179,854Messages
9,130Senders
30Years
342mboxes

← archive index

RE: [idm] Mr. Popp has a right to hate the audience

3 messages · 3 participants · spans 1 day · search this subject
◇ merged from 2 subjects: mr. popp has a right to hate the audience · mr. popp has a right to think you're a freak
2000-09-21 03:26Chris Fahey RE: [idm] Mr. Popp has a right to hate the audience
└─ 2000-09-21 04:34EggyToast RE: [idm] Mr. Popp has a right to think you're a freak
2000-09-21 07:27steve Re: [idm] Mr. Popp has a right to hate the audience
expand allcollapse allclick any summary to toggle that message
2000-09-21 03:26Chris Fahey> Maybe, but if that's the case, the man just shouldn't play live and > thereby go all out
From:
Chris Fahey
To:
Date:
Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:26:38 -0400
Subject:
RE: [idm] Mr. Popp has a right to hate the audience
permalink · <D79909C367EAD3118D3E00508B9B0EF5765704@NYC3MSG01>
quoted 13 lines Maybe, but if that's the case, the man just shouldn't play live and> Maybe, but if that's the case, the man just shouldn't play live and > thereby go all out. If anything, a live setting makes it VERY hard to > "deny and/or demythologize" authorship. There is the > performer and there > is the audience. Though some have tried to blur these lines in the > avant-garde arena, Herr Popp very much stood on a stage and played in > front of everyone in a most standard wat. Which, if he's going to be > pedantic about it, is somewhat contradictory to what you're > suggesting. > And if the post-performance behaviour was a way of > overcompensating for > not indulging this philosophy during the performance himself, > then he's even more of a prat in my books. :)
He "shouldn't play live" just to be consistent with a philosophy he aspires to? Is it hypocritical to hate your job and still go to work every day because you need the money? I'm sure touring helps Mr. Popp pay his bills. He doesn't have to like it and he doesn't have to talk to anybody, but he probably has some financial or contractual need to tour. He wishes he didn't have to tour and get pestered by us ugly IDM fans hounding him with our fan bullshit. Sounds like he hates the myth of the artist/god and would rather avoid all of that stuff. It's not hypocritical to want to do something that your job doesn't let you do. (I seem to spend a lot of time on this list defending adults for doing their jobs and not being "pure artists". It's as if nobody understands how artists are working people too.) Besides, most IDM artists *should* sulk offstage and hide themselves in shame for the fake-ass near-lipsynching inert non-performances most of them give on stage anyway. I think most studio-based musicians (which 95% of IDM is) dread being on stage and feel like hypocites when then step into a spotlight to simply turn on and off tracks in cubase. Maybe Mr. Popp has a kind of refined, introspective sense of shame that even most electronic acts don't have. When he breezes by someone as if they weren't there, maybe he's trying to tell them "You just saw me embarass myself by pretending to be a live musician. I'm ashamed to have to do this to get your money, so please don't embarass both of us further by commenting on my 'performance"." How's that? There are lots of reasons why he doesn't have to be nice to us. ;) - Cf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-21 04:34EggyToastcomment at bottom :) At 11:26 PM 9/20/00 -0400, Chris Fahey wrote: > > Maybe, but if that'
From:
EggyToast
To:
Date:
Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:34:12 -0500
Subject:
RE: [idm] Mr. Popp has a right to think you're a freak
Reply to:
RE: [idm] Mr. Popp has a right to hate the audience
permalink · <4.3.2.7.1.20000920233017.00aa4100@youn0394.email.umn.edu>
comment at bottom :) At 11:26 PM 9/20/00 -0400, Chris Fahey wrote:
quoted 44 lines Maybe, but if that's the case, the man just shouldn't play live and> > Maybe, but if that's the case, the man just shouldn't play live and > > thereby go all out. If anything, a live setting makes it VERY hard to > > "deny and/or demythologize" authorship. There is the > > performer and there > > is the audience. Though some have tried to blur these lines in the > > avant-garde arena, Herr Popp very much stood on a stage and played in > > front of everyone in a most standard wat. Which, if he's going to be > > pedantic about it, is somewhat contradictory to what you're > > suggesting. > > And if the post-performance behaviour was a way of > > overcompensating for > > not indulging this philosophy during the performance himself, > > then