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2000-07-09 11:44Andrew Duke [idm] DJ Spooky/Dave Clarke
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2000-07-09 14:16Mxyzptlk [idm] Re: [313] DJ Spooky/Dave Clarke
2000-07-10 19:18Simon Paul Re: [idm] DJ Spooky/Dave Clarke
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2000-07-09 11:44Andrew DukeI'm not a fan of posting negative comments, but an event I witnessed last night has made m
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I'm not a fan of posting negative comments, but an event I witnessed last night has made me make an exception: Background #1: The UK's Dave Clarke was in Halifax a couple of months back and did a stellar effects-heavy set. He scratched, used doubles, did tricks, used effects between tracks, used effects on tracks that were playing together, used effects on tracks that were playing solo. His set had dynamics, people danced from start to finish of the set, and people were incredibly enthusiastic before, during, and after his set. Background #2: I've been lucky to see quite a few DJs in my time (since 1987 when I moved from listening to records to recording and DJing it as well)--from top professionals to many novices--including novices who are in the midst of their first set--ever. Was proud to be a member of the judging panel at Halifax's 1st, 2nd, and last year's (ie 3rd) DJ Olympics (and, boy oh boy, you've not been tested till you've been asked to listen to 16 DJs play back to back sets for 20 minutes each--and judge 'em! :)) Anyway... Last night's event: I'll state for the record that I am not a fan of DJ Spooky's writing or his recorded music, but I am one to listen to everything and aimed to approach his appearance last night--here in Halifax at our yearly Jazz Festival--with open eyes, er, ears. The cover for DJ Spooky's set was $15, quite pricey (actually, the most expensive at the Jazz Fest) compared to other out of town acts which were in the $10 to $12 range (none at $15), but, regardless, I REALLY wanted to come away from his set thinking "damn, I'm into his DJing, if nothing else". I E. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt all the way. Now here's why Dave Clarke was mentioned in Background #1: In interviews DJ Spooky did this week with 2 local papers, he made much of the fact that he was going to give an (I'm para- phrasing here, not quoting from memory) "artistic journey, not a simple DJ set". That said, I was expecting sound collage/turntablism, a combination thereof; regardless, something stellar. I was right up at the front and saw that Spooky had the same set up as Dave Clarke (two turntables, a Pioneer mixer--don't know the model name, but it is the one with literally TONS of effects), plus he also had two CD players. Here is his set-list: 1. effects 2. played a bass track I couldn't ID 3. record ended, he did some effects 4. played Cronic Tronic featuring Shado-- "King Of Bass" (on Detroit's Direct Beat) 5. record ended, he did some effects 6. played "Rockafeller Skank" by Fatboy Slim (I kid you not; it was "right about now, the funk soul brother, check it out now, the funk soul brother...") 7. record ended, he did some effects 8. played a drum n bass track I couldn't ID 9. record ended, he did some effects I left at this point (he had been on for 30 minutes and had played 4 songs in full) because I just couldn't take it anymore. A) His set had absolutely no dynamics; at the point I left (see 9 above), he had some bass looping that was going on and on and getting aurally painful. B) He seemed completely unaware of it (i e he was really into his set, smiling, dancing around, pointing to the decks, etc), but if there was one word to describe his set (or the 30 minutes that I heard), it was OFF (and deservedly in capitals). People cheered and cheered before he started, they were primed and ready to have an "experience", but few danced, none cheered, and most stood around wondering what the heck was going on. And not because he was doing something (in his words) "artistic", but because he was doing a straight DJ set and it was horrible. DJ Spooky had been saying in the press that he was going to go beyond "simply playing records", but what he did was just that--simply play records--and badly at that that. Everything he did was off: he attempted a beat mix between the beat tracks, but in each case it was horribly trainwrecking, so it was like he chose to do effects between tracks instead of mixing (and the DJ on before him did a good job, so I'm sure it wasn't the setup or the sound). His EQing was off, all of his tricks were off (dropouts, chops, transforms, scratches, etc), and it just sounded like someone said to him "hey, never djed before? no problem, just