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2000-05-11 20:51Josh Davison [idm] what makes a good record good
2000-05-11 21:25aaron [idm] on the Ae thing
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2000-05-11 20:51Josh Davisonsomebody mentioned "i care because you do" in a post yesterday and it made me decide to go
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somebody mentioned "i care because you do" in a post yesterday and it made me decide to go back for my bi-annual listen to that record ... i think it might be my vote for the most solid electronic record of the 1990's. but without turning this into a Spin/VH1 style artist-cock suck-fest let me explain what i think makes this record so so strong. since the material spans such a great amount of time (4 years by the dates on the back) there is such a wide variety of sounds and styles represented that it's hard to digest it all in one, two, three, probably even fifty sittings. so it gives you something to come back to. i notice something different every time i listen to it. like how there's this really nice melody hidden behind that squeal and chaos that runs all through 'ventolin'. or the macintalk computer voices buried in the mix on 'cow cud is a twin'. anyway, more albums should be as faceted and layered as this one is. josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-11 21:25aaronon the same Ae cloning thing.. certainly many people may model after or be severly influen
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on the same Ae cloning thing.. certainly many people may model after or be severly influenced by Ae's music.. but does that really mean they need to model thier song naming scheme after it? why is it that most new IDM artists need to reference tons of numbers and nonsensical words into song names? what ever happened to naming a song after or related to it's inspiration? or target feeling? all these "ikzart 4" and "melydo" silly letter mixing song names keep getting on my nerves.. i'd rather see people name songs after something i have no clue as to what it's in reference to i.e. "jennifer" or "a long time away from home" and have them even SEEM to mean something.. i think it adds a bit to the value of it.. the more wack names i see.. the less i remember the name.. also.. the less i seem to associate almost ANY type of humanity to it.. anyone else agree? disagree? aaron systorm technologies www.systorm.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-11 22:23Josh Davisonit's just a fad, people will move on to the next style as soon as somebody makes on up ...
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it's just a fad, people will move on to the next style as soon as somebody makes on up ... but really think about where song titles have traditionally come from. back in the day, songs had lyrics (that's when people "sing" over the music for those of you who have been listening to autechre) and you'd take the title from a line in the lyrics. other times people would write a song based on a place or a person (like Mozart -- he's got a symphony called "Prague" for instance). but alot of the music i write --er, construct-- basically comes about as a series of happy technological accidents rather than a pre-existing vision so coming up with a title for the piece of music will happen in the same way. if i do have an emotion associated with the song, I'll come up with words that evoke that emotion for the title. sometimes i get names from my gear ... most digital instruments do not supply an ASCII type keyboard so you're stuck entering names through these convoluted processes like "type the 3 key four times for the letter 'f'" or tapping in letters from your controller keyboard. It's very easy to mess up a title and from there it's very easy to say "hey that glitchy title looks really kool" because you saw a title with a name like that on the latest Ae release... anyway that's a large part of it anyway. i consciously try to NOT come up with names that sound like autechre titles (or aphex twin titles -- you know, the funny anagrams and computer symbols) because I don't want to get yelled at by IDM-L headz (hehehehe) so most of my song titles come from science, physics, bad jokes and chicago landmarks. stay away. mine. splaen, glixbo, prlo6bim. josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Thu, 11 May 2000, aaron wrote:
quoted 32 lines on the same Ae cloning thing..> on the same Ae cloning thing.. > certainly many people may model after or be severly influenced by Ae's > music.. > but does that really mean they need to model thier song naming scheme after > it? > why is it that most new IDM artists need to reference tons of numbers and > nonsensical words into song names? > what ever happened to naming a song after or related to it's inspiration? or > target feeling? > > all these "ikzart 4" and "melydo" silly letter mixing song names keep > getting on my nerves.. > i'd rather see people name songs after something i have no clue as to what > it's in reference to > i.e. "jennifer" or "a long time away from home" and have them even SEEM to > mean something.. > i think it adds a bit to the value of it.. the more wack names i see.. the > less i remember the name.. > also.. the less i seem to associate almost ANY type of humanity to it.. > > anyone else agree? disagree? > > aaron > systorm technologies > www.systorm.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-05-12 03:48Eyal DechterI have a feeling that some of the IDM artists out there name their songs with screwed up n
