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Right on. Vinyl is cool if you don't care about preserving your music. I mean every time you play a record, you are basically erasing it little by little. When I buy vinyl, I play it once into my computer and then Burn it to CD-R and file the vinyl away in a safe place. That's all it's really good for it seems, to collect. Because it wears out so easily. Peace, -AL

quoted 66 lines From: "M Mercer" <vletrmx@hotmail.com>

>From: "M Mercer" <vletrmx@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] recording formats >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:00:48 EDT > >never could get into vinyl. too much care involved.... it scratches very >easily, it warps with time and needs very particular storage methods. also, >CDs never get weather-worn by humidity, etc., or at least not in my >experience. also, it's less portable, takes up more shelf space (depending >on which way you look at it).... > >as for the sound, i would rather listen to digitally recorded music on a >digital format. i assume that if someone recorded his/her music on a nice >digital computer system and mastered it with studio monitors then more >often >than not the desired sound is the cleaner, more "perfect" production >quality. if i wanted pops and clicks on my music, i'd put them there >myself. > >then again, i suppose like anything else, it always goes back to personal >preference. that and i couldn't possibly afford to buy vinyl on top of the >large amount of CDs i buy every month ;-) > >my .02 >matt > > > >>From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> >>To: rebecca263 <rebecca263@netzero.net> >>CC: idm <idm@hyperreal.org> >>Subject: Re: [idm] Kid A >>Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:28:12 -0500 (CDT) >> >>vinyl every time. it sounds better, it looks nicer, and if you're an >>intellectual property nazi, they're much harder to rip into MP3's... >> >>the only possible benefit of cd's is convenience and the slight >>increase in durability. personally i'd rather use minidiscs than cds >>since they are more portable, come in a very fancy dustproof shell, and >>therefore more durable. oh yeah and they are re-/recordable >> >>anyway watch for minidiscs to replace the aging cassette tape format. >> >>josh > > >+------------------------------------+ >m.mercer :: systm >audio-visual communicator > >www.personal.kent.edu/~mmercer/systm/ >www.mp3.com/systm >mmercer@kent.edu :: vletrmx@hotmail.com > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:09:48PM +0000, Arnold Layne wrote:

quoted 5 lines Right on. Vinyl is cool if you don't care about preserving your music. I

> Right on. Vinyl is cool if you don't care about preserving your music. I > mean every time you play a record, you are basically erasing it little by > little. When I buy vinyl, I play it once into my computer and then Burn it > to CD-R and file the vinyl away in a safe place. That's all it's really > good for it seems, to collect. Because it wears out so easily.

One of my brother's friends came over the day and tried telling me something about how you can take two records and play them at the same time. He said something about "the ones and the twos" or something like that. He said he was a deejay (I don't know what radio station he works for) so I guess he might know what he's talking about, but I'm not sure. Anybody know anything about this? If this is true, maybe I can use my records for something other than storing them. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 04:03 PM 10/5/2000 -0500, atomly wrote:

quoted 16 lines On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:09:48PM +0000, Arnold Layne wrote:

>On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:09:48PM +0000, Arnold Layne wrote: > > Right on. Vinyl is cool if you don't care about preserving your music. I > > mean every time you play a record, you are basically erasing it little by > > little. When I buy vinyl, I play it once into my computer and then > Burn it > > to CD-R and file the vinyl away in a safe place. That's all it's really > > good for it seems, to collect. Because it wears out so easily. > >One of my brother's friends came over the day and tried telling me >something about how you can take two records and play them at the same >time. He said something about "the ones and the twos" or something like >that. He said he was a deejay (I don't know what radio station he works >for) so I guess he might know what he's talking about, but I'm not sure. > >Anybody know anything about this? If this is true, maybe I can use my >records for something other than storing them.

nah. most of these "deejays" just crossfade songs, meaning they let one song start as another one ends. such things can be easily accomplished using ceedees. of course, i've heard of an elusive bunch that actually utilize the record *player* as an instrument, although these are mostly mythological creatures. cheers, /derek - - - - - - - - "At the end we preferred to travel all night, Sleeping in snatches, With the voices singing in our ears, saying That this was all folly." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

