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2000-08-17 00:47[idm] Time Signature
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2000-08-17 00:47solenoid@syncopated.netThe numbers in the ratio of time signature have a standard meaning, they are not arbitrary
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The numbers in the ratio of time signature have a standard meaning, they are not arbitrary. Sure you can sit and count up to 5 over and over on some tempo synced to a peice of music, but that isn't the meaning of#/# in standard staff notation. There is a practical use for it, sure you can just force writing a song into a staff notation with the wrong time signature and ignore the glaringly obvious dominant patterns that are in the music. It will look like crap as the bar lines don't relate to the music at all, so why would anyone bother? It is like writ ingl iket his, what isth epoi nt? There is nothing so experimental about the music discussed on this list to need to change the traditional definition in order to talk about the music, I feel. There is plenty of experimenting going on within what are traditional music approaches. We're mostly just hearing different amounts of syncopation within what would most easily be notated as 4/4 when talking about most of the music brought up on this list (all this clever techno / idm stuff, that is). 'time signature' has a real meaning: the number of beats per measure over the note-value used to display it in standard staff notation. I'm talking about the same western notation that usually has you use a lower-case 'c' to represent 4/4, as that is the common time sig. Won't anybody go look on the web, if not a book, to clarify this stuff? It is right there; there isn't much left to debate about about what an old term means. Here is a typical example: http://www.gslis.utexas.edu/~kknox/musicweb/musictime.html If you don't think these traditional terms describe what you want to talk about in music, make up new ones! 4OTF (4 on the floor) is a great new term, so is 'glitchy' for an adjective about that sort of thing. Solenoid --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-17 04:20Loptimiste@aol.comTime signature and key are used to keep order. Ask any performer of notated music. It make
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Time signature and key are used to keep order. Ask any performer of notated music. It makes it easier for them. They hate playing pieces with 7 accidentals in them, and a fucked up beat. You could, in theory, give a piece the completely wrong key and just correct it with accidentals... and make a completely insane and difficult to understand rhythm... and it would still be right. but to make it easy for the performer (and the composer), it is simplified into an easier to understand key and time signature. it's like math. that's why equations are simplified. why fractions are usually reduced down. it's easier to work with. sorry if this is slightly incoherent, but it's late, and i'm drunk. jared --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-17 12:49Catfish GilSo on the ride in I was thinking - does anyone really care anymore about the bottom number
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So on the ride in I was thinking - does anyone really care anymore about the bottom number of a time signature? How many of us, or our fav musicians really actually write the music out on a staff? This track is in 4, that one is in 5. Really that's all that matters these days. I bet more .mid files are exchanged than the amount of sheet music published. anyway, that said, I'm totally against what timed note stands for one whole beat. ppq should stand for ppbeat. seriously. anyway, track 8 I think on the new l'usine is in 7. (the one with the filter opened up all the way 303 intro) hooray! gil np: dj teebee presents blacksciencelabs (and a cupa coffee) this is my life. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org