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quoted 3 lines if you listen to the Futurists

>>>if you listen to the Futurists > I haven't. I've only read their literature. Thanks for the > recommendation.

Whoops! When I said something like the above, I wasn't being sarcastic. I've seriously read Marinetti and Luigi Russolo but never heard Futurist music. I'm just getting started in avant garde music and am always receptive to recommendations for recordings. Which reminds me, I've never heard any John Cage either. Isn't it strange, I'm talking about music I've never heard? I guess that's because John Cage to me is more of a musical philosopher than a musician. I like to think I can understand quite a bit about his music without ever hearing it. But if anyone knows any good Cage recordings I should get into, let me know. BTW, Russolo's "Futurist Manifesto" is well worth reading if you're into experimental music. And just to be consistent with the Subject line, here's a couple of my favorite quotes from relevant sources: Marinetti: "Glorify war, the only cleanser of the world." Rakim: "As heavy as hip hop gets, I'm always ready to drop it." Thankyou. kevin mr.

Kevin M Ryan wrote:

quoted 4 lines I've seriously read Marinetti and

> I've seriously read Marinetti and > Luigi Russolo but never heard Futurist music. I'm just > getting started in avant garde music and am always > receptive to recommendations for recordings.

Edgar Varese is really the most talented composer attached to that school. A 2CD set of his complete works came out on London/Decca recently. You've gotta hear this piece "Deserts" which includes a tape part. It's sooo noisy.

quoted 2 lines I guess that's because John Cage to me is more of a

> I guess that's because John Cage to me is more of a > musical philosopher than a musician.

Italian composer Berio made a revealing comment about Cage when he said that even though Cage doesn't like to put intent into his pieces they still sound like Cage.

quoted 1 line Marinetti: "Glorify war, the only cleanser of the world."

> Marinetti: "Glorify war, the only cleanser of the world."

You've gotta be careful with the Futurists. They tended to be fascists, chauvinists, xenophobes, etc.. Andrei

"R. Lim" wrote:

quoted 9 lines On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Drusca wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Drusca wrote: > > > Edgar Varese is really the most talented composer attached to that > > school. > > A 2CD set of his complete works came out on London/Decca recently. > > You've gotta hear this piece "Deserts" which includes a tape part. It's > > sooo noisy. > > What school?

Futurism. He distanced himself from the Futurists after Marinetti made some ridiculous statements, but he was associated with them for a while. I mean "Ionisation" is a perfect example of that stuff.

quoted 2 lines I heard that many of the re-recordings on that set were a

> I heard that many of the re-recordings on that set were a > drag, but... more importantly, how is the unearthed "Ameriques"?

I actually haven't heard the set. I have the recording of "Deserts" on Attacca done by the ASKO Ensemble who also appear on the London set. I read some good reviews of the set on London.

quoted 2 lines -ps- didn't Varese use some ondes martinots (a _really_ primitive

> -ps- didn't Varese use some ondes martinots (a _really_ primitive > electronic synth)

Don't know to be honest. Messiaen used the ondes martenot in "Turangalila-Symphonie" which he composed in the late 40's. Andrei