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[idm] Re: idm Digest 20 Sep 2000 21:31:24 -0000 Issue 671

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2000-09-21 02:45P. D. [idm] Re: idm Digest 20 Sep 2000 21:31:24 -0000 Issue 671
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2000-09-21 02:45P. D."Matthew Korfhage" <pomomofo2000@hotmail.com> sez: > ... falls pretty well in line with Po
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"Matthew Korfhage" <pomomofo2000@hotmail.com> sez:
quoted 8 lines ... falls pretty well in line with Popp's philosophy on the denial> ... falls pretty well in line with Popp's philosophy on the denial > and/or demythologizing of authorship, i.e. it may be that Popp's > over-intellectualized motive behind being a half-existent droid is to reduce > the appearance of authorial presence. Now, why he would go and play live if > that's his goal is anybody's guess.... I can't believe that revenues from > his handful of stateside fans would even pay for travel costs. Quite > possibly he's just reinforcing an overwrought aesthetic of detachment at > this point.
Maybe, but if that's the case, the man just shouldn't play live and thereby go all out. If anything, a live setting makes it VERY hard to "deny and/or demythologize" authorship. There is the performer and there is the audience. Though some have tried to blur these lines in the avant-garde arena, Herr Popp very much stood on a stage and played in front of everyone in a most standard wat. Which, if he's going to be pedantic about it, is somewhat contradictory to what you're suggesting. And if the post-performance behaviour was a way of overcompensating for not indulging this philosophy during the performance himself, then he's even more of a prat in my books. :)
quoted 3 lines I can't verify whether audience disregard is standard routine for him-- I> I can't verify whether audience disregard is standard routine for him-- I > didn't see anyone try to chat him up when he opened up for Jim O'Rourke, > although he certainly didn't shout out to the crowd at any point :)
I wouldn't even necessarily expect chattiness, but the merest acknowledgement of any other humans. When he spun around in the middle of something someone tried to say to him, I was at a bit of a loss... I've never had anyone be quite that oblivious before. It was obviously very forced and deliberate too, which is why it got my goat in the first place.
quoted 3 lines -- but at> -- but at > any rate, I'll still be at his live show at the next opportunity, if only > because I think his schtick works well when the sound is keyed up right....
I honestly must say that while it wasn't bad, and while I think some of his records are/were quite good (Systemisch & Dok come to mind), it didn't carry over so well live. It was very much a one trick pony show towards the end. Of course, maybe I was subconsciously comparing it to the brilliant Ryoji Ikeda/Dumb Type show I saw over the weekend. :)
quoted 4 lines There are a number of reasons I refuse to try to talk to any given artist on> There are a number of reasons I refuse to try to talk to any given artist on > the basis of a show they've done; not wanting to end up hating a personality > that is only peripherally related to the music they're creating is one of > them. Or did anyone forget that AFX is an overweening, pre-pubescent ass?
Well, I'm not about to throw out any of my Oval records, if that's what you mean. :) Though the few times I have talked to artists after shows, I have only been pleasantly surprised. And I generally don't accost people fan-boy style; I didn't try to say anything to Popp last night nor did I approach him myself -- I just observed what was happening a metre (3 feet :) or so away from me.
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2000-09-21 03:00P. D.Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> sez: >my take on popp is that he is a very intelligent a
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Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> sez:
quoted 6 lines my take on popp is that he is a very intelligent artist with a>my take on popp is that he is a very intelligent artist with a >distinct goal in mind, who has developed a process for achieving this goal >which he then executes both in the studio and in live settings. he does >not do this "for the fans" and i think it's rather selfish for fans of the >music to feel that they are owed face-time with the artist just because >they came to the show.
Maybe he doesn't owe anyone "face-time" but he does owe the slightest modicum of civility to those people who bothered to go see his sorry ass perform live. If he had said "fuck off" to those two guys at the show and walked off, it would honestly have been less alienating than his puerile little aloof act. And how is expecting the barest hint of acknowledgement when speaking to someone being selfish? It's selfish of Popp to expect people to take it... it's not like he was mobbed by people either.
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