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quoted 6 lines Although I'm sure one could turn a tempo knob up to 1000 bpm pretty easily

>Although I'm sure one could turn a tempo knob up to 1000 bpm pretty easily >(creating what would certainly sound like a high pitched beep), the concept >itself is absurd (that is, it is nonsensical). A 'beat' is a term that >directly relates to the human perception of rhythm - if you can't detect a >rhythm of a given sound on some level, if you can't feel it pulsing, then I >don't think it's helpful to refer to its increments as 'beats'.

just curious, but is there anyone out there who is a sound engineer? i'm wondering what the cut-off point is for most people, i.e. around what bpm measure do our brains stop detecting beats and hear a continuous sound, instead? i would think it varies from person to person, but i wonder where and by how much... -a. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Alex Reynolds wrote:

quoted 7 lines just curious, but is there anyone out there who is a sound engineer?

> just curious, but is there anyone out there who is a sound engineer? > i'm wondering what the cut-off point is for most people, i.e. around > what bpm measure do our brains stop detecting beats and hear a > continuous sound, instead? i would think it varies from person to > person, but i wonder where and by how much... > > -a.

I think someone already mentioned this, but what the hey... 20 Hz ... or 1200 BPM, on average. ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County "I FOCUSED... THE MAGNIFYING GLASS... THAT BROUGHT THE DOWNFALL OF ICARUS!" ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i am not a sound engineer, but i don't think you ought to be one to detect when a beat -as it is increased in bpm- becomes a continuous bleep of some sort. i think anyone and everyone with a trained and acute musical ear (and that would probably include most of us) would be able to perceive it. as far as around what bpm our brains stop detecting a pulsing beat.. i have yet to try that, i guess i would leave that tentative answer to the enginner(s) out there.. --luis ----Original Message Follows---- From: Alex Reynolds <reynolda@sas.upenn.edu> To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] a question about perception of sound Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:00:41 -0400

quoted 6 lines Although I'm sure one could turn a tempo knob up to 1000 bpm pretty easily

>Although I'm sure one could turn a tempo knob up to 1000 bpm pretty easily >(creating what would certainly sound like a high pitched beep), the concept >itself is absurd (that is, it is nonsensical). A 'beat' is a term that >directly relates to the human perception of rhythm - if you can't detect a >rhythm of a given sound on some level, if you can't feel it pulsing, then I >don't think it's helpful to refer to its increments as 'beats'.

just curious, but is there anyone out there who is a sound engineer? i'm wondering what the cut-off point is for most people, i.e. around what bpm measure do our brains stop detecting beats and hear a continuous sound, instead? i would think it varies from person to person, but i wonder where and by how much... -a. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In my experience, it depends on the volume and how the tone of the beats varies. If they're all the exact same kick drum on every sound, it starts to sound more like a tone than a series of beats around 400 bpm. However, if there's variation on in the beat pattern, you can go faster than that and have it sound different. The fastest useful tracks i can think of that sound good are around 320-340 bpm which will double time with jungle. I personally don't have anything that's faster unless you play it on 45. - cutups ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Reynolds <reynolda@sas.upenn.edu> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 4:00 PM Subject: [idm] a question about perception of sound

quoted 1 line Although I'm sure one could turn a tempo knob up to 1000 bpm pretty

> >Although I'm sure one could turn a tempo knob up to 1000 bpm pretty

easily

quoted 1 line (creating what would certainly sound like a high pitched beep), the

> >(creating what would certainly sound like a high pitched beep), the

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quoted 2 lines itself is absurd (that is, it is nonsensical). A 'beat' is a term that

> >itself is absurd (that is, it is nonsensical). A 'beat' is a term that > >directly relates to the human perception of rhythm - if you can't detect

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quoted 1 line rhythm of a given sound on some level, if you can't feel it pulsing, then

> >rhythm of a given sound on some level, if you can't feel it pulsing, then

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quoted 15 lines don't think it's helpful to refer to its increments as 'beats'.

> >don't think it's helpful to refer to its increments as 'beats'. > > just curious, but is there anyone out there who is a sound engineer? > i'm wondering what the cut-off point is for most people, i.e. around > what bpm measure do our brains stop detecting beats and hear a > continuous sound, instead? i would think it varies from person to > person, but i wonder where and by how much... > > -a. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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average human hearing cuts off at around 17k...not many people really hear anything about that (although we may percieve the air up there we don't really hear it)...just FYI...our ears get worse, as in our hearing gets worse, everyday after we are born...so maybe you can hear from 20-20 when your a toddler and female...females have better hearing then males...just the facts. ----------

quoted 5 lines From: Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org>

>From: Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] a question about perception of sound >Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2000, 12:03 PM >

quoted 29 lines On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Alex Reynolds wrote:

> > On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Alex Reynolds wrote: >> just curious, but is there anyone out there who is a sound engineer? >> i'm wondering what the cut-off point is for most people, i.e. around >> what bpm measure do our brains stop detecting beats and hear a >> continuous sound, instead? i would think it varies from person to >> person, but i wonder where and by how much... >> >> -a. > > I think someone already mentioned this, but what the hey... > > 20 Hz ... or 1200 BPM, on average. > > ======================================================================= > Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> > KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County > > "I FOCUSED... THE MAGNIFYING GLASS... > THAT BROUGHT THE DOWNFALL OF ICARUS!" > ======================================================================= > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 6 lines your a toddler and female...females have better hearing then males...just

>>your a toddler and female...females have better hearing then males...just >>the facts. >> > >maybe that helps explain why their are so few woman into idm, we just cant >hear how bad it really is:)

so why do girls like boy-bands? is there some element of the performer's physical attributes that is expressed in the music that is simply outside the male listener's audible range? hmm -derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i don't know. i'll go ask a girl....I think it is the dancing. Although women have offered up this to me: teenage girls not involved in extra curicular activities (sports, religion?, compulsive masterbation..hey, why not, um, student council, yearbook whatever) are kind of kept out of "trouble" by being obsessed with a boy band and occupying their daily lives living in the boy band element....of course the explanation was lengthy and had its limitations/exceptions....all of which I don't think I remember so i won't try and spew them up here... What this has to do with your questions i have no idea. not ot mention the larger picture of what it has to do with IDM except that of cousre this could be entertainment..bad ebtertainment... btw this is not a defense of boybands...not that it isn't a good way to get rich...I mean..you make a pile of money and are popular for 15 minutes then everyone forgets about you and your left with nothing but a load of cash to dick around with... hmm. let it rain. ----------

quoted 5 lines From: "EggyToast" <youn0394@umn.edu>

>From: "EggyToast" <youn0394@umn.edu> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] a question about perception of sound >Date: Tue, Aug 22, 2000, 5:55 PM >

quoted 20 lines your a toddler and female...females have better hearing then males...just

>>>your a toddler and female...females have better hearing then males...just >>>the facts. >>> >> >>maybe that helps explain why their are so few woman into idm, we just cant >>hear how bad it really is:) > > so why do girls like boy-bands? is there some element of the performer's > physical attributes that is expressed in the music that is simply outside > the male listener's audible range? > > hmm > -derek > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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