play records and use this mixer to do lots of effects between the tracks. nuthin' to it". His use of effects was just *noise*, there was no sculpting of sound (as Dave Clarke did many a time during his set) or sense that DJ Spooky had control or knew what he was doing. It was painful to listen to. And not in the Merzbow/Whitehouse/etc sense of testing our hearing vs pain thresholds, but painful in the "this is horribly done" sense! Many in the crowd went to see DJ Spooky because of his "artistic" angle (and he does mention this, so it makes sense that people would do so), and thus many in the crowd weren't the same type of people who saw Dave Clarke or would be up on turntablism/etc. But I was super disappointed that so many paid $15 last night to see someone who sounded like it was his first time between a mixing system, and that they might come away thinking that what DJ Spooky did was art! Dave Clarke and Mix Master Mike put together sets artistically, so it's not like DJ Spooky can claim an excuse. In the end, I'm hoping that many of those people will come to see Detroit's Claude Young when he plays here this coming July 20th so they can see that, despite what DJ Spooky says in the press, judging from last night, he doesn't dj "art", he is just a mediocre DJ who is being booked on the basis of his writing and/or music-making. If I were judging the two, Dave Clarke would have gotten a 95% for his techno set here recently, and DJ Spooky would have gotten a 5% (and I'm not exagerrating here by using 5%; at the last DJ Olympics, there were a number of DJs who I scored 5 points out of 60; I'm hard to please but I treat everyone the same and fairly :)) for his electro/drum n bass set last night. My question after all this blather: was last night an atypical DJ Spooky set, or is he truly someone who shouldn't be DJing? Thanks. Andrew Duke -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix mailto:cognition@techno.ca http://techno.ca/cognition 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-09 18:34Wendy K2 cents gotta get thrown in here... I met DJ Spooky in 1994 when he was a journalist/ad sp
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2 cents gotta get thrown in here... I met DJ Spooky in 1994 when he was a journalist/ad space sales person for the Village Voice (sorry if you check this list, Paul)... I was working with a musician from Germany Cosmic Baby, who he was really excited about. Went to see Spooky perform in NY in an art sculpture garden in that south of houston ghetto area 3rd and avenue B or something like that during the last new music semonar... The concept was he had 2 or 3 decks on one side of the room and another guy another couple on the opposite side. From a sound generating point it was at most a lotta noise. From an arts persepctive ala John Cage/Found Noise, it was inneresting. More enjoyable was the water sculpture in the garden. Later heard him DJ about 97 at Sprawl in London -if memory serves me - it was quite dissonant, he handed me one of his CD's at the time, bout the same. But I like people like Jeff Noon/David Toop and the experimental school/illbient music or whatever name you wanna hang onnit. Spooky also writes for artbytes under his real name. He is really good at delivering the message to the media via interviews. He understands media manipulation, interviews & hype.. Sadly, when he opened for Coldcut during the Reich Remixed launch in April of 99 at Irving Plaza, I had caught a miserable spring cold on the plane & the nyc rain the day before, and damn, I missed his set, although many reported a certain blandness to it...(but got there for Coldcut who kicked it with their audio visuals - in fact saw many a jaw dropping when they realised it was the VISuals making the sound, not the music itself) I dont think Spooky proclaims or could even come close to the same kind of dj that Dave Clarke is (and I went around the UK for two years judging mixing competitions from 90-92 as rap editor of mixmag, and a journo on that scene, and yes watching dj's mix with just about everything in a row for an evening can be a bit ear shattering) - I must have attended five years of New Music Seminar Mixing Championships in NYC between 86 - 92 watching some of the best - including Cash Money - who for my money is over rated, but again knows what time it is (ie sometimes you can get more for hype than delivering) Spooky is good as an ambassador of hype. He is good at making interesting noises. Why he even coined it illbient. Cause it's ill. (not illin') What was it public enemy once said, 'dont believe the hype' ? Just so you dont feel bad for having paid good cashola, I've walked out of many an electronic/ambient/arts noise sculpture performance having paid good money, just cause i thought the whole thing was erh, boring... I myself have been known to crash a few trains when mixing...I spose it's all what expectation you go to a show with.... ok, i've dropped too many names now, sorry..... http://www.ninjatune.net coldcut on da radio mon nite 12am-2am gmt http://www.bbc.co.uk/londonlive http://www.worldtimezone.com zentertainment: wed nite 9pm - 1am gmt http://www.piratetv.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-09 14:16MxyzptlkI've heard some great things about DJ Spooky, but had never heard him spin until DEMF. I h