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I have a feeling that some of the IDM artists out there name their songs with screwed up names because they don't have any inspiration. Come on, how much inspiration do you need to come up with some of the really bad shitty IDM out there. -----Original Message----- From: aaron [mailto:step@systorm.com] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 2:26 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] on the Ae thing on the same Ae cloning thing.. certainly many people may model after or be severly influenced by Ae's music.. but does that really mean they need to model thier song naming scheme after it? why is it that most new IDM artists need to reference tons of numbers and nonsensical words into song names? what ever happened to naming a song after or related to it's inspiration? or target feeling? all these "ikzart 4" and "melydo" silly letter mixing song names keep getting on my nerves.. i'd rather see people name songs after something i have no clue as to what it's in reference to i.e. "jennifer" or "a long time away from home" and have them even SEEM to mean something.. i think it adds a bit to the value of it.. the more wack names i see.. the less i remember the name.. also.. the less i seem to associate almost ANY type of humanity to it.. anyone else agree? disagree? aaron systorm technologies www.systorm.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-11 21:38Twine soundppl should continue to name their tracks how they want too... greg >From: "aaron" <step@sy
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ppl should continue to name their tracks how they want too... greg
quoted 37 lines From: "aaron" <step@systorm.com>>From: "aaron" <step@systorm.com> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] on the Ae thing >Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:25:30 -0400 > >on the same Ae cloning thing.. >certainly many people may model after or be severly influenced by Ae's >music.. >but does that really mean they need to model thier song naming scheme after >it? >why is it that most new IDM artists need to reference tons of numbers and >nonsensical words into song names? >what ever happened to naming a song after or related to it's inspiration? >or >target feeling? > >all these "ikzart 4" and "melydo" silly letter mixing song names keep >getting on my nerves.. >i'd rather see people name songs after something i have no clue as to what >it's in reference to >i.e. "jennifer" or "a long time away from home" and have them even SEEM to >mean something.. >i think it adds a bit to the value of it.. the more wack names i see.. the >less i remember the name.. >also.. the less i seem to associate almost ANY type of humanity to it.. > >anyone else agree? disagree? > >aaron >systorm technologies >www.systorm.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-05-11 21:42Giles Ward> why is it that most new IDM artists need to reference tons of numbers and > nonsensical
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quoted 2 lines why is it that most new IDM artists need to reference tons of numbers and> why is it that most new IDM artists need to reference tons of numbers and > nonsensical words into song names?
cos it's easy, much like dicking around with software synths and plugins. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-11 21:49Ernesto Ikerd>anyone else agree? disagree? Yeah, right on! and what about these 'album covers' huh? Its
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quoted 1 line anyone else agree? disagree?>anyone else agree? disagree?
Yeah, right on! and what about these 'album covers' huh? Its like I just bought this record and it doesnt even have a real picture on it, just some squiggly lines and bullshit blurry pictures or whatever. Its like, Ok, if im going to sell my blood plasma for music-money to buy some CDs, I want a freaking picture of something real, like a landscape, or a nice oil painting or cute puppy or kitty cat or an inspirational poem, not some art-school foofy-farty Jackson Pollock vomit spin-art collage with cut up photos and smudgy Xerox inserts!!!! screw that!!!! are you with me everybody!?! HUH! ernie Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-4202 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company Fort Worth, Texas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-11 21:51gideon@catalystmedia.comaaron wrote: > why is it that most new IDM artists need to reference tons of numbers and >
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quoted 4 lines why is it that most new IDM artists need to reference tons of numbers and> why is it that most new IDM artists need to reference tons of numbers and > nonsensical words into song names? > what ever happened to naming a song after or related to it's inspiration? or > target feeling?