he's even more of a prat in my books. :) > >He "shouldn't play live" just to be consistent with a philosophy he aspires >to? Is it hypocritical to hate your job and still go to work every day >because you need the money? > >I'm sure touring helps Mr. Popp pay his bills. He doesn't have to like it >and he doesn't have to talk to anybody, but he probably has some financial >or contractual need to tour. He wishes he didn't have to tour and get >pestered by us ugly IDM fans hounding him with our fan bullshit. Sounds like >he hates the myth of the artist/god and would rather avoid all of that >stuff. It's not hypocritical to want to do something that your job doesn't >let you do. > >(I seem to spend a lot of time on this list defending adults for doing their >jobs and not being "pure artists". It's as if nobody understands how artists >are working people too.) > >Besides, most IDM artists *should* sulk offstage and hide themselves in >shame for the fake-ass near-lipsynching inert non-performances most of them >give on stage anyway. I think most studio-based musicians (which 95% of IDM >is) dread being on stage and feel like hypocites when then step into a >spotlight to simply turn on and off tracks in cubase. > >Maybe Mr. Popp has a kind of refined, introspective sense of shame that even >most electronic acts don't have. When he breezes by someone as if they >weren't there, maybe he's trying to tell them "You just saw me embarass >myself by pretending to be a live musician. I'm ashamed to have to do this >to get your money, so please don't embarass both of us further by commenting >on my 'performance"." > >How's that? There are lots of reasons why he doesn't have to be nice to us.
He was probably deeply offended by such fan-dom, and rather than getting upset, was polite and didn't say anything. Most German culture is significantly more formal than culture in North America. geez, it's like getting mad at someone from japan because they bow to show status. "stop bowing, you're in our country, so act like it!" :b cheers/derek ----------- "Extremism is no vice when God's on your side" -Opus the Penguin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-21 07:27steveIf you really want to get someone's attention after they/he/she/muppet just played then sp
From:
steve
To:
Date:
Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:27:22 -0800
Subject:
Re: [idm] Mr. Popp has a right to hate the audience
permalink · <200009202331.XAA88863@smtp.ixpres.com>
If you really want to get someone's attention after they/he/she/muppet just played then spit at them as they walk off stage or pass you by..it always works for me...oh, unless it's skinny puppy..then throw eggs before they even get off the stage..that way they know where to find you....
quoted 41 lines He "shouldn't play live" just to be consistent with a philosophy he aspires> He "shouldn't play live" just to be consistent with a philosophy he aspires > to? Is it hypocritical to hate your job and still go to work every day > because you need the money? > > I'm sure touring helps Mr. Popp pay his bills. He doesn't have to like it > and he doesn't have to talk to anybody, but he probably has some financial > or contractual need to tour. He wishes he didn't have to tour and get > pestered by us ugly IDM fans hounding him with our fan bullshit. Sounds like > he hates the myth of the artist/god and would rather avoid all of that > stuff. It's not hypocritical to want to do something that your job doesn't > let you do. > > (I seem to spend a lot of time on this list defending adults for doing their > jobs and not being "pure artists". It's as if nobody understands how artists > are working people too.) > > Besides, most IDM artists *should* sulk offstage and hide themselves in > shame for the fake-ass near-lipsynching inert non-performances most of them > give on stage anyway. I think most studio-based musicians (which 95% of IDM > is) dread being on stage and feel like hypocites when then step into a > spotlight to simply turn on and off tracks in cubase. > > Maybe Mr. Popp has a kind of refined, introspective sense of shame that even > most electronic acts don't have. When he breezes by someone as if they > weren't there, maybe he's trying to tell them "You just saw me embarass > myself by pretending to be a live musician. I'm ashamed to have to do this > to get your money, so please don't embarass both of us further by commenting > on my 'performance"." > > How's that? There are lots of reasons why he doesn't have to be nice to us. > > ;) > > - Cf > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org