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2000-07-18 15:43Peter Becker [idm] drama
├─ 2000-07-18 15:59Josh Davison Re: [idm] drama
└─ 2000-07-18 20:39Adam Piontek Re: [idm] drama
2000-07-18 15:49wells@submute.net Re: [idm] drama
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2000-07-18 15:43Peter BeckerDrama ( as Chris below describes ) is a structural dynamic of all "scenes". Players in a "
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Drama ( as Chris below describes ) is a structural dynamic of all "scenes". Players in a "scene" are, by nature, competitive to gain either favor and ultimately, control, of a "scene". It would be natural that in a "scene" with a large number of players, that strife and conflict would rear its' head. There is an innate quest for dominance and social control in the human species. Even though some may claim to be ego-free with a respect for "everyone and anyone" in their scene, I think that ultimately, human ego actually *seeks* strife and conflict. If there are many players in one "scene", all the more reason that "drama" arises. Its about dividing up slices of the ego pie. Humans are largely animal like and will kill for their share of recognition, love, and respect within their "scene". Think about it, music "scenes" are not much different than scenes found in business and government. Certain elements of togetherness, cooperation and "good times" *certainly* exist within scenes. However, anytime a large group of people get together with a common vision- the next thing to come into the picture is human ego, with a drive for control and the drivers seat. It gets all fucked up from that point forward. The "scenes" that I've had most experience with in my life have been: punk, industrial-noise, and rave. Elements ( or at least pretensions) of anarchy, diy, "no rules", independence, and autonomous thinking have been a staple philosophy of all of these musical genres/movements. Yet, in any scene I've ever witnessed, the old rules and power structures eventually take over- The best thing to do is to stay home.... ; ) Peter np: Piano Magic- Bliss Out, V 13 12" tofu@uci.edu spoke: " the socal scene is way too fucking full of drama - at all angles! for some reason we live in an area with some of THE most talented people possible: lexaunculpt, kid606 (am i allowed to put those 2 names next to eachother these days?:), brad laner, most of the plug research cast and crew (low res, phthalocyanine, mannequin lung, etc), brian lustmord, l'usine, bassland and so many many many other people (like EVERY band from the area that has played up at KUCI) --yet you put *some* of these people together in a small room and they fight like mad!..... it just gets rather frustrating to see artists that i admire quite a bit and have been following since what might be day 1 for a lot of them (i have not left my bedroom for years, okay??) fight and bicker and shit like that. the worst part is that there is, all things considered, not much in terms of a scene here -- yet rather than dropping their bs, people fight like mad......i hope other regions of the world are not QUITE this bad!.....anyway, i guess my point is -- as a fan of the music it would be nice if the personal issues could be set aside so the ideas and music can continue to come out as slick as always! " --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-18 15:59Josh Davisonsounds to me like we could all use a heaping helping of P.L.U.R. around here... -- String
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sounds to me like we could all use a heaping helping of P.L.U.R. around here... -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-18 20:39Adam PiontekOn Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:43:00 -0400, Peter Becker wrote: >dominance and social control in t
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:43:00 -0400, Peter Becker wrote:
quoted 3 lines dominance and social control in the human species. Even though some>dominance and social control in the human species. Even though some >may claim to >be ego-free with a respect for "everyone and anyone" in their scene,
claims of this sort are a way of gaining favor among certain circles ...
quoted 1 line dividing up slices of the ego pie. Humans are largely animal like and>dividing up slices of the ego pie. Humans are largely animal like and
we *are* animals :)
quoted 3 lines group of people get together with a common vision- the next thing to>group of people get together with a common vision- the next thing to >come into the picture is human ego, with a drive for control and the >drivers seat. It gets all fucked up from that point forward. The
we have the *potential* to change things. human free will is only a potential, but it's there. the thing that makes us different from other animals (perhaps the only thing) is our consciousness of our own social life and our ability to analyze it. we have the power to control our egos, but we don't know this until we learn it, nor do many choose to use their free will because temptation is great
quoted 1 line The best thing to do is to stay home.... ; )>The best thing to do is to stay home.... ; )
ah, but life without risk has no meaning ... -adam -- Adam Piontek [http://www.tcinternet.net/users/damek/] ICQ: 3456339 [damek@earthling.net] ... HEADLINE: Cereal Killer Strikes Again! Cap'n Crunch found dead! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-18 15:49wells@submute.netHahaha! That's great. Really, thanks for making my afternoon. tee heee heee "Drama is a st
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Hahaha! That's great. Really, thanks for making my afternoon. tee heee heee "Drama is a structural dynamic..." That's hilarious! Original Message: ----------------- From: Peter Becker peterb@ixpres.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Subject: [idm] drama Drama ( as Chris below describes ) is a structural dynamic of all "scenes". Players in a "scene" are, by nature, competitive to gain either favor and ultimately, control, of a "scene". It would be natural that in a "scene" with a large number of players, that strife and conflict would rear its' head. There is an innate quest for dominance and social control in the human species. Even though some may claim to be ego-free with a respect for "everyone and anyone" in their scene, ... ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org