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http://www.hyperreal.org/music/machines/Analogue-Heaven/ go here and search the mail archives....its even got the friendly search option for subject headers.... At 10:11 PM 10/14/98 -0400, Rjyan C Kidwell wrote:

quoted 14 lines Any of you folks out there that make the IDM have opinions on this Access

>Any of you folks out there that make the IDM have opinions on this Access >Virus machine, particularly in comparison with the Nord 2? Too much of >the information on the web is authored by folks biased to certain genres, >and they don't go to too much trouble to tell you what their genre is. >So I thought I'd pose the question on the list. > >rjck./_ >mailto:cardhore@juno > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >

Any of you folks out there that make the IDM have opinions on this Access Virus machine, particularly in comparison with the Nord 2? Too much of the information on the web is authored by folks biased to certain genres, and they don't go to too much trouble to tell you what their genre is. So I thought I'd pose the question on the list. rjck./_ mailto:cardhore@juno ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

this is a question for the list: music-bar@teklab.com I believe that people on this list have both these pices of gear. I know the owner of the list has the Virus, and he loves it... peace Nate On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Rjyan C Kidwell wrote:

quoted 14 lines Any of you folks out there that make the IDM have opinions on this Access

> Any of you folks out there that make the IDM have opinions on this Access > Virus machine, particularly in comparison with the Nord 2? Too much of > the information on the web is authored by folks biased to certain genres, > and they don't go to too much trouble to tell you what their genre is. > So I thought I'd pose the question on the list. > > rjck./_ > mailto:cardhore@juno > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >

On 10/14/98 22:11:24 you wrote:

quoted 6 lines Any of you folks out there that make the IDM have opinions on this Access

> >Any of you folks out there that make the IDM have opinions on this Access >Virus machine, particularly in comparison with the Nord 2? Too much of >the information on the web is authored by folks biased to certain genres, >and they don't go to too much trouble to tell you what their genre is. >So I thought I'd pose the question on the list.

after screwing wit them both in stores, i'd say that the nord lead 2 impressed me much more than the virus...i can't exactly pinpoint what it was i disliked about the virus, but the nord lead sounded much nicer to me...very smooth and clean. (although the virus is pretty smooth too) neither does a great job of analog emulation imo...both sound very obviously digital to me. that blue novation box (supernova?) sounded much more convincingly analog to me...it'd be a great synth for doing generic techno...one good point about the virus is that you can run external signals through its filter...and one bad point about the nord lead is that everyone and their cat who is making idm has one or is about to get one. it's just too fucking nice not to want, if you're into its clean plasticky pseudo-analog sounds...in terms of value, i think they're about equal...each has a few nice things that the other doesn't; you should find a place that's got them both and screw with them side by side. .. "a dream is worth a thousand pictures, the mouths of lampreys a thousand more..."

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 thatcat@ix.netcom.com wrote:

quoted 8 lines On 10/14/98 22:11:24 you wrote:

> On 10/14/98 22:11:24 you wrote: > > > >Any of you folks out there that make the IDM have opinions on this Access > >Virus machine, particularly in comparison with the Nord 2? > > that blue novation box (supernova?) sounded much more convincingly analog > to me...it'd be a great synth for doing generic techno...one good point > about the virus is that you can run external signals through its filter...

All of the new boxes are just fine, but in my opinion the whole retro-analog thing is just about played out. The fact that there is enough of a market for 'new analogues' and 'virtual analogues' indicates to me that the wannabe market is coming into play -- there aren't enough real musicians out there to support the R&D, manufacturing and marketing of a new synth like the JP8000 or the Nord Lead 2, so they're designed to appeal to amateurs with disposable income. If you want analogue sounds, look around for an old analogue. A jupiter6 for 700 dollars is a lot more machine than a JP8000 at twice the price. You have to put some effort into locating instruments, but you can get the real deal for less than the tacky imitation.

While I agree with Kent to some extent, I will say that this crop of virtual analogs has an appeal (besides sound-wise) in the sense that they offer a lot more options than their older genuine counterparts: more polyphony, more mutlitimbrality, more outputs, and sometime even built in effects. Yes indeed the OG machines will win out soundwise in the end (but have you heard the Supernova yet?), but there's still the cost of effects boxes, needing more than one synth because the analog one you have only sends/receives on 1 MIDI channel, etc... just another opinion... peace Nate On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Chaircrusher wrote:

quoted 14 lines All of the new boxes are just fine, but in my opinion the whole retro-analog

> All of the new boxes are just fine, but in my opinion the whole retro-analog > thing is just about played out. The fact that there is enough of a market > for 'new analogues' and 'virtual analogues' indicates to me that the > wannabe market is coming into play -- there aren't enough real musicians > out there to support the R&D, manufacturing and marketing of a new synth > like the JP8000 or the Nord Lead 2, so they're designed to appeal to > amateurs with disposable income. > > If you want analogue sounds, look around for an old analogue. A jupiter6 > for 700 dollars is a lot more machine than a JP8000 at twice the price. > You have to put some effort into locating instruments, but you can get > the real deal for less than the tacky imitation. > >

At 09:05 AM 10/16/98 -0500, Chaircrusher wrote:

quoted 6 lines On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 thatcat@ix.netcom.com wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 thatcat@ix.netcom.com wrote: > >> On 10/14/98 22:11:24 you wrote: >> > >> >Any of you folks out there that make the IDM have opinions on this Access >> >Virus machine, particularly in comparison with the Nord 2?

quoted 2 lines All of the new boxes are just fine, but in my opinion the whole retro-analog

>All of the new boxes are just fine, but in my opinion the whole retro-analog >thing is just about played out.

heh..yeah till they start with some prices ...that make more sense...midi is nice...and a reason why alot by these...but then you can pick up midi/cv converters for around a c note or two.... but then there are the few out there with some uniqe ideas of this new 'craze' such as the synth below based on the old c64 chip... http://www.sidstation.com and for those that want a bang for the buck ...and real analog...and midi. AND audio ins for filtering...AND AND..heh..a nice little x0x style sequencer ala all the pricey roland boxes.. http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/FutureRetro/ its looks like the real deal....and all that i have read that have picked up one as of late...have been satisfied..i think skylab 2000 helped a bit in the production and ideas... The fact that there is enough of a market

quoted 6 lines for 'new analogues' and 'virtual analogues' indicates to me that the

>for 'new analogues' and 'virtual analogues' indicates to me that the >wannabe market is coming into play -- there aren't enough real musicians >out there to support the R&D, manufacturing and marketing of a new synth >like the JP8000 or the Nord Lead 2, so they're designed to appeal to >amateurs with disposable income. >

not ....really...not so much disagreeing as much as i agree with the disposable income theory..it makes no fucking sense the cost of these analog model synths..

quoted 4 lines You have to put some effort into locating instruments, but you can get

>You have to put some effort into locating instruments, but you can get >the real deal for less than the tacky imitation. > >

....yep..... the truth... oh and btw...anyone know of anyone wanting to rid themselves of that horrid box the r8....heh... -g