--- "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM> wrote:
quoted 2 lines I feel a bit odd defending NIN, but even his first
> I feel a bit odd defending NIN, but even his first
> album was well produced.
One of my dj friends will buy records that i don't
really care for sometimes. When I asked him if he
really likes it (out of curiosity), he usually says
"it's tightly produced". Which really didn't answer
my question. Just because something is tightly
produced doesn't make it good.
quoted 3 lines If there's one thing Trent can do, it's production
> If there's one thing Trent can do, it's production
> work. He's a bit of an emotional humpty-dumpty and
> he's not so quiet as he could be, but...
I always thought Cevin Key was the man, not Trent.
quoted 5 lines And as for "bad" music? Okay, first of all, let's
> And as for "bad" music? Okay, first of all, let's
> all understand. I DO NOT LIKE N-SYNC. But, many
> people do. To some degree, you have to accept that
> these people like N-Sync over other 'similar' groups
> and realize that there is SOME thought involved.
I agree there is some thought in Boy Bands, it's how
can we make a shitload of money.
quoted 2 lines Just because you don't like them doesn't mean
> Just because you don't like them doesn't mean
> they're simply BAD.
Call it what it means to you.
Everytime someone says they don't like something
somebody has to say "that's your opinion not the
truth", no shit...there are few "universal truths"
discussed on this list. Some people will like some
artists, some won't...we don't need to remind the
people that it is their opinion...I'm sure they know
that.
Discuss and argue, just stop pointing out the OBVIOUS.
EVERYONE can tell the difference between opinions and
fact.
quoted 5 lines Quite a few people like Janet Jackson because she
> Quite a few people like Janet Jackson because she
> dances well AND sings. Others like N-Sync because
> they're heavily involved with their fans. Others
> prefer Brittany Spears because she's selling sex and
> not doing such a bad job of it.
Who cares?
quoted 2 lines There is more to music than the intellectual
> There is more to music than the intellectual
> noodling that composes much of IDM.
Sure, if you can't say something is good or bad, then
how can you really talk about anything. I doubt that
whatever expression or feeling you attach to it will
be universally felt and agreed upon. You could argue
about it forever. That's why I always say talk about
what it means to you, and not worry about it.
quoted 4 lines In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if a significant
> In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if a significant
> percentage of the population believes IDM and its
> ilk to be musical masturbation...not really
> music, but experimentation for its own sake.
I think there is a fair number of people that don't
consider electronic music as music. I have heard some
people say that some idm is random for the sake of it,
I can agree on that for some things.
quoted 4 lines For many, music is entertainment...or meaning (i.e.
> For many, music is entertainment...or meaning (i.e.
> lyrics)...or politics...or escape...or sex. It's not
> always about your brain going "cool, that sounds
> neat."
That seems certainly evident at many raves and clubs I
have been to. Party music typically isn't very deep.
quoted 2 lines It's an unfair oversimplification to say that IDM is
> It's an unfair oversimplification to say that IDM is
> cool and most other music is shit.
I never heard anyone say that. I think most people
should listen to a wide range of music. When the
whole laptop mouse clicking discussion was going on,
it was sort of funny how some people reacted. Some
people painted the worst scenario of seeing a rock
show, and then compared that to seeing someone click a
laptop.
I was thinking to myself why are these people trying
to be so elitist and act like there are absolutely no
good non-electronic artists out there worth seeing.
There are good and bad things in every genre. Mouse
clicking happens to be one of the bad things for me,
that's not a performance.
quoted 1 line You like IDM for your reasons, other people prefer
> You like IDM for your reasons, other people prefer
N-> Sync for their own reasons...why is it necessary
to > be cool and unique at the expense of the rest of
the > world???
Just because you like and dislike stuff doesn't mean
you are "being cool and unique" at someone else's
expense. I don't think one should surpress their
opinions or ideas, and worry about what others think.
Why join a sea of blandness, and not have your own
opinion about anything?
quoted 2 lines Just enjoy what you like, have a little respect for
> Just enjoy what you like, have a little respect for
> others and allow them their opinions.
Don't worry about what other people think, express
yourself. Who cares if someone does or doesn't like
what you like.
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