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I've heard some great things about DJ Spooky, but had never heard him spin until DEMF. I have to say that his was the most bland and forgettable (imo) show I saw down there and I saw the bulk of them. Most of it was old stuff done without flair or a sense of flow. Later I was talking with a well known Detroit DJ and he agreed (as did another DEMF performer with whom I spoke the next day), so it wasn't simply me. I'd have been more interested in hearing his old "death trip" stuff than the washed out material he played - and apparently it wasn't just me. My friend Ed and I walked away (lloking for better fare, which was easily found there) scratching our heads and figuring it was either all hype or Spooky lost whatever he had which gave him a good rep. Maybe it was an off day? Doesn't sound like it according to what you said. jeff Andrew Duke wrote:
quoted 6 lines My question after all this blather: was last night an atypical DJ> > > My question after all this blather: was last night an atypical DJ > Spooky > set, or is he truly someone who shouldn't be DJing? >
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2000-07-10 19:18Simon Paulis it that time of year already? I've seen DJ spooky a couple of times and the shows were
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is it that time of year already? I've seen DJ spooky a couple of times and the shows were really good. not so much a dj set but records played, effects used etc etc. disjointed? yes. very nice especially with scanner. a friend of mine hates spooky but saw him in support of the 'hip-hop' album(which I don't like) and he loved it, and this guy is pickier and more jaded than well, anybody.. at the spooky/scanner show, which I and my wife loved (no dancing mind you), another friend of mine left wondering whether or not he 'liked' it...I purchased a couple of his mixed tapes at the spooky scanner show and one was fabulous, abstract yet coherent and well done, the other was poorly mixed reggae on one side and 'okay' mixed jungle on the other.He's not a Qbert, he's not a Koala, he's not a Hawtin. He has his own strengths and weaknesses. it's not dance music...so maybe he's closer to Koala..sans humour. Andrew Duke wrote:
quoted 133 lines I'm not a fan of posting negative comments,> I'm not a fan of posting negative comments, > but an event I witnessed last night has made > me make an exception: > > Background #1: The UK's Dave Clarke was in > Halifax a couple of months back and did a stellar > effects-heavy set. He scratched, used doubles, > did tricks, used effects between tracks, used effects > on tracks that were playing together, used effects > on tracks that were playing solo. His set had dynamics, > people danced from start to finish of the set, and people > were incredibly enthusiastic before, during, and after his > set. > > Background #2: I've been lucky to see quite a few > DJs in my time (since 1987 when I moved from listening to > records to recording and DJing it as well)--from top > professionals to many novices--including novices who are > in the midst of their first set--ever. Was proud to be a member of > the judging panel at Halifax's 1st, 2nd, and last year's > (ie 3rd) DJ Olympics (and, boy oh boy, you've not > been tested till you've been asked to listen to 16 DJs > play back to back sets for 20 minutes each--and judge 'em! :)) > Anyway... > > Last night's event: I'll state for the record that I am > not a fan of DJ Spooky's writing or his recorded music, > but I am one to listen to everything and aimed to approach > his appearance last night--here in Halifax at our yearly Jazz > Festival--with open eyes, er, ears. The cover for DJ Spooky's > set was $15, quite pricey (actually, the most expensive at the > Jazz Fest) compared to other out of town acts which were in > the $10 to $12 range (none at $15), but, regardless, I REALLY > wanted to come away from his set thinking "damn, I'm into his > DJing, if nothing else". I E. