeared on MTV. That's how the anti-Orbital

argument

quoted 1 line always starts -- mention MTV first, as if some sort of commercial profile

> always starts -- mention MTV first, as if some sort of commercial profile

is

quoted 1 line indicative of a lack of artistic integrity, *THEN* get around to

> indicative of a lack of artistic integrity, *THEN* get around to

criticising

quoted 3 lines their music (albeit in a unconvincing fashion). If Orbital ain't your cup

> their music (albeit in a unconvincing fashion). If Orbital ain't your cup > of tea, then that's fine -- but don't > pretend to hate them just because they're not as "underground" as other

IDM

quoted 11 lines artists you like.>

> artists you like.> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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DUDE, ORBITAL SUXXX! NELLY RULES! I LOVE COUNTRY GRAMMER CUZ OF ITS PHAT BEATZ! -lee on 10/11/00 9:08 AM, component at component@mindstorm.com wrote:

quoted 68 lines Its rather presuptious to assume that the music that they make is not the

> Its rather presuptious to assume that the music that they make is not the > music that they enjoy and would want to make. I've loved most of > Orbital's output and just because its dance doesn't necessaruly mean > its pop crap. > > Rob > component records > www.mindstorm.com/component > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Konstantin Minko <ibss@ukrpack.net> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:54 AM > Subject: RE: [idm] Re: Chart/MTV Success = Shite Music > > >> Oribital are commercial pop electronica anyway.... Only "In Sides" was a >> really great album from them - anything else was just useless crap. Please >> note that I did not see them on MTV (I simply don't have such option in my >> country).I do not like them because they are making music for masses not for >> themselves in the first place.... Though in "In Sides" they've shown what >> they're really capable of... And then decided to switch to normal money >> making music. Alas, they lost it and never seem to find it until now. >> >> Certainly it is only my humble opinion...no offense >> >> Alien >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: TekDz9ER@aol.com [mailto:TekDz9ER@aol.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 7:40 PM >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: [idm] Re: Chart/MTV Success = Shite Music >> >> >> I've always been a big fan of Orbital, but I'll tell you one thing that >> really annoyed me. Forget the whole MTV vs. underground thing. The pure >> fact that they recorded a track with overlaying vocals from Leonardo >> DiCaprio just made my stomach turn. I really wish they had thought harder >> before coming out with The Beach. Hopefully the forthcoming album will help >> redeem themselves. >> >> TekDz9er >> >> <If there's one thing that annoys me, it's those people who hate Orbital >> simply because they've appeared on MTV. That's how the anti-Orbital argument >> always starts -- mention MTV first, as if some sort of commercial profile is >> indicative of a lack of artistic integrity, *THEN* get around to criticising >> their music (albeit in a unconvincing fashion). If Orbital ain't your cup >> of tea, then that's fine -- but don't >> pretend to hate them just because they're not as "underground" as other IDM >> artists you like.> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Matthew Burrows <matthew_burrows@hotmail.com> said:

quoted 1 line the only good thing about orbital (ever) was the baldhead/glasses with

> the only good thing about orbital (ever) was the baldhead/glasses with

lights combination......and now > they have hair That has to be one the most musically-ignorant statements I've heard in awhile. I hope you're not serious. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

> the only good thing about orbital (ever) was the baldhead/glasses with lights combination......and now > they have hair That has to be one the most musically-ignorant statements I've heard in awhile. I hope you're not serious. i really wish i was serious, simply to piss you off _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org