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quoted 4 lines Lexus thug mainstream. For one thing, you need to check your local >scene --

>Lexus thug mainstream. For one thing, you need to check your local >scene -- >nearly everywhere has some locals struggling to make a splash, and in >my >opinion Hip Hop is like beer -- there's no substitute for drinking a >local >brew while it's fresh; fuck the packaging.

ya, maybe i don't have to check the local scene. i'm stuck with Choclair, Kaos, Kardinal Offishall (sp?), etc.. weak, weak shit.

quoted 3 lines Check, if you're interested:

>Check, if you're interested: >Dr. Dooom -- Kool Keith reinvents himself again with a funny, profane >The Roots -- The Roots ALWAYS deliver, straight up. ?uestlove's live

both were discussed in the original message in this thread. as for the dr.dooom: i'd hate to have to suffer through an intrumental version. as far as i can tell, it's over in england that the hiphop sounds the freshest (by both definitions). as for their neighbours the french, unfortuantely i can't get past how silly rapping sounds en français. tomas

quoted 2 lines freshest (by both definitions). as for their neighbours the french,

> freshest (by both definitions). as for their neighbours the french, > unfortuantely i can't get past how silly rapping sounds en fran?ais.

I caught this weird french gansta-rap music video/movie thing on the International channel a few weeks ago. I don't know what it was called or how to get ahold of it. I was supprised how well the rhythm of the french rap fit with what was basically standard hip-hop beats. Of course, I haven't the faintest idea of what they were rapping about, but hell... I kinda dug it. -Ma'er...

La Cliqua are pretty dope (and don't sound like beret-wearing tossers) but I've only heard one song (which is on the import edition of the 'La Haine' soundtrack) and I've never been able to find anything else :/ It sounds pretty hardcore, but I have no idea what it's about (probably shopping for berets with Bill Laswell, or something) .Bil. IAMaCOPIER

quoted 4 lines as far as i can tell, it's over in england that the hiphop sounds the

> as far as i can tell, it's over in england that the hiphop sounds the > freshest (by both definitions). as for their neighbours the french, > unfortuantely i can't get past how silly rapping sounds en fran?ais. >

I'm really curious about something. How prevalent is hip-hop, American or otherwise, in England's various pop music outlets (MTV, radio, concerts, etc)? In America it's become the pop music that dominates all others, except among a certain cross-section of teenagers who like their teenybopper pop. But it's certainly more popular than most crappy alt-rock. IMO that's a great thing, because no matter how bad pop hip-hop gets, at least you can dance to it, whereas with 3rd Eye Blind, there's no recourse except hiding in a corner. I ask because it seems like British hip-hop will never get to be amazing unless it acquires a mass popularity there. I mean, an artist here or there, sure. But the reason for US hip-hop's continual self- renewal is that it has so many fans, and thus so many creators. Same way with techno in the UK--our scene will never be great until techno becomes the music of choice from cradle to grave for a large percentage of Americans. It's a matter of exposure, I'd think. Submersion in a certain genre leads to a deeper understanding of the genre's possibilities, and a greater mastery of its vocabulary. So what Brit rappers are genuinely good, and not just novelty items? Lewis parker... Who else? Sam PS--if I sent you a copy of my paper, I'd appreciate any response/comments. Criticize the fuck out of it if you want, but I'd like to know what youi thought, even if only briefly.

quoted 3 lines alt-rock. IMO that's a great thing, because no matter how bad pop hip-hop

> alt-rock. IMO that's a great thing, because no matter how bad pop hip-hop > gets, at least you can dance to it, whereas with 3rd Eye Blind, there's no > recourse except hiding in a corner.

here in canada, alt-rock is much more prevalent than hiphop. thank god. i'm much rather listen to Weezer or Pearl Jam than Mace or TLC. i don't want no "i don't want no scrubs". > I ask because it seems like British hip-hop will never get to be

quoted 2 lines amazing unless it acquires a mass popularity there. I mean, an artist

> amazing unless it acquires a mass popularity there. I mean, an artist > here

this comment is ridiculous! stylistically, nothing requires mass popularity to be amazing. you obviously need to look deeper to realize that all "amazing" genres exist despite and before mass popularity. maybe you were introduced to techno/IDM by the chemical brothers or prodigy.

quoted 2 lines or there, sure. But the reason for US hip-hop's continual self- renewal

> or there, sure. But the reason for US hip-hop's continual self- renewal > is that it has so many fans, and thus so many creators. Same way with

it is becuase of this that hiphop and techno is so trite and watered down. tomas

quoted 9 lines I ask because it seems like British hip-hop will never get to be

> > I ask because it seems like British hip-hop will never get to be > > amazing unless it acquires a mass popularity there. I mean, an artist > > here > > this comment is ridiculous! stylistically, nothing requires mass > popularity to be amazing. you obviously need to look deeper to realize > that all "amazing" genres exist despite and before mass popularity. > maybe you were introduced to techno/IDM by the chemical brothers or > prodigy.