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt > all the way. > > Now here's why Dave Clarke was mentioned in Background > #1: In interviews DJ Spooky did this week with 2 local papers, > he made much of the fact that he was going to give an (I'm para- > phrasing here, not quoting from memory) "artistic journey, not > a simple DJ set". That said, I was expecting sound collage/turntablism, > > a combination thereof; regardless, something stellar. > > I was right up at the front and saw that Spooky had the same > set up as Dave Clarke (two turntables, a Pioneer mixer--don't know > the model name, but it is the one with literally TONS of effects), plus > he also had two CD players. > > Here is his set-list: > > 1. effects > 2. played a bass track I couldn't ID > 3. record ended, he did some effects > 4. played Cronic Tronic featuring Shado-- > "King Of Bass" (on Detroit's Direct Beat) > 5. record ended, he did some effects > 6. played "Rockafeller Skank" by Fatboy Slim (I kid > you not; it was "right about now, the funk soul > brother, check it out now, the funk soul brother...") > 7. record ended, he did some effects > 8. played a drum n bass track I couldn't ID > 9. record ended, he did some effects > > I left at this point (he had been on for 30 minutes and > had played 4 songs in full) because I just couldn't take it > anymore. A) His set had absolutely no dynamics; at > the point I left (see 9 above), he had some bass looping > that was going on and on and getting aurally painful. B) > He seemed completely unaware of it (i e he was really into > his set, smiling, dancing around, pointing to the decks, etc), > but if there was one word to describe his set (or the 30 minutes > that I heard), it was OFF (and deservedly in capitals). People > cheered and cheered before he started, they were primed and > ready to have an "experience", but few danced, none cheered, > and most stood around wondering what the heck was going on. > And not because he was doing something (in his words) "artistic", > but because he was doing a straight DJ set and it was horrible. > DJ Spooky had been saying in the press that he was going to go beyond > "simply playing records", but what he did was just that--simply > play records--and badly at that that. Everything he did was off: > he attempted a beat mix between the beat tracks, but in each case > it was horribly trainwrecking, so it was like he chose to do effects > between tracks instead of mixing (and the DJ on before him did > a good job, so I'm sure it wasn't the setup or the sound). His > EQing was off, all of his tricks were off (dropouts, chops, transforms, > scratches, etc), and it just sounded like someone said to him "hey, > never djed before? no problem, just play records and use this mixer > to do lots of effects between the tracks. nuthin' to it". His use of > effects > was just *noise*, there was no sculpting of sound (as Dave Clarke > did many a time during his set) or sense that DJ Spooky had control > or knew what he was doing. It was painful to listen to. And not in > the Merzbow/Whitehouse/etc sense of testing our hearing vs pain > thresholds, but painful in the "this is horribly done" sense! Many in > the > crowd went to see DJ Spooky because of his "artistic" angle (and > he does mention this, so it makes sense that people would do so), > and thus many in the crowd weren't the same type of people who > saw Dave Clarke or would be up on turntablism/etc. But I was > super disappointed that so many paid $15 last night to see someone > who sounded like it was his first time between a mixing system, and > that they might come away thinking that what DJ Spooky did was art! > Dave Clarke and Mix Master Mike put together sets artistically, > so it's not like DJ Spooky can claim an excuse. In the end, I'm hoping > that many of those people will come to see Detroit's Claude Young > when he plays here this coming July 20th so they can see that, > despite what DJ Spooky says in the press, judging from last night, > he doesn't dj "art", he is just a mediocre DJ who is being booked > on the basis of his writing and/or music-making. If I were judging the > two, Dave Clarke would have gotten a 95% for his techno set here > recently, and DJ Spooky would have gotten a 5% (and I'm not > exagerrating here by using 5%; at the last DJ Olympics, there were > a number of DJs who I scored 5 points out of 60; I'm hard to please > but I treat everyone the same and fairly :)) for his electro/drum n bass > > set last night. > > My question after all this blather: was last night an atypical DJ > Spooky > set, or is he truly someone who shouldn't be DJing? > > Thanks. Andrew Duke > -- > Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix > mailto:cognition@techno.ca > http://techno.ca/cognition > 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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