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2000-03-28 03:14Gareth Metford (idm) mo' 2-step
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2000-03-30 23:16Gareth Metford RE: (idm) mo' 2-step
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2000-03-28 03:14Gareth Metford> allegedly confused > American house-ster Todd Edwards 'invented' speed garage, > right?
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quoted 3 lines allegedly confused> allegedly confused > American house-ster Todd Edwards 'invented' speed garage, > right? How confusing.
'Allegedly confused' - I don't know what it means but it sounds good! :-) Todd Edwards is actually really great, apart from when he sings. His bass sounds are the fattest (phattest?) and what he does with chopped-up (or minced, even) samples is just breathtaking.
quoted 5 lines Anyway, quite related to this is the fact that your> Anyway, quite related to this is the fact that your > friend and mine Vim! has been kidnapped by evil No'Mo' > minions and forced to do a stoopid idm cut-up of 'two-step' > Artful Dodger tune - 'Rewind'. It appears to have metamorphed > into Vim! vs. Awful Dodgy - "Rehash" :)
I know this track was probably done as a joke, but quite seriously I thought it was great, and it's just the sort of thing I'd love to have on this compilation I'm planning.
quoted 5 lines i always saw two-step> i always saw two-step > as the whole armani-suit 'sarf' london well-dressed > (over-dressed?) champagne ritzy club thang, rather > than any big underground experience. or is two-step > and speed garage not the same thing?
quoted 4 lines So presumably what your saying is that 2-step IS a cultural force?> So presumably what your saying is that 2-step IS a cultural force? > Yer avin a barf aintcha? So going to a nightclub in yer beamer dressed > in moschino, ordering champagne and partaking of a few lines of the > white stuff is doing something that is a 'cultural force'?
Well, I think there's more to it than that. But this whole business of the champagne-swilling 2-step lifestyle *is* a tricky one, no doubt. There's a theory of 'oppositional hyper-capitalism' which holds that oppressed groups fight back against capitalism by parodying it, hyping it up to the nth degree, making it ridiculous. According to this theory, all those magnums of champers and salt-cellars of coke are consumed for no other reason than to produce a gruesome caricature of the supposedly exclusive pleasures of the rich. I'm not sure I buy this idea, though - although there's definitely irony in there somewhere, it's certainly not the sole purpose of the exercise. Perhaps we should see it as a reaction to the anhedoniac, puritan rigour of post-techstep d&b - introducing a certain opulence, a certain glamour to hardcore clubbing (even if it inevitably fades in the morning, when you have to go back to your mum and dad's house where of course you still live).
quoted 6 lines I listen to the pirates every weekend and don't hear any musical> I listen to the pirates every weekend and don't hear any musical > techniques that haven't been employed by d&b producers. In fact, speed > garage was more adventurous on this score because the extreme > syncopation that characterised a lot of the genre appears to have > mainly disappeared from the 2-step scene. > Please put me right and name some if you think I'm incorrect.
It *was* drum & bass that pioneered all those techniques, but pre-'95. After '95 the programming started getting simpler and more rigid, it lost that freshness and sense of joy that it had had originally (perfectly understandable really - when you start getting 64th note filtered snare rushes on deodorant adverts it's bound to make you want to stop doing them). What's happening with 2-step is not a return to the good old days when people like T Power were really pushing the envelope of one type of ultra-complex programming - instead a different kind of complexity is being generated. It's to do with 'swing', for want of a better word. 2-step producers use all of the resolution their sequencers provide in order to shift their beats around by small amounts relative to one another. This results in rhythm tracks which are extraordinarily nuanced, and which have a kind of organic quality absent from most electronic dance music. It always reminds me of the rustling of leaves...that sort of quiet, but infinitely detailed rubbing and shaking and shivering which sounds unmistakably 'natural' to us. Listen to Dem 2's remix of US Alliance's 'All I Know' on my garage samples page (http://www.geocities.com/qubit_records), or Steve Gurley's version of Antonio's 'Hyperfunk'. Steve Gurley used to be in Foul Play, by the way.
quoted 3 lines ...a 'phase change' in> >...a 'phase change' in > > methodology analogous to the changing of state in heated liquids > > (i.e. when they turn to gas).
quoted 2 lines Lets face it, this is the sort of over-analysing bollocks that helped> Lets face it, this is the sort of over-analysing bollocks that helped > to destroy d&b - lets not do it to 2-step as well.