I believe that the majority of IDM is 'discovered' not written. I used to play guitar in bands... back then I wrote music, now I create music - the recorded piece is the results of my exploration. Many electronic artists use the medium as the inspiration - whereas a cheesy lite rock song will be inspired by some lost love... :) So... the names are secondary and if their aren't vocal samples in the piece (which often dictate titles), then the artist simply pulls the title out of the air or their surroundings... shich is a lot of acronyms, computer terminology, letters, numbers, etc. Another reason, is that many of them crank out a lot of tracks and they don't always connect with a piece on a title level - the begin a piece not knowing what it will be about, name it any ole name while they are building it - then when it is done, they are already thinking about new tracks - so that last one is put asside... and onto another musical abstraction! Sonic Wallpaper _______________________ http://www.sonicwallpaper.com http://www.mp3.com/live http://www.mp3.com/remixes http://www.mp3.com/junglewarfare http://www.mp3.com/sonicwallpaper http://www.mp3.com/projectcathedral --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-11 21:53Loptimiste@aol.comIn a message dated 5/11/00 5:44:19 PM, gilesw@clara.co.uk writes: << cos it's easy, much l
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In a message dated 5/11/00 5:44:19 PM, gilesw@clara.co.uk writes: << cos it's easy, much like dicking around with software synths and plugins.
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Wouuld you explain the "easiness" of dicking around with software synths? This intrigues me. Especially after using synths like Reaktor, which has my mind boggled more than any analog synth, which I think are about as user friendly as it gets. Strangely enough, Reaktor gives you more bang for the buck than any "hardware" synth out there. Same goes for the Koblo programs. Excellent sounding monosynths for the price. I guess you're just uninformed, or just another elitist that needs a foot or two up his ass. Sorry, I'm in a bad mood, I got my wisdom teeth out today. So, disregard that last comment. You just made an ass out of yourself, and it wasn't even that witty. Jared --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-11 22:33Giles Ward> << cos it's easy, much like dicking around with software synths and plugins. > >> > > Wo
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quoted 1 line << cos it's easy, much like dicking around with software synths and> << cos it's easy, much like dicking around with software synths and
plugins.
quoted 3 lines Wouuld you explain the "easiness" of dicking around with software synths?> >> > > Wouuld you explain the "easiness" of dicking around with software synths?
Loading in random porno pics to a picture-to-sound app like Metasynth or Coagula is pretty easy to get some squiggly noises. But was that last year's fad? How about these granular synthesis apps? Give it a break downloaded from somewhere like http://www.113audio.com/ and twiddle some parameters and hey - it's an IDM loop (or song if you're feeling particularly lazy). Why do you think V/VM gave one away with every copy of one of their releases? How about a twiddle on the famous Hyperprism blue screen? Not exactly challenging.
quoted 1 line This intrigues me. Especially after using synths like Reaktor, which has> This intrigues me. Especially after using synths like Reaktor, which has
my
quoted 2 lines mind boggled more than any analog synth, which I think are about as user> mind boggled more than any analog synth, which I think are about as user > friendly as it gets. Strangely enough, Reaktor gives you more bang for
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quoted 1 line buck than any "hardware" synth out there.> buck than any "hardware" synth out there.
Indeed it does - ignoring the fact that you need a decent computer to run it. I'm not against soft synths, it's just that courtesy of folks like Radium, loads of people have the same tools available to them. Combine that with the ability to distribute it over the net and you have a the equivalent of digital TV - 200 channels of mostly shite programs. Just as there's only so much money to make quality telly, the thinner you spread it the crappier the quality, and the harder it is to find the good stuff.
quoted 2 lines Same goes for the Koblo programs. Excellent sounding monosynths for the> Same goes for the Koblo programs. Excellent sounding monosynths for the > price.
I'm not saying the software's shit.
quoted 1 line I guess you're just uninformed, or just another elitist that needs a foot> I guess you're just uninformed, or just another elitist that needs a foot
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quoted 6 lines two up his ass.> two up his ass. > > Sorry, I'm in a bad mood, I got my wisdom teeth out today. So, disregard > that last comment. > > You just made an ass out of yourself, and it wasn't even that witty.
Arsecandle. Will that do?
quoted 3 lines I've recently come to the conclusion that software synths are completely> I've recently come to the conclusion that software synths are completely > useless. They hold no value, whatsoever. The only way to make > groundbreaking music is to shun new technology.
Well if you're going to chuck them away, it's a good job you probably didn't pay for them!
quoted 1 line That's why it's 1100$ for a 303. And The same for 808's and 909's. And> That's why it's 1100$ for a 303. And The same for 808's and 909's. And
the
quoted 2 lines same for juno 106's. It's all hype. Software synths have so much more> same for juno 106's. It's all hype. Software synths have so much more > flexibility for the price. And if analog is the only thing you'll listen
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quoted 3 lines then you're stuck in the past. Hardly ground breaking.> then you're stuck in the past. Hardly ground breaking. > > F*ck *n*l*g.
