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1999-09-13 14:31(idm) 'breakbeat' defined
1999-09-13 14:46Andrew Duke Re: (idm) 'breakbeat' defined
1999-09-14 11:53.daevid. Re: (idm) 'breakbeat' defined
└─ 1999-09-15 18:37Irene McC Re: (idm) 'breakbeat' defined
1999-09-15 18:57William VanLoo Re: (idm) 'breakbeat' defined
└─ 1999-09-17 02:01Jeff Davis <pHlow> Re: (idm) 'breakbeat' defined
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1999-09-13 14:31supine@mail.bway.neti wonder if someone could take me aside and explain what really defines 'breakbeat' (or po
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i wonder if someone could take me aside and explain what really defines 'breakbeat' (or point me towards a site that might be helpful) thanks, and apologies to the rest of you kurt
1999-09-13 14:46Andrew Dukekurt: the original hip hop djs noticed that the most popular part of the songs they were p
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kurt: the original hip hop djs noticed that the most popular part of the songs they were playing were the "breaks" ie. the part where it drops down to just the "meat" of the percussion (ie where the percussion is all there in the groove and at its best). they started using double copies of records to go back and forth between the breaks of their records so that the breaks would be longer. so say they were playing a track with a juicy 4 bar break, they would let that play on one turntable, then when that ended, on their second turntable play the break *again* from their *second* copy of the same record, then go back to their first copy of the record on the first 'table and play the break again, etc. breakbeats and breaks refer to the same thing, thus james brown saying "let's break it down", "break it down" etc, he's referring to the musicians to all stop to let the drummer "give 'em some" ie. do his thing. anyway, producers in the 80s and 90s clued in that they could sample the best breaks from classics like james brown's funky drummer, led zeppelin's when the levee breaks (sorta ironic title in hindsight, eh?), etc, etc, etc, so you'll hear pop songs like alanis morrisette et al with a led zep break or james brown break looped throughout, plus you also have had producers do breakbeat tracks where the emphasis has the break looped more in the foreground, as opposed to the background like alanis et al are doing. coldcut's beats and pieces, for example, was the first track to use led zepelin's break from when the levee breaks to show best what i'm talking about here. much of the early "trip hop" was essentially breaks with some stuff on top, same for some hip hop. much of the early jungle just took the incredible bongo band's break from their track "amen" and looped it, now producers use ReCycle and other programs to chop up this break (check hrvatski's oiseaux 96-98 for some fine examples), but it's still break oriented in the end. hope this helps (and makes sense! :) andrew duke supine@mail.bway.net wrote:
quoted 7 lines i wonder if someone could take me aside and explain> i wonder if someone could take me aside and explain > what really defines 'breakbeat' > (or point me towards a site that might be helpful) > > thanks, and apologies to the rest of you > > kurt
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1999-09-14 11:53.daevid.> From: cognition@ns.sympatico.ca (Andrew Duke) > Subject: Re: (idm) 'breakbeat' defined <
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quoted 2 lines From: cognition@ns.sympatico.ca (Andrew Duke)> From: cognition@ns.sympatico.ca (Andrew Duke) > Subject: Re: (idm) 'breakbeat' defined
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quoted 6 lines do his thing. anyway, producers in the 80s> do his thing. anyway, producers in the 80s > and 90s clued in that they could sample > the best breaks from classics like james > brown's funky drummer, led zeppelin's > when the levee breaks (sorta ironic title > in hindsight, eh?)
sort of ironic, eh? well, yes, especially if you take into account that that led zep track was a cover of a classic blues song originally recorded by Memphis Minnie in 1928. you can find it down on various Yazoo Records blues compilations. if she only knew now what she hath wrought... dae.vid oh, the Memphis Minnie track wasn't quite as heavy on the breaks, though... · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · please revise the search criteria and resubmit the request.
1999-09-15 18:37Irene McC> led zeppelin's > when the levee breaks On 14 Sep 99, .daevid. wrote re: Re: (idm) 'break
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quoted 1 line led zeppelin's > when the levee breaks> led zeppelin's > when the levee breaks
On 14 Sep 99, .daevid. wrote re: Re: (idm) 'breakbeat' defined:
quoted 4 lines sort of ironic, eh? well, yes, especially if you take into> > sort of ironic, eh? well, yes, especially if you take into > account that that led zep track was a cover of a classic blues > song originally recorded by Memphis Minnie in 1928.
And even stranger, consider that 4AD put out a Kristin Hersh cover of this as well, on the Ghost EP (her Mike Stipe collab). Still a good tune :-) I *
1999-09-15 18:57William VanLoo> And even stranger, consider that 4AD put out a Kristin Hersh cover > of this as well, on
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quoted 2 lines And even stranger, consider that 4AD put out a Kristin Hersh cover> And even stranger, consider that 4AD put out a Kristin Hersh cover > of this as well, on the Ghost EP (her Mike Stipe collab).
Still stranger is the fact that Mu-ziq sampled Hersh's "your ghost" for the sublime track "Phiesope" (from the In Pine Effect album). Well, maybe it's not so strange, but this "chain of events" thing is a fun thread. Bill / dj marathon -- AppNet MidWest Interactive [formerly Sigma6] / http://www.appnet.com dj sets at: http://www.smallfish.co.uk/pondlife/issue3.html http://www.detroitpeoplemover.com
1999-09-17 02:01Jeff Davis <pHlow>On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:57:17 -0400, William VanLoo <wdvanloo@sigma6.com> said: >> And even
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On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:57:17 -0400, William VanLoo <wdvanloo@sigma6.com> said:
quoted 6 lines And even stranger, consider that 4AD put out a Kristin Hersh cover>> And even stranger, consider that 4AD put out a Kristin Hersh cover >> of this as well, on the Ghost EP (her Mike Stipe collab). > >Still stranger is the fact that Mu-ziq sampled Hersh's "your ghost" for the >sublime track "Phiesope" (from the In Pine Effect album). >
as a throwing muses fan from the beginning (86?), when i first heard phiesope it brough back a wicked neck tickling deja vu. adds a delicious melodic "will you dance with me?" depth to paradinas' already nice track. i'm sure we can get this thing back to kevin bacon if we take it a couple of steps further. np: lexaunculpt live peeeeeeeece, -- Jeff Davis pHlow@earthlink.net fn:216.533.6303 fx:216.266.2310 text:2165336303@mobile.att.net pHlow.linx: home.earthlink.net/~phlow/ Bochum Welt: www.bochumwelt.com Rotator Locator: hyperreal.org/music/rotator/