I'm not sure it was the analysis that destroyed d&b, although I admit my 'scientific' metaphor could have been better chosen. IMHO, it was over-exposure that killed d&b, and while analytical music criticism might have been a part of this, it wasn't a hugely significant part compared to the mountains of arse-licking grot churned out by rags like Mixmag. You might even say it was under-analysis that killed it, as a refusal to seriously consider content is essential for the capitalist hype-machine to function. -- Gareth Metford (Nonlinear / Qubit Records) Email: gmetford@qubit.demon.co.uk Nonlinear website: http://www.qubit.demon.co.uk/nonlinear --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-03-28 16:02Kent williamsSome of the attributions in this post are missing an author. My apologies. Sometimes I fee
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Some of the attributions in this post are missing an author. My apologies. Sometimes I feel like John Barth with this stuff. When he was in Iowa City He had cards with quotation marks and parantheses that he held up to help us keep track of how his discource nested ... Thanks to Gareth for a very substantive reply, almost all of which I deleted. If you blew by his post go back and have a look. On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Gareth Metford wrote:
quoted 14 lines i always saw two-step> > > i always saw two-step > > as the whole armani-suit 'sarf' london well-dressed > > (over-dressed?) champagne ritzy club thang, rather > > than any big underground experience. or is two-step > > and speed garage not the same thing? > > > So presumably what your saying is that 2-step IS a cultural force? > > Yer avin a barf aintcha? So going to a nightclub in yer beamer dressed > > in moschino, ordering champagne and partaking of a few lines of the > > white stuff is doing something that is a 'cultural force'? > > Well, I think there's more to it than that. But this whole business of the > champagne-swilling 2-step lifestyle *is* a tricky one, no doubt.
Not to speak for a bunch of people I've never met and probably never will meet, but ... I can't imagine that its any different than any young urban minority who have by their efforts have achieved some success. The way you show your success is by it's material fruits, so you dress up nice, tip big, and buy the best beverages. When you're just one generation away from poverty, material success is always a cause for celebration. It just happens that in the UK, underground garage has sprung up and reflects that celebration. In fact the producers arise from the same situation -- they're the first generation who could afford to own professional recording equipment, and work things out for themselves. Where I'm from I've been at parties for a group known as the Black Graduate Professionals, and they're all about dressing sharp and listening to R&B-influenced hip hop. It's about Juvenile and D"Angelo instead of 2-step, but it's the same thing: People in a certain position in life looking for music that speaks to their condition. So how can it not be a cultural force? You don't have to listen to it if you don't like it, but don't dismiss it as trivial. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-03-28 14:24drift wood--- Gareth Metford <gmetford@qubit.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > Anyway, quite related to this i
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--- Gareth Metford <gmetford@qubit.demon.co.uk> wrote:
quoted 10 lines Anyway, quite related to this is the fact that your> > Anyway, quite related to this is the fact that your > > friend and mine Vim! has been kidnapped by evil No'Mo' > > minions and forced to do a stoopid idm cut-up of 'two-step' > > Artful Dodger tune - 'Rewind'. It appears to have metamorphed > > into Vim! vs. Awful Dodgy - "Rehash" :) > > I know this track was probably done as a joke, but quite seriously I > thought it was great, and it's just the sort of thing I'd love to > have on > this compilation I'm planning.
I remember asking this question on here last year if anyone had come up with any IDM versions of the 2-step sound yet. After all Aphex Twin and his cohorts came up with the interesting dead end of Drill'n'bass as their reaction to listening to the dominant sound of the airwaves at that time which was Drum'n'bass. Now that 2-step rules the ether around London, I've been waiting for it's influence to reach the sounds discussed by this list.
quoted 15 lines But this whole business> But this whole business > of the > champagne-swilling 2-step lifestyle *is* a tricky one, no doubt. > There's a > theory of 'oppositional hyper-capitalism' which holds that oppressed > groups > fight back against capitalism by parodying it, hyping it up to the > nth > degree, making it ridiculous. According to this theory, all those > magnums > of champers and salt-cellars of coke are consumed for no other reason > than > to produce a gruesome caricature of the supposedly exclusive > pleasures of > the rich. I'm not sure I buy this idea, though -
I dunno - there are parallels - see the sapeurs movement in Zaire (and Paris) in the early 80's - when followers of Papa Wemba dressed in expensive clothes as a reaction to a restrictive govt. (see http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/way/kbl69/)
quoted 14 lines It's to do with 'swing', for want of a better word. 2-step> >It's to do with 'swing', for want of a better word. 2-step > producers use all of the resolution their sequencers provide in order > to > shift their beats around by small amounts relative to one another. > This > results in rhythm tracks which are extraordinarily nuanced, and which > have > a kind of organic quality absent from most electronic dance music. It > > always reminds me of the rustling of leaves...that sort of quiet, but > > infinitely detailed rubbing and shaking and shivering which sounds > unmistakably 'natural' to us.
