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2000-05-09 17:44Dave O'Toole [idm] [Fwd: Returned post for idm@hyperreal.org]
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2000-05-10 00:38Michael Upton RE: [idm] [Fwd: Returned post for idm@hyperreal.org]
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2000-05-09 17:44Dave O'ToolePardon me... the first time I sent this, I think my mail address was set wrong so it didn'
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Pardon me... the first time I sent this, I think my mail address was set wrong so it didn't get accepted. Hope it works this time. I think the main gripe some people have is the Autechre imitators out there. I don't see having an influence in Autechre as a bad thing for any artist, though obviously I'm talking about people who are both drawing on Ae and innovating in and of themselves (and not just "knockoffs".) In an interview with Autechre that I've read, they acknowledged that some artists do imitate them, especially in America. But one of them (forget whether is was Booth or Brown) said that imitation and working in established styles is usually how talented artists cut their teeth and get started, before producing their real "ouevre." But there's also just plain crappy imitation. Luckily it's easy to tell them apart, as long as you really listen to it and don't just shut it off the minute it reminds you of Autechre. I think a good pop-music contrast would be the Beatles (particularly their more weird period.) Brilliant stuff, some of their experimental material presaged developments in electronic music that wouldn't happen for years. Many, many bands exhibit Beatles influences. The opener on Wilco's recent "Being there" double album has some very subtle beatles-ish overtones; some weird things with sound on the later parts of the album also remind me. I do not see this as bad, because the influence is only part of Wilco. Contrast this with Oasis, who seem to have just about zero original ideas. Everything they do is borrowed from the Beatles, including their only decent song ("Wonderwall"), written by George Harrison if I remember correctly. I think the Autechre issue can be somewhat more frustrating since IMO they have produced few really good tracks after "Cichlisuite", which even then was beginning to get uneven. Some have suggested overinvolvement with software as the cause of their lack of focus; some people think it's just burnout. I have no clue myself. Autechre's consistency dropped to the point where their last two albums (counting the full-length EP7) have only had about four or five good tracks each, with the rest being crap. (IMO EP7 could have really been an EP, with just RPEG, OUTPT, DROPP, and PIR.) I get the impression from some of my musician friends that we're now waiting for Autechre's successor--not just someone who sounds like Ae but better, but someone who blows us away and defines a fresh style while also producing timeless music. I think when this happens it will come out of left field--maybe from someone who learned how to make electronic music by imitiating autechre, but who branched out and started something new. Keep in mind that even autechre's early stuff, while still stellar, borrows from what was going on at the time. Then they diverged and became amazing. -- @@@ david o'toole @@@ dto@gnu.org @@@ www.gnu.org/software/octal -- @@@ david o'toole @@@ dto@gnu.org @@@ www.gnu.org/software/octal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-09 19:37Cesium5Hz@aol.com> I get the impression from some of my musician friends that we're now > waiting for Autec
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quoted 5 lines I get the impression from some of my musician friends that we're now> I get the impression from some of my musician friends that we're now > waiting for Autechre's successor--not just someone who sounds like Ae > but better, but someone who blows us away and defines a fresh style > while also producing timeless music. I think when this happens it will > come out of left field--
His name is Vladislav Delay. A_Zed _________________________________________ Program Co-ordinator, Ambient Zone RTRFM 92.1 Sunday Electronic Listening [http://rtrfm.ii.net] Perth, W.Aust (WST) 23.00-01.00 Detroit (EST) 10.00-12.00 Frankfurt (CET)/ London(GMT)16.00-18.00 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-10 00:38Michael Upton>===== Original Message From Cesium5Hz@aol.com ===== >> I get the impression from some of
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quoted 6 lines ===== Original Message From Cesium5Hz@aol.com =====>===== Original Message From Cesium5Hz@aol.com ===== >> I get the impression from some of my musician friends that we're now >> waiting for Autechre's successor--not just someone who sounds like Ae >> but better, but someone who blows us away and defines a fresh style >> while also producing timeless music. I think when this happens it will >> come out of left field--
quoted 1 line His name is Vladislav Delay.>His name is Vladislav Delay.
Yeah, I've got to say this wouldn't surprise me. Someone with a wide range of influences and interests, including plenty outside electronic music; someone who has a process unlike most acts talked about on here; someone whose music is popular among those who have heard... it all fits. Michael -+- Involve Records http://involve.co.nz Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org