HAHAHAHA! That's an awsome come back! :) That makes me happy. You are ok in my book :) -AL

quoted 34 lines From: atomly <atomly@atomly.com>

>From: atomly <atomly@atomly.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] recording formats >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:03:00 -0500 > >On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:09:48PM +0000, Arnold Layne wrote: > > Right on. Vinyl is cool if you don't care about preserving your music. >I > > mean every time you play a record, you are basically erasing it little >by > > little. When I buy vinyl, I play it once into my computer and then Burn >it > > to CD-R and file the vinyl away in a safe place. That's all it's really > > good for it seems, to collect. Because it wears out so easily. > >One of my brother's friends came over the day and tried telling me >something about how you can take two records and play them at the same >time. He said something about "the ones and the twos" or something like >that. He said he was a deejay (I don't know what radio station he works >for) so I guess he might know what he's talking about, but I'm not sure. > >Anybody know anything about this? If this is true, maybe I can use my >records for something other than storing them. > >-- >:: atomly :: > >atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com >http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Oh yeah i heard about that! You can use them to make little "wicky-wickey" sounds over your older brother's heavy-metal rap band. It sounds really cool! - cutups

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> ----- Original Message ----- > From: atomly <atomly@atomly.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] recording formats > > > > On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:09:48PM +0000, Arnold Layne wrote: > > > Right on. Vinyl is cool if you don't care about preserving your

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> I > > > mean every time you play a record, you are basically erasing it little > by > > > little. When I buy vinyl, I play it once into my computer and then

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quoted 24 lines good for it seems, to collect. Because it wears out so easily.

> > > good for it seems, to collect. Because it wears out so easily. > > > > One of my brother's friends came over the day and tried telling me > > something about how you can take two records and play them at the same > > time. He said something about "the ones and the twos" or something like > > that. He said he was a deejay (I don't know what radio station he works > > for) so I guess he might know what he's talking about, but I'm not sure. > > > > Anybody know anything about this? If this is true, maybe I can use my > > records for something other than storing them. > > > > -- > > :: atomly :: > > > > atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com > > http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >

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I hate to contribute to this CD vs. vinyl debate, but I should point out that your reasoning's a bit off. People are still playing records that were made in the '30s. I read in several places (WIRED and the Dead Media list, among others) that the expected lifespan of CDs is fairly short (the info's stored on aluminum, after all). Sure, you could make MP3s of the CDs, but then you're left with gigs of muddy-sounding music that you have to repeatedly copy from computer to computer and back-up (all the while hoping MP3-playing software isn't non-existent thirty years from now.) Here's a couple of sources: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.09/saved.html?pg=3&topic= http://www.deadmedia.org/notes/32/324.html Maybe you'll want to keep those old Bee Gees LPs. Jacob

quoted 8 lines Right on. Vinyl is cool if you don't care about preserving your music. I

>Right on. Vinyl is cool if you don't care about preserving your music. I >mean every time you play a record, you are basically erasing it little by >little. When I buy vinyl, I play it once into my computer and then Burn it >to CD-R and file the vinyl away in a safe place. That's all it's really >good for it seems, to collect. Because it wears out so easily. > >Peace, >-AL

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At 08:44 PM 10/5/2000 -0600, Jacob Arnold wrote:

quoted 8 lines I hate to contribute to this CD vs. vinyl debate, but I should point out

>I hate to contribute to this CD vs. vinyl debate, but I should point out >that your reasoning's a bit off. People are still playing records that >were made in the '30s. I read in several places (WIRED and the Dead Media >list, among others) that the expected lifespan of CDs is fairly short (the >info's stored on aluminum, after all). Sure, you could make MP3s of the >CDs, but then you're left with gigs of muddy-sounding music that you have >to repeatedly copy from computer to computer and back-up (all the while >hoping MP3-playing software isn't non-existent thirty years from now.)

sure, but that doesn't have any real relevance to things pressed now, especially since the quality of vinyl is different. similarly, there are a lot of records from the 30's that are essentially non-existant due to wear. plastic vs. aluminum.. hmm.. either way, i don't know of much electronic music that doesn't hit a non-analog form before it's pressed to vinyl. perhaps music made solely on analog equipment (ugh, 303's and 808's), instruments, and tape would benefit from an "analog" recording medium, but most people, both on this list and off of it, don't prefer that in new music. a 12" slab o' wax filled with DSP is sort of hilarious :) and there is an infinite amount of music in an infinite amount of ways in an infinite number of frequencies. it's just a matter of what you want to listen to, and what you choose to ignore. and the point brought up where this has been talked about to death isn't to stifle conversation, it's to prove that such conversations are moot, since it does boil down to personal preference. some people turn their bass knob all the way up, some people turn the treble knob all the way up. they could still be listening to autechre, but they're different songs at that point. cheers, /derek - - - - - - - - "At the end we preferred to travel all night, Sleeping in snatches, With the voices singing in our ears, saying That this was all folly." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 16 lines I hate to contribute to this CD vs. vinyl debate, but I should point