Don't you just mean that they are messing around with the quantise functions in Cubase a bit more than other electronic musics have? Matt. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-03-30 23:16Gareth MetfordKent- > Not to speak for a bunch of people I've never met and probably never > will meet,
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quoted 17 lines Not to speak for a bunch of people I've never met and probably never> Not to speak for a bunch of people I've never met and probably never > will meet, but ... > > I can't imagine that its any different than any young urban minority > who have by their efforts have achieved some success. The way you > show your success is by it's material fruits, so you dress up nice, > tip big, and buy the best beverages. When you're just one generation > away from poverty, material success is always a cause for celebration. > > It just happens that in the UK, underground garage has sprung up > and reflects that celebration. In fact the producers arise from the > same situation -- they're the first generation who could afford to > own professional recording equipment, and work things out for > themselves. > > Where I'm from I've been at parties for a group known as the Black > Graduate Professionals, and they're all about dressing sharp and
listening
quoted 3 lines to R&B-influenced hip hop. It's about Juvenile and D"Angelo instead> to R&B-influenced hip hop. It's about Juvenile and D"Angelo instead > of 2-step, but it's the same thing: People in a certain position in life > looking for music that speaks to their condition.
One of the reasons that I find this explanation hard to accept derives from the way that I see 2-step: not so much as a distinct genre of music, like techno or IDM, but as the latest 'host' of what I call the 'rave virus', a moment in a longer-lasting subcultural event. The people who are going to 2-step events are exactly the same people (often *literally* the same people) who, ten years ago, were standing in muddy fields with whistles round their necks and dummies in their mouths shouting 'mental, mental'. Or, five years ago, were wearing crisp combats and box-fresh Nikes, nodding along to hardstep jungle at nights like AWOL. Why is it, then, that now in particular they have decided upon this one particular way of expressing themselves, which previously had been of no use to them? In my view it has more to do with the internal dynamics of the rave scene - particularly the need that the 2-step crowd has to distance itself as much as possible from the pleasure-free astringencies of 'scientific' drum & bass - than the deliberate flaunting of newly-won wealth. After all, although many of these people may well be substantially better off than they were when breakbeat hardcore was in the ascendant, simply by virtue of being that much older, my impression is that this is still not a scene dominated by graduates, professionals or other people whom we might expect to be high-earners. It's a working class scene, as it always has been. In a sense, then, what they're doing is acting out a fantasy of wealthiness and success - roleplaying, if you like - rather than expressing the actuality of success. I wonder whether there's actually a measure of ironic self-knowledge in this, a sense in which it's not simply a parody of wealth and sophistication, but that it's a caricatire of what newly wealthy members of subaltern groups are *meant* to do? Like Chris Eubank, the black boxer who lives in a country house, wears Union Jack cufflinks and has a chauffeur-driven Rolls Royce. He clearly recognises the element of ridiculousness to his behaviour, hence the current advert for Nescafe in which he drinks a cup of coffee with his little finger extended, 'Asterix in Britain'-style. Similarly, in the case of 2-step, there's a sense of deliberate grotesquerie, of gleeful crassness to the frantic consumption of champagne, the readiness with which brand names are flaunted (as in the trend for wearing Moschino shirts with the label hanging out). This would fit in well with the theory of 'oppositional hyper-capitalism' - that this is a bitter, spiteful satire on both the rich and successful, and the assumptions of the upper and middle classes that the working classes, given access to money, will behave in a particular way.
quoted 16 lines It's to do with 'swing', for want of a better word. 2-step> >It's to do with 'swing', for want of a better word. 2-step > > producers use all of the resolution their sequencers provide in order > > to > > shift their beats around by small amounts relative to one another. > > This > > results in rhythm tracks which are extraordinarily nuanced, and which > > have > > a kind of organic quality absent from most electronic dance music. It > > > > always reminds me of the rustling of leaves...that sort of quiet, but > > > > infinitely detailed rubbing and shaking and shivering which sounds > > unmistakably 'natural' to us. > > Don't you just mean that they are messing around with the quantise > functions in Cubase a bit more than other electronic musics have?
Possibly! :-) But, in my own productions, I've found that actually shifting the beats around 'by hand' gives more control. Gareth -- Gareth Metford (Nonlinear / Qubit Records) Email: gmetford@qubit.demon.co.uk Nonlinear website: http://www.qubit.demon.co.uk/nonlinear