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2000-07-20 02:43stevewell, I guess I should go read a duchamp biography...anyone reccomend a good one? --------

From:: steve <saw123@ixpres.com>
To:: BEN OWEN <enenbb@hotmail.com>, <solson@risd.edu>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:43:54 -0800
Subject:: [idm] Re: dali + surrealist duchamp

well, I guess I should go read a duchamp biography...anyone reccomend a good one? ----------

quoted 5 lines From: "BEN OWEN" <enenbb@hotmail.com>

>From: "BEN OWEN" <enenbb@hotmail.com> >To: solson@risd.edu, idm@hyperreal.org, saw123@ixpres.com >Subject: dali + surrealist >Date: Wed, Jul 19, 2000, 12:55 PM >

quoted 119 lines yeah, maybe you should visit st petersburg, fl

> yeah, maybe you should visit st petersburg, fl > his work is quite different seeing it in a form other than > the poster prints (im not trying to be a smart ass) > did duchamp ever leave that cube behind? > > the biography of Remedios Varo could be of interest, > especially the politics od Breton and the lack > of art historians to clarify the work of many other > women at the time, so mistakenly grouped with the surrealist. > > > > > > >>From: "Stephen Olson" <solson@risd.edu> >>To: <idm@hyperreal.org>,<saw123@ixpres.com> >>Subject: Re: [idm] american roll call (kid vs. lex) >>Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:47:36 -0400 >> >>oh christ...dali is for 7th graders..."oh wow, this image is something and >>something else at the time! neat! and it's all hyper-realistic like a dutch >>master, but weird like a dream...i want to fuck my mom, and gala, gala >>looks like my mom, i'm an asshole" >> >>dali has not stood the test of time...there's a great deal more interesting >>work from the surrealists, and more importantly the dadaists...though maybe >>i should go to that museum in florida huh? >> >>christ with a hypercube...i suck vermeer's dick >>steve ferrari >> >> >>> "steve " <saw123@ixpres.com> 07/19/00 00:30 AM >>> >>salvador dali was/is the savior of modern art. Everything else in >>comparison is a shallow statement...where as Dali touched something so vast >>and thoroughly that you cannot be but saturated... (not to mention his >>sculptures) ...andy warhol had a factory to put icons on things....much >>modern art needs an explanation and these are usually absent. Isn't it >>warhol who said everyone gets there 15 minutes of fame...maybe because he >>knew his was closing fast.... >> >>the work of someone like Dali will live forever. a cambells soup can and >>picture of elvis or monroe is lost already on most people under 20...warhol >>was "neat" Dali is simply timeless. Pick any time for him to be >>born....now, 50 years from now... and he'd still have the same effect. >> >>I'm not saying warhol was a waste....I think he was more a celebrity than >>an >>artist though....right place right time and all that >> >>---------- >> >From: "Stephen Olson" <solson@risd.edu> >> >To: <uncutvein@hotmail.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org> >> >Subject: Re: [idm] american roll call (kid vs. lex) >> >Date: Tue, Jul 18, 2000, 8:11 PM >> > >> >> > spelling aside, you should get your facts straight...andy warholhas all >> > sorts of staying power...um, he's pretty much (along with rauschenberg, >> > johns, and duchamp) the basis for most art (2 dimensional, not to >>mention >> > warhol's influence on film, and yeh, there is one non-believers) >>conceived >> > since the 70's...they teach college level classes on him...let's just >>hope >> > they do the same for kid606 (i forget if miguel is using a space now or >>not) >> > >> > steve ferrari >> > >> > ps- soccergirl and gq on the eq rule, deal with it >> > >> > >> > >> >>>> "rob salls" <uncutvein@hotmail.com> 07/18/00 23:24 PM >>> >> > >> > Mainly as it goes, you are all looking like a bunch of twats.there >>was >> > something like 200 messages about kid hype and lex.. Then the whole >>thing of >> > saying that lex is in that ae,mas and schematic camp?? What is schematic >>but >> > a cheap imitation of ae for america?/ Then mas what for germany?/ I >>don't >> > see what you people are talking about. The fact is kid hype is nonething >>but >> > that. Look how much goes in to talk rather than music.... Lex is fine, >>sure >> > maybe his earlier stuff is very derived from obvious places, But he is >>new >> > and I am sure that will change.It takes a long time to develop your own >> > unique expression with out being taken by your surroundings interests or >> > influences. Kid on the other hand is like an andy warhol for the >>2000s(see >> > how long he will last ). And ps I don't give a shit about my spelling >>,so >> > piss off! >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >

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2000-07-21 03:56Jacob ArnoldYou should run out to the nearest library and check out Duchamp: A Biography by Calvin Tom

From:: Jacob Arnold <jacob@cnsp.com>
To:: <saw123@ixpres.com>, BEN OWEN <enenbb@hotmail.com>, <solson@risd.edu>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:56:24 -0600
Subject:: [idm] Re: dali + surrealist duchamp

You should run out to the nearest library and check out Duchamp: A Biography by Calvin Tompkins. It's a good read, even if Tompkins sounds a little snobby at times. You should know, though, that the "official version" of Duchamp's work is being disputed these days by Rhonda Roland Shearer (Stephen Jay Gould 's wife) of all people. Check out http://www.toutfait.com/ for her side of the story. I'm still not sure I buy all of her theories, but they make Duchamp's art seem much more interesting. Jacob At 4:17 PM +0000 7/20/00, idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org wrote:

quoted 25 lines Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:43:54 -0800

>Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:43:54 -0800 >To: BEN OWEN <enenbb@hotmail.com>, solson@risd.edu, idm@hyperreal.org >From: "steve " <saw123@ixpres.com> >Subject: Re: dali + surrealist duchamp >Message-Id: <200007191846.SAA92163@smtp.ixpres.com> > >well, I guess I should go read a duchamp biography...anyone reccomend a good >one? > >---------- >>From: "BEN OWEN" <enenbb@hotmail.com> >>To: solson@risd.edu, idm@hyperreal.org, saw123@ixpres.com > >Subject: dali + surrealist >>Date: Wed, Jul 19, 2000, 12:55 PM >> > >> yeah, maybe you should visit st petersburg, fl >> his work is quite different seeing it in a form other than >> the poster prints (im not trying to be a smart ass) >> did duchamp ever leave that cube behind? >> >> the biography of Remedios Varo could be of interest, >> especially the politics od Breton and the lack >> of art historians to clarify the work of many other > > women at the time, so mistakenly grouped with the surrealist.

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