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2000-05-11 22:42Josh DavisonOn Thu, 11 May 2000, Giles Ward wrote: > Loading in random porno pics to a picture-to-soun
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quoted 4 lines Loading in random porno pics to a picture-to-sound app like Metasynth or> Loading in random porno pics to a picture-to-sound app like Metasynth or > Coagula is pretty easy to get some squiggly noises. But was that last > year's fad? >
goddammit i thought i was the only one who came up with that idea. tip: nipples sound better if you punch up the contrast by 50% -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-11 22:36Loptimiste@aol.comgiles and i shall take this offlist. -----------------------------------------------------
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2000-05-12 01:42Michael Upton>===== Original Message From "aaron" <step@systorm.com> ===== >why is it that most new IDM
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quoted 1 line ===== Original Message From "aaron" <step@systorm.com> =====>===== Original Message From "aaron" <step@systorm.com> =====
quoted 4 lines why is it that most new IDM artists need to reference tons of numbers and>why is it that most new IDM artists need to reference tons of numbers and >nonsensical words into song names? >what ever happened to naming a song after or related to it's inspiration? or >target feeling?
I have to say I at least find these kinds of names easy to ignore, while some stuff just makes me cringe, and honestly negatively affects how I respond to the music. As should be clear, I'm not a fan of called everything "tran/p" and "MOAX 4", but, well, my counter-example would definitely be Locust. What is UP with 'Truth is born of arguments'?? 'The Love You Cruelly Gave Me Would Not Last'? 'I Feel Cold Inside Because Of The Things You Say'? ... reading those, looking at the cover and then checking out the music, I really hope the packaging is just a piss-take. Still, there's not even Morrissey level wit to indicate he's not entirely serious. So I guess all I'm really saying is that if someone's inspiration is something I find obnoxious, I'd prefer not to find out about it and let the music say its own thing. Re: this being elitism or back seat driving, I think it's good to be honest. I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm saying what I don't like. That's a big difference, IMO. Michael -+- Involve Records http://involve.co.nz Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-12 04:04Twine soundexactly right! greg >From: gideon@catalystmedia.com >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [
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exactly right! greg
quoted 49 lines From: gideon@catalystmedia.com>From: gideon@catalystmedia.com >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] on the Ae thing >Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:51:57 -0700 > > > >aaron wrote: > > > why is it that most new IDM artists need to reference tons of numbers >and > > nonsensical words into song names? > > what ever happened to naming a song after or related to it's >inspiration? or > > target feeling? > >I believe that the majority of IDM is 'discovered' not written. I used >to play guitar in bands... back then I wrote music, now I create music - >the recorded piece is the results of my exploration. > >Many electronic artists use the medium as the inspiration - whereas a >cheesy lite rock song will be inspired by some lost love... :) > >So... the names are secondary and if their aren't vocal samples in the >piece (which often dictate titles), then the artist simply pulls the >title out of the air or their surroundings... shich is a lot of >acronyms, computer terminology, letters, numbers, etc. > >Another reason, is that many of them crank out a lot of tracks and they >don't always connect with a piece on a title level - the begin a piece >not knowing what it will be about, name it any ole name while they are >building it - then when it is done, they are already thinking about new >tracks - so that last one is put asside... and onto another musical >abstraction! > > >Sonic Wallpaper >_______________________ >http://www.sonicwallpaper.com >http://www.mp3.com/live >http://www.mp3.com/remixes >http://www.mp3.com/junglewarfare >http://www.mp3.com/sonicwallpaper >http://www.mp3.com/projectcathedral > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-05-12 04:34Loptimiste@aol.comI guess the bottom line of this discussion (at least for me), is that who cares what a ban
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I guess the bottom line of this discussion (at least for me), is that who cares what a band wants to call themselves, or their albums, or their music, or their children? As long as the music is good (another subjective thing there), then who cares? <<Re: this being elitism or back seat driving, I think it's good to be honest. I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm saying what I don't like. That's a big difference, IMO.>> There is a big difference. And I'm glad you've clarified that. It's good to be honest, but what good does it do to be insulting to other people about their musical choices? Ah well. By the way, that comment wasn't necessarily directed at you. Jared "Ignoring criticism leads to self-contentment. Self-contentment leads to atrophy." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org