Popularity is relative. Maybe you were introduced to techno by "On" and "Supremacy II" about 6 or 7 years ago. BUT EVERYBODY'S HEARD OF APHEX TWIN. Walk down the street, talk to 10 people. See how many know who he is. Pick non-music people who're your friends. If you haven't played Aphex for them, have they heard of him? In this microcosm, it's only too easy to say "liking Chemical Brothers or Prodigy = bad". But some of us DID start out that way, thanks. We might even still like the Chems (Prodigy had their day though). Hell, if I admitted that the first techno song I heard and actually paid any attention to was when I was like 14 and was "No Limits" by 2 Unlimited I'd imagine I'd get laughed off the list. But hey, before that, I had no idea there was anything like that out there, and it was just on the radio as we were driving to Austin.

jeezus...Mace and TLC dont represent hip-hop....theyre r'n'b acts... and british hip-hop is amazing....funky DL, Blak Twang...and some other names i dont know coz i forget to ask all represent the u.k. i dont think that british hip-hop will ever be that well known stateside because of the saturation of rap acts in the u.s. alt rock = m.o.r. for 'disaffected' youth Tomas Jirku wrote:

quoted 25 lines alt-rock. IMO that's a great thing, because no matter how bad pop hip-hop

> > alt-rock. IMO that's a great thing, because no matter how bad pop hip-hop > > gets, at least you can dance to it, whereas with 3rd Eye Blind, there's no > > recourse except hiding in a corner. > > here in canada, alt-rock is much more prevalent than hiphop. thank god. > i'm much rather listen to Weezer or Pearl Jam than Mace or TLC. i don't > want no "i don't want no scrubs". > > > I ask because it seems like British hip-hop will never get to be > > amazing unless it acquires a mass popularity there. I mean, an artist > > here > > this comment is ridiculous! stylistically, nothing requires mass > popularity to be amazing. you obviously need to look deeper to realize > that all "amazing" genres exist despite and before mass popularity. > maybe you were introduced to techno/IDM by the chemical brothers or > prodigy. > > > or there, sure. But the reason for US hip-hop's continual self- renewal > > is that it has so many fans, and thus so many creators. Same way with > > it is becuase of this that hiphop and techno is so trite and watered > down. > > tomas

martin wood wrote:

quoted 3 lines jeezus...Mace and TLC dont represent hip-hop....theyre r'n'b acts...

> > jeezus...Mace and TLC dont represent hip-hop....theyre r'n'b acts... > and british hip-hop is amazing....funky DL, Blak Twang...and some other names i

were're talkng popular hiphop here and the point is: one reason (most) hiphop is so god-awful is that the line between r&b and rap has been taken away. puff-daddy and his boys represent the current state of popular hiphop. and then there's the no-limit allstars. oh boy. tomas

At 11:45 AM 5/27/99 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines puff-daddy and his boys represent the current state of

>puff-daddy and his boys represent the current state of >popular hiphop. >and then there's the no-limit allstars. oh boy.

just to clairfy. contarary to what most would like to belive, the past eight months have been the absolute best time in hip pop in a long while. Have you heard from puffy? (except for a little 'shout the chorus' bit on Nas' "hate me now") And now that he's off to prision (probably), i doubt you'll hear much more. Mase? His shitty harlem world side project bombed, and now he's retired. No Limit hasn't had a genuine hit since 'make 'em say unngh'. As far as i'm concerned, DMX/Ruff Ryders is the only wack shit still around. (Jay-Z & Roc-A-Fella are bearable lyrically, IMHO. Check Jay-Z's "Dead Presidents" LP if you don't belive me.) lauren hill, the roots, and outkast all had HUGE hits, all while keeping their integrity and without corny ass pop beats. even Prince Paul, Brand Nubian, Cool Breeze, and Blackstar had mild hits. and for what it's worth, Rawkus' soundboming II comp debuted at #30 on billboard last week i'm telling you wack hip hop will die in the near future.