>I hate to contribute to this CD vs. vinyl debate, but I should point >out that your reasoning's a bit off. People are still playing records >that were made in the '30s. I read in several places (WIRED and the >Dead Media list, among others) that the expected lifespan of CDs is >fairly short (the info's stored on aluminum, after all). Sure, you >could make MP3s of the CDs, but then you're left with gigs of >muddy-sounding music that you have to repeatedly copy from computer >to computer and back-up (all the while hoping MP3-playing software >isn't non-existent thirty years from now.) > >Here's a couple of sources: > >http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.09/saved.html?pg=3&topic= >http://www.deadmedia.org/notes/32/324.html > >Maybe you'll want to keep those old Bee Gees LPs.

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quoted 1 line Right on. Vinyl is cool if you don't care about preserving your music.

> Right on. Vinyl is cool if you don't care about preserving your music.

There is no archival quality optical media yet. Vinyl doesn't wear out that easily, just take care of it and don't use too much tracking weight on your tonearm if you can help it. Of course, if you're sitting there with a quarter taped to the top of your cartridge trying to pretend you're DJ Qbert... Andrew -- -| Andrew Schrock | aschrock@cs.brandeis.edu |- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 35 lines I hate to contribute to this CD vs. vinyl debate, but I should point out

>>I hate to contribute to this CD vs. vinyl debate, but I should point out >>that your reasoning's a bit off. People are still playing records that >>were made in the '30s. I read in several places (WIRED and the Dead Media >>list, among others) that the expected lifespan of CDs is fairly short (the >>info's stored on aluminum, after all). Sure, you could make MP3s of the >>CDs, but then you're left with gigs of muddy-sounding music that you have >>to repeatedly copy from computer to computer and back-up (all the while >>hoping MP3-playing software isn't non-existent thirty years from now.) > > sure, but that doesn't have any real relevance to things pressed now, > especially since the quality of vinyl is different. similarly, there are a > lot of records from the 30's that are essentially non-existant due to > wear. plastic vs. aluminum.. hmm.. > > either way, i don't know of much electronic music that doesn't hit a > non-analog form before it's pressed to vinyl. perhaps music made solely on > analog equipment (ugh, 303's and 808's), instruments, and tape would > benefit from an "analog" recording medium, but most people, both on this > list and off of it, don't prefer that in new music. a 12" slab o' wax > filled with DSP is sort of hilarious :) > > and there is an infinite amount of music in an infinite amount of ways in > an infinite number of frequencies. it's just a matter of what you want to > listen to, and what you choose to ignore. > > and the point brought up where this has been talked about to death isn't to > stifle conversation, it's to prove that such conversations are moot, since > it does boil down to personal preference. some people turn their bass knob > all the way up, some people turn the treble knob all the way up. they > could still be listening to autechre, but they're different songs at that > point. > > cheers, > /derek >

anything that you listen to is turned into an analog signal... whatever dsp trickery you do on your computer then bounce down to a 2 track stereo mix included...so if you ran that mix out your computer and onto an analog 2 track machine it becomes an analog wave. meaning you could fatten up the wave on analog tape for mixdown....any signal could benefit from this. just because it was created by digital oscilators or software on your computer or whatever doesn't mean it is listened to in a digital domain...i have no D to A converter in my head. I gues all I'm saying is if you convert to analog in your recording process you might as well run it off to analog tape if possible because your purely digital creations will be another analog wave like anything else and will benefit from analog tape. steve

quoted 9 lines anything that you listen to is turned into an analog signal... whatever

> > anything that you listen to is turned into an analog signal... whatever >dsp trickery you do on your computer then bounce down to a 2 track stereo >mix included...so if you ran that mix out your computer and onto an analog 2 >track machine it becomes an analog wave. meaning you could fatten up the >wave on analog tape for mixdown....any signal could benefit from this. just >because it was created by digital oscilators or software on your computer or >whatever doesn't mean it is listened to in a digital domain...i have no D to >A converter in my head.

hey, so you're saying that when we listen to a cd, we're turning it into an analog signal. so where's the argument? so, for future reference, there is no difference between cd's and vinyl, since we all hear in analog :) heh heh heh cheers, /derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org